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Does meth really make you ugly?

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I don't know the stats for other countries, but roughly 1 - 1.5% of the Australian population uses meth more frequently than monthly.

There's just not that many people walking around who "look like" meth users. The idea of "what a meth user looks like" seems to be a very American idea.
The whole 'faces of meth' and 'not even once' meth education programs here in the United States, Lindsey Lohan, and that tweaker stripper on the drug rehab documentary show 'Intervention' are probably what you mean, or that is what a lot of people think your average meth user looks like or will look like eventually if they keep using the drug.

When I lived in a large city with lots of meth you could tell who the hardcover addicts of it were since they were usually men who looked a lot older than they were and if they smoked it or injected it they usually were missing all or most of their teeth, some got paranoid or nervous, they would have difficulty holding a conversation or did not make sense when they talked, and were quick to get angry over nothing.

However I have also met a lot of younger people who unless they told you how they use meth you would have no idea they used it, or did use it at times or in the past. The same goes for people I know who are or were into other drugs like coke, crack, dope and other opiates.

I never used it since very low doses of dexedrine I took for ADD gave me side effects most people get at a more moderate or high dose.
 
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I think if you shoot it all bets are off. I have had a few side effects I am not pleased with. Some of the way your body releases meth is through the pores. When the pores struggle to open and expel the poison they can get infected a bit. I have had a few of those on my back. I read every book about meth I can find so I know what the hell is going on when something arises.

I take back what I said earlier about not knowing anyone that looks that bad as those mug shots they post. Street prostitutes look like that, a lot of 'em. Being homeless, addicted, and prostituting takes away everything a female human being has. The only way you can sink any lower is being on death row. And the two are equatable in my mind: YOU ARE DYING. When you are addicted, homeless, and a prostitute you are busy killing yourself. When you are on death row society has deemed you acceptable for extermination i.e. to be killed.

Those girls that ended up on the street, I wonder where they came from. Does anybody love them? What happened? Frontline I think it was, profiled three women that were murdered in Las Vegas and their bodies dumped in the same spot. They all had lives much like most of us, boyfriends, husbands, children, parents. The pictures shown of these woman at an earlier time, they looked like most of us do. Regular people. They still had hope in their eyes. Then they got hooked. Then they ended up on the streets behind their habits. Then, tortured, raped, and murdered, the final insult.

Sorry, got off track. I do not think that method of administration matters much with meth. It is poison, and what goes in must come out. I do think that me smoking a $20 bag (two tenths of a gram) over two or three days (and sleeping 10-12 hours in between) is a bit different than fixing up the whole $20 at one time and slamming it. The rush must be orgasmic. But because the amount used is so much larger the side effects must be more pronounced e.g. the picking of the skin, the paranoia, not eating or sleeping, weight loss, etc.
I feel very bad for anyone women, men, etc. who is forced into prostitution, and yes it is extremely dangerous.

I know people who would mainly use meth on weekends but then sometimes they would binge on it for days or a week until they ran out and crashed from lack of sleep but they took the drug orally, snorted it, or smoked it but still showered, brushed their teeth, did get rest when they came down, and forced themselves to eat. The people I have known who IV/slam it tended to stay awake for long periods of time, and the drug took priority over sleep, food, and pretty much everything else.
 
When I was a methamphetamine user (of all types of administration), I maintained good hygiene, and the only teeth I've lost were due to impacted wisdom teeth, genetics... Everyone is different, and statistically, I guess, I was of a low percentage of chronic users who still compulsively took care of their bodies. Lack of sleep, nutrition, and personal hygiene are the main reasons stimulant abuse leads to physical deterioration. And to respond to another theme of the thread: Let's face it: we live in a world full of so much that conflicts with each other: the amazing kindness, the dishonorable thievery, truth and love, deceit and bad intent. All we can do is control ourselves, and it's up to us to be the positive or negative influence we choose to be.
 
