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General Sex Work Posts Moved from Sugar Daddy Thread: refer to new Sex Work thread for continuing discussion

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Yes, I've experienced significant opioid withdrawal many times. But I've never been homeless at any time, nevermind winter. But I'm lucky that in the UK we can get free methadone pretty fuckin easily so don't have to resort to other measures. However, many people still do sink as low as they can go, but again, that is their choice.

Soo, you've never been homeless. So I'm right your experience is actually somewhat limited in this regard.

Methadone is not gonna solve your problem straight away. You'll prolly be sick at least a few days if you do that.
Are you saying that's just what you'd have done? Have you experienced being in withdrawal while outdoors when it's 34f/1cish??
 
Exactly would you have done in my position
From what you've told us here, if I was you and I genuinely believed I had been raped I would have taken him to court over it.

I wouldn't be on a forum dancing around the word "rape" using words like "non consensual sex".
 
Soo, you've never been homeless. So I'm right your experience is actually somewhat limited in this regard.

Methadone is not gonna solve your problem straight away. You'll prolly be sick at least a few days if you do that.
Are you saying that's just what you'd have done? Have you experienced being in withdrawal while outdoors when it's 34f/1cish??

Touche Jess. Your experience is far more important than mine.
 
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From what you've told us here, if I was you and I genuinely believed I had been raped I would have taken him to court over it.

I wouldn't be on a forum dancing around the word "rape" using words like "non consensual sex".

How da fuck am I supposed to take some guy I met on the street to court? Exactly how am I supposed to have done that exactly?

Besides, as this thread has made abundantly clear. A lot of men make endless excuses and defenses for rapists and exploiters. There's a reason people don't go to the cops.
 
I'm confused Jess. Do you think there exists women who are in perfect control of their minds and bodies who choose to trade sex for money (and they're happy with it), or do you think all women are to some degree victims in the exchange?
 
How da fuck am I supposed to take some guy I met on the street to court? Exactly how am I supposed to have done that exactly?
People here may know a lot about drugs and shit but, I've realized, few BLers are actually streetwise in any significant way.
Besides, as this thread has made abundantly clear. A lot of men make endless excuses and defenses for rapists and exploiters. There's a reason people don't go to the cops.
I'd be curious of your opinion re: my post above, goes to what mal just asked too.
 
I'm confused Jess. Do you think there exists women who are in perfect control of their minds and bodies who choose to trade sex for money (and they're happy with it), or do you think all women are to some degree victims in the exchange?

I figure there have to be women who genuinely and of complete consent are involved in prostitution. I don't know exactly how high I believe the proportion is though, and I think the proportion is pretty much zero in the specific type of prostitution I was talking about today.
 
To be fair; this thread is about sugar babies and sugar daddies - a mutually beneficial arrangement between predatory males and greedy females.

You Jess, brought up prostitution, exploitation and statutory rape...
 
People here may know a lot about drugs and shit but, I've realized, few BLers are actually streetwise in any significant way.

To clarify are you referring to me or wolf?
 
To clarify are you referring to me or wolf?
Definitely not you. In that he seemed to think you could take some random guy off the street to court, much less be taken seriously there as a junkie semi-prostitute.
 
Definitely not you. In that he seemed to think you could take some random guy off the street to court, much less be taken seriously there as a junkie semi-prostitute.

I thought so but I'm in an adversarial frame of mind I guess so I wasn't sure.

Sorry I didn't read your initial post. I mean I started skimming it, but I felt like I wasn't awake enough to properly digest it right now
 
This is so damn obvious I can’t believe no-one thought of it before. It would solve problems for so many people here.

But then again around here one person’s happiness is very likely another person’s tramua.

I know, we’ll let @PriestTheyCalledHim watch every single sexual interaction under this plan to make sure it’s all kosher. And that’s his needs sorted too!
 
To be fair; this thread is about sugar babies and sugar daddies - a mutually beneficial arrangement between predatory males and greedy females.

You Jess, brought up prostitution, exploitation and statutory rape...

Was I off topic in bringing up prostitution and exploitation in a subject about men engaged in sexual relationships with younger women where they pay them?
 
I'm dumb as rocks but I could find someone I was living with on the street with pretty quick

I mean, you know their favorite sleeping spots, drinking friends, dealers. I'm surprised anyone with two feet couldn't find him.

But court scares everyone aye
 
I don't have deviant sexual needs. I have drug needs.

I just want someone to pay for my heroin habit plus expenses and any related legal fees for the rest of my life while asking nothing in return. Is that so much to ask? :)

Or an infinite heroin machine. Keep the money, just gimmie an infinite heroin machine :D.
Are you in the UK? Don't certain cities have a programme like this with the NHS?
 
I'm dumb as rocks but I could find someone I was living with on the street with pretty quick
lmao and then what? Hire a process server and tell him the cross-streets? Convince the cops to ride around the hood with you, then jump out of the car with them and point him out? That's going to work out real well. Who the fuck involves cops/the legal system in shit when they're living that lifestyle anyway?
 
