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General Sex Work Posts Moved from Sugar Daddy Thread: refer to new Sex Work thread for continuing discussion

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I'm dumb as rocks but I could find someone I was living with on the street with pretty quick

I mean, you know their favorite sleeping spots, drinking friends, dealers. I'm surprised anyone with two feet couldn't find him.

But court scares everyone aye

lmao and then what? Hire a process server and tell him the cross-streets? Convince the cops to ride around the hood with you, then jump out of the car with them and point him out? That's going to work out real well. Who the fuck involves cops/the legal system in shit when they're living that lifestyle anyway?

Also.. dude.. I wasn't fucking living with these guys. I don't think it was ever another homeless person who did this. I mean, there are definitely risks from other homeless people, mainly theft. But all the guys who ever propositioned me, they weren't homeless. Most I didn't even know their first name (and when I did who knows if it's even real), and none I knew their full name.
 
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Like you have either the cash or ass to participate.

That said, when I was running around flush with cash I absolutely had this relationship with a few women. Neither of us harbored any illusions. Nonetheless, I wouldn't consider these to be different in any real sense from my interactions with professional prostitutes (I look on both as wrong actions of my past that I regret) as it's still a form of prostitution and prostitution is never merely ...

...since while, by definition, prostitution, being a form of commercial transaction, is mutually "beneficial" to two parties*, it is also inherently harmful to, and incompatible with the human dignity of, one of them. Arguably to both of them, in fact, as being the more active participant (which would include men who pay prostitutes to take a dominant role, the financial situation means they're "topping from the bottom" regardless of what the sexual activity is) is harmed as
 
age is a stupid concept in sexual relationships?
He did not mean chickenhawks or underage prostitution/transactional sex, etc. I know it's an icky subject, and illegal. I do not condone it at all; but I know people who did it either out of survival when they were homeless, or because of sexual abuse and they thought that there was nothing wrong with it and that it is not sexual abuse.
 
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Also.. dude.. I wasn't fucking living with these guys. I don't think it was ever another homeless person who did this. I mean, there are definitely risks from other homeless people, mainly theft. But all the guys who ever propositioned me, they weren't homeless. Most I didn't even know their first name, and none I knew their full name.
Yeah, this sounds like a typical situation. When I knew a lot of street people the women (and I'm sure it's the same for men who give off the vibe as being gay or at least homosexually available) were being constantly propositioned. Didn't even matter what they looked (or smelled) like, and a particularly attractive one, it would be just incessant and terrible. This also attracts specifically men who are going to get off on a certain kind of power dynamic, so I'd imagine that going with one of them if solicited is one of the most dangerous forms of prostitution, even more than overt street-walking.
 
Yeah, this sounds like a typical situation. When I knew a lot of street people the women were being constantly propositioned. Didn't even matter what they looked (or smelled) like. This also attracts specifically men who are going to get off on a certain kind of power dynamic, so I'd imagine that going with one of them if solicited is one of the most dangerous forms of prostitution, even more than overt street-walking.

Exactly.

If you're homeless, and female, it's gonna happen. Guys do it specifically because they get off on that specific power differential.

And yes, it's crazy risky, you know it and you only do it cause of how desperate you are.
 
No offense, but there's not a chance in hell that i'd fuck a homeless bird, nevermind pay for the privilege.

Some blokes are fuckin sick..
 
Ive sold myself 3 times for my drugs in my life. It may not have been exactly the the thing I wanted to do with my life.. And I also was propositioned by the person I did this with after the fact of meeting up the first time. It wasnt planned. Absolutey I did feel like shit after doing it. However, I was never threatened and whatever pressure I did feel was not to any level I couldnt have just said no. I succumbed to addiction myself. This was the first time anyway. Ive been in a similar situation.

I still 100% taking ownership of what I did though. Feeling pressured by being propositoned, even if it was a second time, and being forced into sexual acts are two totally different things. I can say this definitively too because I have also been in situations where Ive flat out been raped. Both as a child and and as an adult.

Being raped, and making a decision to cave, consent, and also follow through when youre not being forced to whatsoever because youre not feeling very well in are both traumatizing, theres a reason why a leading facility here for addictons and mental health automatically puts you through sexual trauma counseling if theyve found out youve been in sex work, but only one is actual rape. Just my two cents.

Im not going to dscount hiw horrible it feels and even helpless it feels in that position. Hardly anyone loves what they do in sex work. Its not a good situation, at all. I wont cheapen the word rape either though. Actual rape is far, far more life destroying because you dont get to cave because you feel pressured but still have an option, there is no pressure. There is no option. You are fucked no matter what. There is no choice. It has nothing to do with feeling particulatly shitty that day, its happening regardless of anything except that persons pleasure.
 
No offense, but there's not a chance in hell that i'd fuck a homeless bird, nevermind pay for the privilege.

Some blokes are fuckin sick..
I read how in the 1970s Carole King had sex with some homeless guy, I wonder if he made the Earth move for her? I know that the elderly Edmund White would pick up street hustlers and still pays guys to dominate and degrade him-he likes young adult Eastern European twinks.