The whole 'faces of meth' and 'not even once' meth education programs here in the United States, Lindsey Lohan, and that tweaker stripper on the drug rehab documentary show 'Intervention' are probably what you mean, or that is what a lot of people think your average meth user looks like or will look like eventually if they keep using the drug.

Yeah, exactly. We don't see many people who look like that. I'm not sure if there are people who look like that in the US, or if it's just propaganda.

When I lived in a large city with lots of meth you could tell who the hardcover addicts of it were since they were usually men who looked a lot older than they were and if they smoked it or injected it they usually were missing all or most of their teeth, some got paranoid or nervous, they would have difficulty holding a conversation or did not make sense when they talked, and were quick to get angry over nothing.

The tooth loss is a poverty thing, not a meth thing. I mean, I'm not disputing that meth is terrible for your oral health, but if middle class or wealthier users (who totally exist) start having teeth problems, they just go to the dentist and get them fixed. Worst case scenario, dentures a little earlier than planned.

However I have also met a lot of younger people who unless they told you how they use meth you would have no idea they used it, or did use it at times or in the past. The same goes for people I know who are or were into other drugs like coke, crack, dope and other opiates.

There's conflicting research, but the general consensus is that *most* drug users "age out" of stimulant use (they are less likely to use as they get older). So it's not really a good comparison to look at a larger group of young users with a smaller group of "die hard" older users. For the record, I've encountered older/long term stimulant users who "look it" and others that you wouldn't be able to tell at all. That said, pretty much everyone in Australia has terrible sun damaged skin. :)

I think if you shoot it all bets are off. I have had a few side effects I am not pleased with. Some of the way your body releases meth is through the pores. When the pores struggle to open and expel the poison they can get infected a bit. I have had a few of those on my back. I read every book about meth I can find so I know what the hell is going on when something arises.

Whoa I missed this post. What a bunch of stigmatising nonsense.

Your skin isn't a toxin filter - that's the role of your liver, kidneys and (to a lesser extent) your lungs. You don't excrete meth through your pores.

I take back what I said earlier about not knowing anyone that looks that bad as those mug shots they post. Street prostitutes look like that, a lot of 'em. Being homeless, addicted, and prostituting takes away everything a female human being has.

So not all street based sex workers are homeless OR addicted to drugs? Some of them are actually making a decent amount of money in a form of work with no overheads and no boss. I totally get that some people experience trauma from doing sex work when they have no other choice (especially in criminalised environments) but it's really gross to project your stigmatising views about how YOU would feel having sex for money on people who are doing that work.

The only way you can sink any lower is being on death row. And the two are equatable in my mind: YOU ARE DYING. When you are addicted, homeless, and a prostitute you are busy killing yourself. When you are on death row society has deemed you acceptable for extermination i.e. to be killed.

I really don't understand why you're mixing sex work in with homelessness and addiction as something that "kills" you? Would you like to clarify, if you're talking about a specific demographic or experience? You're really generalising in a pretty unpleasant way.

Those girls that ended up on the street, I wonder where they came from. Does anybody love them? What happened? Frontline I think it was, profiled three women that were murdered in Las Vegas and their bodies dumped in the same spot. They all had lives much like most of us, boyfriends, husbands, children, parents. The pictures shown of these woman at an earlier time, they looked like most of us do. Regular people. They still had hope in their eyes. Then they got hooked. Then they ended up on the streets behind their habits. Then, tortured, raped, and murdered, the final insult.

Again, this isn't a linear progression of cause and effect? Were the women working to support habits, or were they just drug using women who found street based sex work to be the most accommodating form of work for them as drug users? Would their job make them not "regular people" (wtf?) if they hadn't been raped and murdered? Would you be labeling their drug use a causative factor in their deaths if they'd been murdered by their spouse, which is far more likely to happen?

Research done in Australia from the 90s to today has consistently found that the 'categories' in the sex industry are porous and it has a lot of mobility - ie, workers who work on the street are likely to move to/from other forms of work (like brothel work, stripping, private escorting, etc) as their needs require. There's no "what a street based sex worker" looks like. You've probably met more than one woman who's done sex work (inc on the street) and not even known it.
 
