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I don't see why you couldn't get addicted to GHB. If you take a sedative drug constantly your body will get used to that, to say nothing of the mental addiction.
CafeContin said:I don't see why you couldn't get addicted to GHB. If you take a sedative drug constantly your body will get used to that, to say nothing of the mental addiction.
raybeez said:While the CERI institute once had one of the best collections of articles/research/faqs on GHB on the internet, the site has not been updated since 1997.
As GHB usage has become more abundant, many of the initial thoughts on the drug (i.e. it is non-addictive) have been disproven. I know people (including myself) who have required hospitalization to treat withdrawal symptoms from consuming pure NaGHB powder (re: NO GBL).
Don't trust anecdotal evidence from someone like myself? Then do some time and some real research, looking at peer-reviewed publications/scientific studies, and don't base your facts on a website that hasn't been updated in almost 10 years.
I'll even make it easy for you. Why don't you start by looking here, here, here, here, or here.
Are you going to accuse these research studies of being "gov media propaganda bullshit links"? Why don't you read this page on Erowid which links to some of the above studies. Please don't tell me you're going to accuse Erowid of being government propaganda?
Getting back to the original poster's question (with some relevance to this discussion as well), GHB Withdrawal does NOT occur at therapeutic doses (i.e. once/night in the treatment of sleep disorders). This is why GHB is available by Rx under the trade name "Xyrem".
ttocs said:raybeez, also my point was that GBL and GHB are not the same thing. I don't give a fuck when people make the arguement that GBL is converted with stomach acid into GHB. GBL is still a toxic solvent and when injesting GBL in the conversion process in your system, it is highly toxic and dangerous and this is where most hospitalizations occur, and then doctors blaim it all on GHB. With GBL it is EXTREMELY hard to get your dosage correct.
Once again, your .gov media propaganda bullshit links. Anything to do with .gov is usually a lot of media bullshit, so that link is totally inaccurate which you just provided.
1: Psychopharmacology (Berl). 2005 May;179(3):678-87. Epub 2005 Jan 12.
Department of Psychiatry and Behavioral Sciences, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, Baltimore, MD, USA. [email protected]
Boy, you sure don't listen do you? Fucking asshole. I posted the link about ten times. http://www.ceri.com/feature.htm
It's people like you in this world that cause accidents and overdoses. Fucking asshole.
Someone needs to ban this prick right away.
ttocs said:Pure GHB is not addictive for fuck sake.
ttocs said:When converted by a proper chemist into GHB with no traces of GBL left in the product, the withdrawals are much less harsh
hungryghostredman said:on whether or not GHB/GBL are addictive I can only speak from my own experience, having been addicted to heroin on off for five years (cleanish for the past year) and alcohol most of my adult life, I recently discovered GBL and GHB. At first I took GBL about 2 mls every few hours 24/7 for two weeks before making GHB and then caned about 150g of NaGHB over a weekend. When I ran out without tapering off I was fucking sick: my heart beating too fast and I was talking to myself and basically going a bit OCD. It was on a par with opiate withdrawel except only lasted a day or two. However since then I've only used GHB (for periods of a week or two). All day every day. and ive found that as long as you don't increase the dose (ie to more than 2 or 3 g each time) and make sure you taper off a bit at the end the withdrawals are minimal. I mean if I drank whiskey every 4 hours day and night for a week the withdrawal would be much worse. I find if I take too much GHB i get stinging eyes and a salty taste in my mouth (presumably from the sodium) whereas after too much GBL i started too feel as if i was sucking a 9 volt battery. Either way I've drunk so much alcohol for so long that its starting to make me proper sick after even a small amount, and so GHB is by far the lesser of two evils. From what I've heard in the media i had the impression that it was very easy to kill yourself with GHB mixed with other depressants; but me and my brother have experimented pretty recklessly with it and all that happens is you go unconcious for 3 or 4 hours and have some really vivid and interesting dreams! Its a lovely drug IMHO!
1ml gbl=1.4 gms ghbsnowshovel said:In theory then, if you slowly sipped a glass of GBL and juice over, say, 30/45 minutes, would that be a good approximation to a dose of GHB?
This isn't what I meant, I was asking if you could get closer to GHB's absorption rate by drinking a dose of GBL slowly over a period of time.deeperSense said:1ml gbl=1.4 gms ghb
Many people report increased side effects from GBL compared to GHB due to its faster absorption rate. There's people out there who are devoted to GHB but think GBL is pure concentrated evil. Search the forums, there are dozens of threads on this.deeperSense said:if gbl is the precursor to ghb ,why then do you have to add a highly toxic chemical sodium hydroxide to it,cos when ingestion gbl the body will on its own convert the gbl to ghb!!