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EADD Heroin Discussion v. XXII -- Brucey Bonus Beetles all round!

as he said he already suffered from 'loads of weirdo illnesses' (bless him) so I don't think the pills did to much further damage that nature seemed to have done already. I can't deny that they would not of helped though.
 
I used to love methadone myself - but it WILL turn you into a zombie mate. Be careful...

Never really 'got' folks who loved methadone as a ' enjoyable' drug experience. I reckon in 25 years I've met 3 or 4 people who used it as their drug of choice.

For me, methadones sole use is to stop me clucking/ withdrawing from gear. Being on a meth script' doesn't stop my cravings but it stops you from doing desperate things to get money.
 
Never really 'got' folks who loved methadone as a ' enjoyable' drug experience. I reckon in 25 years I've met 3 or 4 people who used it as their drug of choice.

For me, methadones sole use is to stop me clucking/ withdrawing from gear. Being on a meth script' doesn't stop my cravings but it stops you from doing desperate things to get money.

Exactly how it is for me, dont feel a fucking thing even if i drink 200 odd but still crave like a bitch on it, pretty useles IME except for keeping well
 
I tried to hold off taking anything today as I got high last night. Brought some gear out to my dads fathers day meal out just in case things went real south. Brought foil (pre-cut/prepped into tooter), lighter and gear so thought I was set. Went into the toilet after ordering as the temperature in the place was making me sweat buckets and people were commenting that I was going pale and shit. So excused myself to the bathroom. Lighter not working, shit!

So in my desperation I snorted a small sized line (not a massive pile, but a little bit more than when I've had super strong SEA number 4 in the past). I wasn't expecting much as I thought UK freebase was meant to haev an absolutely appauling bioavailability. But fuck me I got pretty blissed out. Like it actually worked really really well.

I'm normally into smoking my gear, hence why I usually buy no 3 even though I buy my gear on DNM so often have the option. I do also like the smoother, more extended high of snorting too though, and if I'd known number 3 could be snorted with similar efficiacy as number 4 I would have been switching it up a lot more. Or combining ROAs (obviously you'd have to be really careful with the dosages); as I fin they both have advantages and benefits of their own. Hell I would probably say fuck it and try it right now if it wasn't for the fact that I have no working lighters for the third time in a few weeks, goddamn I need to start buying more than 2 or 3 at a time.

It might also be a better idea to snort my gear when I do feel the need to use while tapering, due to the longer duration?

Or perhaps I'm wrong, and placebo effect or sheer relief from withdrawal made the amount taken seem more effective per dose than it really was? That would surprise me as I'm still feeling a bit itchy and noddy hours on.

Anyone know how the bioavailability of snorted number 3 and number 4 relate?
 
Yeah you can snort #3 effectively, lots of ppl say it doesn't work but after trying it myself I can confirm it does, I just prefer to smoke it :)

Speaking of which - I have just received a package of some amazing #3, labtested as 78% pure and fuck me it's strong!!!

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Ah cheers for clearing that up BCF. I'm more into smoking too but probably wont feel the need to carry some folded up squares of foils/straws/lighters into public bathrooms again, which is definately a good thing.

Your sxc dope porn has no effect on me....... :p
 
Haha yeah mate, I actually enjoy having the odd sneaky smoke when I'm out n about, I will often have a prepared square of foil with a beetle melted onto it and a unrolled foil tooter in my wallet, perfect when at the pub, a nice little smoke after a few pints really is nice :D

Hahaha mate this dope is fantastic, I have prob smoked bout 0.1/0.15, just weighed it and have a little over a gram left so the vendor was very generous with his deal!

I think today will be spent watching game of thrones (first time watching it, I'm quite enjoying it tbh!) drinking cups of tea and chasing beetles up n down sheets of foil :p

Perfect way to spend a monday =D
 
Aww dude I got my Dad the first season of Game of Thrones for fathers day yesterday, so that pretty much what I was doing haha. I'm all up to date with it, but it is a great rewatch too. Sounds like a perfect Monday fo sure, enjoy mate :)
 
a guy with the name 'glitched' who used to post here used to snort it and said he was always happy with using that way,despite what Blondin might have to say on the matter
He is no longer using(Glitched,not Blondin)AFAIK.
 