If you manage to stay healthy through your meth use, then i dont think you will even look close to the "before and after" people you see on tv, but then again... are you an addict if you can stop to sleep, eat and shower when needed?

Wow! That is a great question.

How does one define being "an addict" versus "a user"? When does it become a problem? If someone takes a medication like Zoloft (Sertraline, SSRI) regularly, they become physically dependent on it as evinced by SSRI Discontinuation Syndrome. Physical withdrawls are truly terrible, and the psychological withdrawal often leads to panic attacks and severe depression, or other neuroatypical reactions (I get black manias if I stop). BUT it isn't likely that anyone would ascribe the stigmatized label of "addict" to said individual going through medication withdrawal. So, then being "an addict" is a societal definition to describe a person who uses substances (chemical), or other means of stimulation (shopping, porn) AND and is chronically displays at least one of the following: 1) recognizable negative physical effects attributed to a particular substance (or act or whatever), like disregard for normal health and appearance by cultural standards, and nervous reactions when not able to satiate the id, 2) an effect on functioning and abilities (memory, cognition, able to hold down a job, a change in social interactions, perception of self, mood regulation, et. al) such that it is causing SIGNIFICANT problems or distress to the user and their life, 3)repeated financial and legal issues stemming from addiction (this might be covered in 2).

The DSM IV separated Substance Abuse and Substance Dependance, but I think they merged in the latest revision (V) as Substance Use Disorder. Here is how the manual defines it:

Substance use disorders occur when the recurrent use of alcohol and/or drugs causes clinically and functionally significant impairment, such as health problems, disability, and failure to meet major responsibilities at work, school, or home. According to the DSM-5, a diagnosis of substance use disorder is based on evidence of impaired control, social impairment, risky use, and pharmacological criteria.

So, if you are thriving in your work, being responsible with your finances, not alienating family and friends, not showing or feeling psychological issues of a mood disorder or psychosis, are existentially fulfilled, then no, you don't meed society's definition of an addict, which seems to be synonymous with "Substance Use Disorder," or tactless sobriquets like "junkie," "burn out," or "Crack-head." Showering, taking care of dental hygiene, eating healthily, and sleeping on a schedule are necessary to these at the bare minimum. Not binging seems important.

And don't even get my started on the vilification of the poor, sick, mentally ill, or otherwise disadvantaged members of society as addicts and criminals based only on physical appearance.

Sorry for the exegesis. IMHO if you are taking care of yourself - eating, showering, sleeping, not binging - then no, you aren't an addict by society's standards.Conversely, I guess you could have negative effects on your life even WITHOUT unrelenting physical addiction. Shrugs. Semantics.
 
Just a note: Tooth decay from meth use is generally associated with the dry mouth and lack of dental hygiene/saliva that often accompanies chronic meth use, not from the drug itself. So if a person is going to use often, he/she can pretty much avoid any heavy tooth damage by staying hydrated, using a mouth rinse like Biotene to combat the dry mouth and drinking water when the mouth is dry, and of course practicing good oral hygiene daily.
 
I second that...

Unfortunately, this seems to be an empirical truth of chronic methamphetamine use. To be fair, it also makes dudes look pretty bad. It turns people into some kind of homunculus gargoyle. The compulsive urge to pick at one's face produces irritation leading to full on open sores for a lot of people. "Meth mouth" seems to be a pretty common side effect of meth use. This is chiefly caused by acute lack of saliva in the mouth, saliva being your teeth's first line of defense against decay. I'm sure also that the chronic lack of proper diet and nutrition contributes to the pale, ghoulish look of heavy users.
 
The lack of beauty sleep ages you faster, but some people age gracefully and still look good while other, less fortunate people get more ugly with age. It's terrible for your teeth, though. My dental assistant told me I was very lucky to still have almost all of mine after doing methamphetamine for 10+ years (more like 18 years, on and off). However, my front teeth are chipping now.
 
Wez he's a troll, I unapproved his post if you want to remove that quote from your post. Either way I want to ask that nobody even respond to that. Don't even give him the satisfaction.
 