Halston the super wealthy designer would leave 54 super drunk, on ludes and coked up, and pick up homeless bisexual and gay men who were prostituting themselves in well known areas for this in NYC. Robert Mapplethorpe did this with bisexual and gay black men in a bar for black men in NYC by offering them coke and he said in 1980 he had BLACK FEVER where he was only sexually attracted to black men who he lured with cocaine and the bodybuilder Lisa Lyons who he used lots of PCP with. Robert Mapplethorpe was once a male hustler when he was at Pratt as a student right before or when he was still with Patti Smith as her boyfriend.

Calvin Klein would pick up street hustlers, or like Halston he would call up a male escort service. A friend that once many decades ago very briefly had an agency in NYC, and who had done sex for pay via massage and fisting as a top said how clients and he loved CK as CK would call up for a male escort, and most of the time by the time the escort arrived CK would be passed out from downers, or booze and have the money sitting out so the escort would just take the money and leave without even ever having to have sex at all.

If anyone here knows who David Wojnarowicz was, he was once a male prostitute when he ran away from an abusive home, and later in life as an adult in the 1970s he would pick up adult men who were street hustlers.

I know other well known bisexual and gay writers who were once male prostitutes. I am not going to tell who they are-although some are super open about their past like Jean Genet and John Rechy were. I have met lots of bisexual and gay men who when offered money for sex took it as they needed it or figured, 'This super wealthy guy is offering me money I would be a fool not to take it.'

Former male model Brad Gooch has probably picked up hustlers for his domination/cleaning sex kink much like the scene with Udo Kier in my own private Idaho; but he got to fuck and get fucked by Matt Dillon, and probably DG as well so I hope it was worth it?

DG would pick up guys I guess via a service? Or ones who did porn that would escort on the side like Joey Stefano, and Keanu was kept as well.

There's also a super well known body builder who was an escort in the 1970s or very early 1980s. A bisexual friend of mine met him at a men's sauna/baths in NYC when he was just starting out, they went back to the fitness model's place, were jerking off together when they kept getting interrupted by clients calling the central European body builder to book appointments. My friend did not have to pay anything.

Madonna would pick up hustling young Puerto Rican guys either on the street, or as dancers at the Gaiety and have sex with them; but from what a friend tells me ALL of the male strippers at the Gaiety could be had for a price.

If you ever watched the very old films Alexander the other side of Dawn, and the first film Dawn portrait of a teenage runaway they are all about prostitution.


I know people who were homeless at one time and they resorted to prostitution or having sex with people who picked them up so they would get shelter, food, a shower, clothes, etc.
 
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Ive sold myself 3 times for my drugs in my life. It may not have been exactly the the thing I wanted to do with my life.. And I also was propositioned by the person I did this with after the fact of meeting up the first time. It wasnt planned. Absolutey I did feel like shit after doing it. However, I was never threatened and whatever pressure I did feel was not to any level I couldnt have just said no. I succumbed to addiction myself. This was the first time anyway. Ive been in a similar situation.

I still 100% taking ownership of what I did though. Feeling pressured by being propositoned, even if it was a second time, and being forced into sexual acts are two totally different things. I can say this definitively too because I have also been in situations where Ive flat out been raped. Both as a child and and as an adult.

Being raped, and making a decision to cave, consent, and also follow through when youre not being forced to whatsoever because youre not feeling very well in are both traumatizing, theres a reason why a leading facility here for addictons and mental health automatically puts you through sexual trauma counseling if theyve found out youve been in sex work, but only one is actual rape. Just my two cents.

Im not going to dscount hiw horrible it feels and even helpless it feels in that position. Hardly anyone loves what they do in sex work. Its not a good situation, at all. I wont cheapen the word rape either though. Actual rape is far, far more life destroying because you dont get to cave because you feel pressured but still have an option, there is no pressure. There is no option. You are fucked no matter what. There is no choice. It has nothing to do with feeling particulatly shitty that day, its happening regardless of anything except that persons pleasure.

Noones asking that it be labeled rape. What I've said this entire time is that it's exploitation and not a truly free choice.

It's choice made under duress. Like quid pro quo sexual harassment for instance (actually far worse since there's even less capacity to stop it). Duress is not the absence of consent, but it's not exactly free consent either is it.
 
Noones asking that it be labeled rape. What I've said this entire time is that it's exploitation and not a truly free choice.

It's choice made under duress. Like quid pro quo sexual harassment for instance (actually far worse since there's even less capacity to stop it). Duress is not the absence of consent, but it's not exactly free consent either is it.
People make decisions they regret all the time. What you went through is horrible but I know actual rape victims dont get to have this grey zone using words like duress loosely to fit things like being asked more than once while theres still a clear choice. I wasnt asked, I had no choice. You could have said no. I couldnt. Both experiences are traumatic, only one wasnt consensual. Theres no questioning it on my end. I will not discount what you went through because especially because Ive been through that too and I know how that feels, but Im not going to make a mockery of people who couldnt or didnt consent and were forced into something because I have an addiction and didnt make my best decision. I made a decision, people who didnt consent (as in were raped) had no choice.
 
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