Been a naughty boy and got some beautiful afghan #3 Its way stronger than what is available locally, beautiful stuff :) I know this is going to put me into wds and fuck my tolerance, but right now I dont care I just want to get high :p
 
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Went to the doctors today and they insisted on me going BACK on the fentanyl to do a proper taper even though I've been off for over 10 days and suffered wicked withdrawl.

I can see the logic as I'm really struggling through a few things at the minute and a protracted withdrawl isnt doing me any good (although I haven't actually got round to cashing the script for the couple of boxes of fent patches yet.....will sleep on it and decide in the morning).

Fentanyl really is a hell of a drug. Tollerance shoots up so fucking fast that it takes you by surprise and the "high" isnt really all that pleasant so it's not even like it's worth it......

The really scary thing though is the way respiratory depression seems to set in before you actually feel anything from the drug itself (laboured breathing and resps falling below the 10/minute mark which is approaching dangerous territory). If you chose to ignore this, redosed and then fell asleep it's easy to see why fentanyl causes so many fatalities.

One of the few opiates where I think I'd say that even heroin is probably safer. Still doesn't stop fentanyl from having some wierd mystique surrounding it and some folk mistakenly thinking of it as some holy grail of opiates (which it so isn't BTW)....
 
FFS G about getting back on fent to do a taper after 10 days. I know you're more informed than me in this area, but surely that is just going to cause more overall sufferring in the long run. Maybe at least give it a bit longer to see if your lingering symptoms really are going to be protracted or if they're going to clear up sooner than you'd expect. Of course, you (and your doc) know what's the best thing to do here, but you said yourself you hate doing long tapers, and after the methadone withdrawals last year it seems like you are simply spending far too much of your time in withdrawals. You are obviously a tough guy and much more capable of handling your situation than many others would be, but I just can't imagine spending so much time withdrawing from opioids as being conductive to a positive state of mind. That said, if this will lead to better wellbeing in the future for yourself, I guess you should go for it.

As for fentanyl being the 'holy grain' of opioids.... naw. I have only done 3 of the fent analogues, not "cool original" but I think I have a fair idea of what they're about. I've also never used time release patches... mostly large doses vaped on foil for me. Because of the potency, they can (butyr in particular) give a real nice "rush" onset effect, as you can take your whole dose in one lungfull. Thus, I guess it is probably as close to IV opioids as I'll get without crossing that line (I don't plan to btw...). In terms of analgesia, when dosed like this is pretty intense. It also gives a strong "opioid-like" sensation, but what it provides quantatively it lacks qualitatively.... Just doesn't have that groovy feel good antidepressant effect of heroin. Nevertheless, if I had both sitting in front of me and I had to choose, it wouldn't necessarily be an obvious choice. If I'm craving intensity, the fent (analogue) takes the cake. Not sure how much all this translates to fent patches.

Just uner one week since I received my gear in the mail, I'm now polishing it off. I probably don't need anymore tonight but kind of want to go out with style. Plus its the referendum so, you know... Managed to achieve a lot of things this last week I wouldn't have otherwise if I'd been in withdrawal. Back to the DHC tomorrow, then quite possibly back to the heroin again soon after as I only have about 16 30mg pills. Everyting is all resting on something that will happen Monday now, if things go the way I hope they do then I will have to remain fnctional for quite a few weeks to come tbh. If things don't go the way I want on Monday, then I guess I can just quick taper and detox with the DHC and be done with it. IF I can convince myself to get clean..... not gonna lie, opiates have really got their hook in me at present :S
 
That's ridiculous, G. Surely if extended w/d are a problem it would make far more sense to put you on a milder opi given you're well past the hardcore w/d stage at this point. Could you not ask them to switch the new fent script for maybe DHC? Seems a far more sensible - and proportionate - option. Plus it is at least mildly recreational (I totally agree that fent is shite recreationally - particularly when the extra risk factors compared with less potent opies are taken into account).
 
I think it's about time that GPs were knocked off their pedestals, evicted from their ivory towers, and given a good dose of real life, as opposed to their upper middle class, preconceived misperceptions of the rest of us oiks...
 
