Yeah, pigs are awesome. I meant: pigs are at least as smart as dogs (for all we know). Pretty sure they taste better though. If dogs tasted as good as pigs, we'd eat them too.
I'm curious about dog meat honestly. I don't think I could ever eat it because I've allowed myself to get too attached to them emotionally, but I'm curious. I really want to eat scorpions for some reason. Whenever I see them on a stick in an Asian documentary I just start salivating. Insects are underrated. I will eat them again one day.
Hakuna Matata
To a lesser extent than our British friend, I am somewhat sceptical about how intelligence (and sentience) is measured.
@AutoTripper
Do you believe roses suffer?
Hi. Thanks for your answer last night I appreciated again your ability to take up the genuine serious slack to every point I was making while also responding with the same level of warm humour are I myself to make my points.
No to Roses. Not entirely. I don't know. I have considered this before obviously through the spring onions feel pain and suffer being pulled out the ground and chopped up?
I hope not that's as far as I will really think that because it starts to get ridiculous post that point we might as well or just stay dead still and decompose.
It's a matter of not justifying unnecessary infliction of psychological and physical harm abuse kidnap or even murder upon anything living and conscious where we have not got evidence there is no suffering pain or trauma as a result of our I'm justified or unnecessary actions.
I have thought about this very deeply for many decades I stopped going fishing that day when I was 17 and are used to love going fishing I'm not judging people who do I'm just expressing things from my own passionate angle with a very humane view again I eat fish and meat I would fish for food for survival and well-being but I would never catch a fish for fun sake alone again because that to me is not justified in my own mind and because I feel that way it is wrong, to me for me.
I also do believe in Karma like if you basically cause substantial suffering and pain even if it's through a lack of awareness or appreciation but in this case it's largely a degree of ignorance for many people as well supported by a government who warrants licenses for such unnecessary violent and obscene atrocities.
So even if I did not accept or understand that I am causing the 2 lb British Chub I just hooked on a barbless hook (Barbed hooks were outlawed legally in United Kingdom in the early 90s I think so they will still kicking around like the original white doves still in the late 90s...) floating a tasty piece of french bread atop the stream...is actually having experientially a traumatic scared out it's skin time, physical pain, draining all it's vitality too, just to take photos, kiss it (they do that English anglers (lol, yoda again)) and release it again.
"There you go girl" they say with Cheshire pride.
"What a beauty".
There is just no consideration for the fishes actual potential in my own mind indisputable suffering. Which is imperceptible this would not be the case if we were chucking a hook into the tree with a hazelnut and catching a squirrel because it would be so obvious the thing was feeling pain and distress.
It is the fact that the fish cannot express its feelings or fear or suffering to us which makes it so convenient.
I wasn't actually trying to directly compare fish to ants it's just that this is where the line of philosophy is my own life really stemmed from in 1997 and how it influenced me to consider this from a wider moral ethical practical and legal angle.
One point you made I didn't elaborate on it last night I knew I was leaving things out but I'll add this context and you'll see what I mean here.
When I said about the hamburger over the back fence for the Rottweiler I wasn't talking about my neighbour who legally owns his dog this was many decades ago growing up in the 1980s for example when gardens were not so secluded and behind our back garden was an allotment area and around our estate it was very commonplace for stray dogs and cats to be wandering around all over the place and many dogs to have escaped their homes Rottweilers were abound so were Royal Dobermans.
I used Rottweiler because personally would rather unhook one of those I'm not going near a Doberman with a treble hook and its mouth after it nearly reached the top of the road but my line and arm was daddy that day after a long "fight" which I "won".
I was referring in a very theoretical manner because your point is correct and I recognise that there would be immediate legal ramifications and prohibitions to fishing for pet dogs but I'm envisaging some sort of loophole or alternative societal arrangement or moral code.
But for the sake of this example without going into that the principle still stands from a moral ethical and spiritual angle. I was referring only to the license allowing you to fish for loose and stray and accompanied by an owner or maybe some sort of visible identification on the colour or somewhere on the animal to say this animal is not yours to catch today pick another...
Not my neighbour's dog in it's own back garden. That would be wrong and my neighbour would have been pissed too. A loose unbranded animal. Legal game if,y license is paid.
Except again outside of the obvious legal obstacles the animal's suffering is so plain to see and hear and feel and it's too dangerous for the doggerman as well.
Hunting this is not. That is a different matter foxhunting does come into this argument because that has been under the spotlights and was kind of bannd in the United Kingdom but I think there is some sort of greyness to that band and it's still going on to a degree (?)
Big game hunting like lions and tigers or whatever isn't protected or shooting pigeons or Grouse or other types of hunting by speer or arrow or gun, Is a very different matter I don't feel any of that should be legal unless food is the purpose, personally. I don't justify killing for no good cause.
If you were to take a bow and arrow and shoot the squirrel in the tree that would be almost more humane than 25 times in its own lifetime it accidentally takes a cleverly buried hook in a nut one day and is once again wrenched out of the tree kicking and screaming with its mouth bleeding.
Or...."Did you get your license renewal yet Tom?
-Yes mate I just got it yesterday.
-Oh nice one when will you be going out?
-I already did mate I took the truck out last night I caught myself or 4 lb Joey on the way back in on the fingi in the end I wasn't getting any bites off the grass for some reason
-Ah nice mate did it put up a good fight?
-Nah not really it just cried like a baby."
I know I shouldn't say these things because I think I was starting to repair a little bit of the damage and now it's possible people will think I'm fork raving mad but I standby everything I said last night and today here now maybe I'm not expressing it the best but this is based on long calculated deep philosophical and spiritual thinking and consideration over life.
Because this to me is the reality of the matter I'm using extreme examples which theoretically could be realities except my point again it just would be considered a step too far and unnecessary cruelty and it wouldn't be fun for most people who aren't actually axe murderers and power freaks. Aka Your average course Angler.
Insects is again a different matter within this and I've not really considered it deeply because I don't know I never harm any living creature for the sake of it I don't kill for no good cause except I do kill mosquitoes not for fun or anger but because they do spread disease and they do torment me falling asleep at night they are just trying to feed but I'm just trying to sleep and ideally not be infected for a second time one day by mosquito bite with Borrelia. Possiblity. Plus I reckon mosquitoes will definitely be spreading Covid around they must be.
And black flies can be extremely annoying things and struggle to find a way out of an open window with all the time and encouragement and at times they have irritated me so much trying to get them out of the kitchen making such aggressive noise and movements that I have swiped them with a dog towel but not proudly.
@birdup that's good too you felt better and more functional at work already from reducing weed.
Keep going. Too much of a good thing at times too, a portion can be better than none. Maybe some room for moderate or intermittent use.
I'm so sleep depped. I struggle to keep my thread. Very stoned too. I would be in bed basically but I just can't really get comfortable to sleep. So I'm trying to get comfortable anyway and sleep is not really being considered.
Plans needed. I just ran out of thought there and this is a subject I have thought about a lot and I don't feel like I've finished any thing I started like last night.