What was someone saying about a medication for adhd? What is MDD?

I think the poster was referring to Desoxyn, which is methamphetamine HCl in 5- or 10-mg pill form and occasionally prescribed for severe ADHD that doesn't respond to other treatments. And MDD stands for Major Depressive Disorder. :)

OT: There's not much to say that hasn't been said, but in my experience as an occasional meth abuser--a gram per month (recently down from a ball), consumed IV over a week of daily use with good hydration and at least some food each day and sleep every night--observing normal self-care routines will eliminate most of the typical meth-addict appearance.

Whether on a bender or not, I drink at least 2 liters of water a day (also helps with comedown headaches), and remember to brush my teeth 3x or more daily (especially if I go a night without sleeping); this, probably combined with the fact that I shoot my shard instead of smoking it, has kept meth mouth at bay. (But maybe I'm just dentally blessed--I've had no cavities in my adult teeth, my wisdom teeth emerged straight with no need to remove them, and in fact I just went to the dentist yesterday and was told my teeth are "beautiful" :D) I don't have problems with skin picking either, and as long as I wash my face and body regularly I don't get acne or wrinkled skin.

The only physical side-effect of meth that I can't seem to escape, no matter how diligent my eating and hydration, is weight loss--manifesting first in the face and then the rest of the body. Now, I'm a female, and I can't lie--I feel I actually look more attractive with a hint of the meth gauntness, and the guys I'm seeing agree. A lot probably depends on your own body morphology. Personally, I'm 5'6", 135, fairly hourglass with a bubble butt, and it never hurts to shed 5 pounds around my midsection and thighs; my face is heart-shaped and admittedly benefits from a slight thinning that makes the eyes and cheekbones more prominent. However, if you're naturally a very skinny person, the meth weight-loss might push you over the edge. Also, these effects are only beneficial to a point; taken too far (for me, that's more than several days of daily use, or multiple sleepless nights), meth truly does give you a haunted look, only worsened by the tremors and cowering that accompany paranoia at that stage.
 
Eat healthy before, drink 3 litres+ water throughout, protien shakes, shower during, clean teeth... and you shouldnt end up looking rough. although i dont go more than 1 night without sleep anymore

Im never smoking it again, left me feeling burnt out and emotional for days after, fuck that
 
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As a user for a 18 month binge. 10 years clean smoking shards only no bs. I would sleep 2 or 3 nights a week and work 8-10 hours everyday and be able to party all night. Was a really exciting time for me. Then people found out and wouldn't shit up about it. Put me in depression and was using.. hygiene stayed up but lost weight from 145 to 120. Looked rough. Teeth are weaker and have had cavities filled for 10 years probably 30 cavities. 7 root canals. Teeth still aren't nearly as strong as rest of my family. I think it was meth that caused that. The skinny me was foul looking. Had to stop hanging or talking to anyone associated. Still can smell and taste it sometimes. Terrible drug. Was 17 when I started. Lost everything. Home. Daughter. Car. And decided move far away. I am very different now. Most people I used to be "drug friends" are in jail. Or really haggard. Only have known of 2 people out of about 20 that got off of it as well. 3 dead from incidents around drug abuse not od. It's really terrible to think it could have been me. Worst effect on my life is the people that found out won't ever trust or believe you. 10 years later. And the fact that I can't seem to put on any weight is weird but might not be associated to the use. All in all use something less addictive for society's sake. And if u use then please drink eat and sleep. And don't let anyone find out. If it gets around your donezo.
 
I've been using for 7 years and I know I'm far from ugly. No sores on my face, I'm not freakishly skinny, I have nice teeth except for some cavities in the back but nobody can tell, and I def don't look older than my age or have any signs of aging. I think it's not the drug itself that makes people ugly but the drug along with neglecting personal hygiene and going days in a row without eating and sleeping on a regular basis. I used to go days without eating and sleeping when I first starting doing meth and I looked like hell for a short period of time because I got skeletor skinny and looked like an obvious junkie but when my tolerance built up I was able to eat and sleep on it so I got back to normal within a few months. I never came close to letting myself go in the hygiene department though lol it would be a cold day in hell before that happens. But yeah I think it's ok to binge once in a while but try not to go more than 3 days without sleep, that's what I do. Btw I use pretty heavily on the daily bowl after bowl from when I wake up til I go to bed and I sleep like 5 days a week usually.
 