Id call that dubious too. Especially if the elder woman is financially supporting the younger guy.
I know someone who was in a 'relationship' like this he is bisexual and had a Colombian sugar mama that would help him pay for dope/heroin, and crack and give him a place to stay when he was homeless. Either he, or her adult daughter, or they both seduced each other. When the daughter found out he had once been sleeping with her mother and kept by her she became super angry, started stalking him and mailing him letters with razor blades in them.

He told me all about going to areas in NYC that were only places people went to buy drugs in the 1980s and 1990s and how he saw Richard Hell there buying dope, he went up and said, "Hey I go to your shows and love your music man!" and Richard Hell told him to fuck off. He also saw Jim Carroll there, but Catholic boy Jim Carroll was never sober even if he would claim he was since the early 1970s.
 
These apps are often touted as being an avenue for women to explore their sexuality and use it in a manner that benefits them. This is, and this should be needless to say, problematic. The underlying dynamic is exploitative even when the women involved are in denial about it. The worst part of it is that this is sort of thing, broadly speaking, is advanced as a women's lib type thing. Prostitution isn't feminist, it's profoundly anti-feminist. The former is a view that's been advanced in many "third wave feminist" circles. There's even a nauseatingly cute acronym, "SWERF," analogous to the currently-trendy snarl word "TERF," with the "SW" being, of course, "sex worker." (This of course leads to corny jokes about "surf and turf.")

The 60s-70s sexual revolution, with it's emphasis on freer attitudes towards sex, was actually, and it's descendants remain today, rather anti-woman in a number of ways. A lot of the "free love" stuff is actually about free access to women for men and less about any type of liberation. Same with the prostitution stuff, and that even speaking as someone who in other times of my life used to use the services of prostitutes on a fairly regular basis. I found situations where the woman in question was obviously being trafficked or exploited very distasteful, and preferred to go to providers who appeared to be more "independent" and who were doing it as a "career," because they wanted to, etc. Most of the time this probably wasn't actually true. None of these women were, you might say, right in the head, well adjusted, or in ideal situations in their lives that caused them to resort to prostitution, and this includes the ones that seemed the "coolest" and "freest."

"Sugar babies" are no different at all. They may think they are, because they only have one or a very few clients; they may tell themselves they are, because it seems more dignified, but this very fact betrays the truth that prostitution is utterly un-dignified, that it is incompatible with the human dignity of the woman (or man for that matter) doing it. People may tell themselves differently whatever form of the business they are in. They may even honestly believe differently. That doesn't make them right. "Sugar babies" may not be being exploited by a pimp (although the sites do skim a bit off the top of their earnings, as I understand it) but the dynamic between them and their customers ("sugar daddies") is still exploitative, as is the relationship between a prostitute and a john even in the absence of a pimp.

The situation with pornographic performers of various stripes is essentially the same.

Ok I read it properly now. I'll probably get off for a while after this since I'm getting a bit too tired to make arguments very well (it's like 5am here lol).

Yes, I am generally in agreement with almost all of this.

I have no doubt that out there are women who are honestly doing prostitution of their truly free choice. There's a LOT of women in the world, and there pretty much has to be some that just see it as a good way to make money and are able to do it without it messing them up.

But, I have never really believed that it's a majority. And I don't believe the 'It's just another job' arguments. It's not. Verrrry few people can actually trade their body for money without it messing them up at least to some degree, and even fewer still can do it for any length of time.

Some people honestly think they can.... in all honesty I don't think I really fully appreciated how much it would affect me until after I did it. When you so baddly feel like you need the money, it's very easy to start telling yourself justifications (on top of the justifications the guys are feeding you that is).

That's why you end up doing things you swore you wouldn't. It's not just the guys trying to talk you into it, you're trying to talk yourself into it. You need your shot, you can't afford to be sick all night and then somehow try and make money the next day. You have a way out.... it's just sex.... if I did it I could have my shot and just go to sleep.

But, for the majority of people I think, it is a big deal, it's not like another form of work. It can have a significant and negative impact on how you think about yourself.
 
The app sound cool tho
Like you have either the cash or ass to participate.

That said, when I was running around flush with cash I absolutely had this relationship with a few women. Neither of us harbored any illusions. Nonetheless, I wouldn't consider these to be different in any real sense from my interactions with professional prostitutes (I look on both as wrong actions of my past that I regret) as it's still a form of prostitution and prostitution is never merely ...
...a mutually beneficial arrangement....
...since while, by definition, prostitution, being a form of commercial transaction, is mutually "beneficial" to two parties*, it is also inherently harmful to, and incompatible with the human dignity of, one of them. Arguably to both of them, in fact, as being the more active participant (which would include men who pay prostitutes to take a dominant role, the financial situation means they're "topping from the bottom" regardless of what the sexual activity is) is harmed as well in terms of degrading their view of sex and their sexuality as well. It will also often harm the client's partners. Many young women coming of age in these times can attest to this in terms of being pressured to do degrading things by their porn-sick partners. But certainly, one of the participants is being harmed and degraded more, and more directly, than the other. Sometimes overtly, sometimes not, but always and invariably.

*one of which may be an exploitative pimp, madam, or trafficker, but let's confine this discussion to situations that don't involve these sorts of individuals.
 
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