I think it's about time that GPs were knocked off their pedestals, evicted from their ivory towers, and given a good dose of real life, as opposed to their upper middle class, preconceived misperceptions of the rest of us oiks...
We would give you an ivory tower but you would just shove it up your arse and where would be then?
 
Oxynorm:


Does anyone know anything about Oxynorm? All I know about it is that it's a trade name for Oxycodone.

Is it better than Morphine Sulphate? I don't use Facebook very often but I went on today and had a friend request from a guy I don't know but is a mutual friend of two of my friends (both of which are opiate users). On his page he posted the most jailbaitest thing I've seen on Facebook. He posted a picture of his fairly substantial pill collection. In the picture was DHC, Oxynorm, Valium, Zopiclone and Xanax. A message with the picture said PM me if you are interested in any of them. If the Valium were legit rather than those shitty NTZ things I wouldn't mind a few.

The Oxynorm were 5mg but I don't know if that strength would be any use. I have plenty MST stashed by for emergencies but wouldn't mind snapping up some Oxy if it's worth buying. I've never seen Oxycodone before, AFAIK they are hard to come by here.

I've done my back in and went to the doctor recently, she prescribed me exercises, paracetamol and ibuprofen. I told her not to bother with the pain killer since I have plenty of those (and way better) at home. It's a bit shitty that you have to turn to the streets to get a decent painkiller. Having Heroin addiction and a previous Meth' script on my record probably doesn't help. God forbid someone in pain might actually enjoy their medication.
 
Oxynorm are IR Oxycodone capsules. I have never seen 5mg Oxynorm as here in Australia the 5mg IR Oxycodone is called Endone but a quick search on the net show they do make them. I have only seen the 10mg and 20mg capsules here. I have a stash of both for whenever my back goes as i have no problems getting them prescribed as i have no drug history on my medical records and mri's etc showing my back injury. It only flares up once a blue moon but when it does i need those strong painkillers.

Personally i wouldn't be buying drugs off a dude posting Facebook pictures like that though..
 
5mg is a low dose of Oxycodone so if you have any kind of tolerance you would need to buy more than one or two. I personally without a tolerance dont get recreational effects till i go over 20mg..usually 30mg
 
No, oxynorm aren't better than morphine sulfate (IMO that is)

I am prescribed both. However oxy has a far higher ORAL bioavailability than does morphine. Morphine by mouth is a shitty route and is mostly wasted. Up the arse if you don't bang it.
Oxy at least for me has fuck all rush when injected IV. Morphine has a fantastic one.

BigG-my god damn your docs are bloody stunted pack of fuckmuppets mate. Fentanyls produce a profound tachyphylaxis-this is a rapidly induced, relatively shorterm if not continuing use, but very very profound tolerance. Not like regular tolerance induction, it shoots up and climbs down relatively quickly if you are not habituated to fentanyl or its analogs or other drugs inducing tachyphylaxis to opioids. This does not include other opioids which just have the regular flavour'ed, bad ol' opioid tolerance we know and cuntingly despise like a kid given a frozen dog mess candybar.

But do point out to your docs the fact of fent and tachyphylaxis, its well known for it and indeed probably infamous amongst many. Stupid, stupid stupid to expect anyone to taper. Probably don't tell them the stupid bit, or call them the bunch of stunted bell ends that they actually are. Or to drink bleach and do a wanker dance. But by all means, don't forget that they are indeed idiots and need to do the wanker dance whilst wearing a big wanker's costume and holding a sign saying 'spare some change for the demagogic compulsive masturbator'
 
Just while were on the subject here's a warning - when I was at my DSP a couple of days ago the walls were plastered by posters warning about a batch of heroin (no physical description was provided) currently being sold around the central Staffordshire / North Midlands area which was stated as...

'causing users veins to rupture / collapse immediately upon IV administration'

How the fuck do you you work that one out until the damage is already irreversible? God knows, but as usual, be careful, always test the strength of any new 'heroin' you source by smoking a little before you attempt an IV, and all I can say in this particular case, if you live in the area possibly affected by this stuff, don't attempt to crank any until you have watched your PIC take a shot to see if his elbow explodes.
 
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