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meth is a prescription drug in the US under the name Desoxyn and it "can" be used safely but all amphetamines are neurotoxic to some extent. The real problem with meth is that it leads you to stay awake and neglect your body (food and hygiene) for prolonged periods which results in tooth problems, among others.

The problem with anti-meth ads is that the majority of meth users function normally and don't believe they have a problem because they don't see their teeth falling out and they think that if they aren't looking as bad as the pictures they see in this stupid anti-meth campaigns, then they must not be in such a bad spot after all.

look up a-neuroscientist-explains-how-he-found-out-meth-is-almost-identical-to-adderall
 
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I'm a Paramedic and have the luxury of watching, over time, some new users slowly change.
I have the opinion that everything these hard core addicts are doing/not doing is contributing to the way they present.

For example, they don't eat properly - their body stores fat because it thinks they are starving this gives them that skinny fat look with a gaunt face ( like sucked in at the check bones) , they don't shower = they stink, Meth mouth is usually chemical burn plus infection compounding etc etc.
Open sores are sometimes caused by the body's natural process of trying to get rid of the poisons that are being introduced into the body. Ingesting Meth also causes the body to retain calcium for some reason. This calcium builds up into pockets under the skin, which become itchy. These are what these addict describe as "bugs crawling under my skin"

All in all I think it's a bit of each thing that causes the look of the addict to change. And in my experience, I can usually guess the type of drug the serious addict is abusing just by the way they act and look. I think that specific drugs make people look specific ways. I wouldn't know how to prove this but my colleagues and I are around sick people enough to see it and it has been brought up before.

By the way, they're not ugly dude, they're sick and the sickness has distorted their features a bit, it is reversible as well
 
The pure substance itself, which is also sold on prescription as Desoxyn, will not automatically lead to any visible changes / 'breakdown' of the body at all.. it's use certainly puts some strain on the mind and body and one needs to carefully watch to eat & drink enough and healthy, overall lifestyle, get enough sleep (even just 4-5 hours are so much better than none at all) etc.. clandestinely produced meth usually contains the one or other potentially toxic residue from amateur chemistry which can be much more harmful than the meth itself. Also the dosages 'addicts' use are just through the roof..

Personally I don't like the amphetamines, they're far too wiring and all that.. give isopropylphenidate a try and you'll know what I mean ;) but I think even meth (the pure substance) isn't as bad as it's reputation.... then again 5-10mg of an amphetamine makes a decent dose for me though even after years of psychoactive use.. I'm just not your usual drughead maybe.

Edit @Marauder: It's indeed strange that amphetamines have a much worse comedown for some (? if it was for everyone, then they'd just use methylphenidate, or?) like me.. with the phenidates it's around the equal duration of the stimulation, e.g. 12h up, sleep, wake up with a slight headache but nothing serious. With amphetamine I'll have 2-3 days of ugly depression. And since I know isopropylphenidate, I dislike MPH too..

But you definitely need to look into the nootropic antioxidant Emoxypine. Take it as directed, 125mg every 3-4 hours and/or together with every (re)dose of a stimulant, it protects you to a good part from dopamine (auto)oxidation, makes the effects and comedown smoother, depletes less dopamine and alleviates the hangover.. as long as you don't dose too high as usual, but with study/motivational dosages of IPPD (5mg) & Emoxypine it is so smooth that I even much prefer it to caffeine for now (in terms of effects -and- price / after effects / comedown!) This might apply to low doses of MPH or amphetamines in general ... and Emoxypine seems to offer some protection when drinking alcohol as well (just read, can't tell if it's true).
 
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