Can a straight person have a slightly homoerotic dream?

[psychedelicsoul]

Why not, actually go hug your friend? Are you afraid you will get a boner or what?

I'm not comfortable hugging my mom, so I doubt that's it

Which is all the more reason to stand up and be proud of who you are.

Would you tell a sociopath or a pedophile that? I mean, that sounds like an appeal to nature. I think if someone feels better changing, it's better to change. I mean, why is changing your sexuality so stupid, but when you cut your dick off and make it into a fake pussy you're some kind of hero

There's also no point in having this debate in SLR either

Good point, enough of the spiritual stuff. I just wanted you to understand why I believe change is possible.

You clearly stated that hugging in this scenario means "giving and receiving emotional support". You know who else gives and receives emotional support? Friends, parents, counselors, etc,

I'm sure I'd make an amazing parent at all... but not my cup of tea. Of course I'd clearly be awesome at it.
I have friends and I consider myself a good friend. If I were in Equestria, Twilight would be my princess.
As for a counselor.. well... imagine how that would go
"Mr. Soul... I feel like I'm supposed to have dreams about girls.. but i... I end up having dreams about guys. Is that wrong?"
"Well of course it's wrong, do you feel wrong?"
"Yes"
"Well then you're wrong for feeling that way"
"Oh"
"Ok... I attempted to torture myself to get rid of gay desires. You can try this at home. You can be just like me..."

Yea, I doubt that job would work out for me.

 

[w01fg4ng]

^ Counselors are often the ones who have had the most fucked up lives. They are the ones that made it through the darkness you are experiencing and they have chosen to help others in return using their expertise and wisdom. It might take time for you.

I'm not comfortable hugging my mom, so I doubt that's it

Sounds like you want to cast blame on someone other than yourself.

Would you tell a sociopath or a pedophile that?

Maybe I already have.

I just wanted you to understand why I believe change is possible.

Change is possible, yes. Getting over a fear often times brings positive change in ones life. Being honest with oneself often brings positive change. Allowing friends and family into your life by giving and receiving emotional support is a fantastic way to bring about change.

 

[coelophysis]

OP you come off as very young.. You sound like you're still a teenager.
I wish you could believe me when I tell you, you'll turn out alright, it'll all come together.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

^ Counselors are often the ones who have had the most fucked up lives. They are the ones that made it through the darkness you are experiencing and they have chosen to help others in return using their expertise and wisdom. It might take time for you.

Yea, but a lot of things would force me to break my ideology. For example, I don't think it's moral to report people who wanna commit suicide. So if a student came saying he was gonna commit suicide, I would have to allow him and not report the behavior.

Sounds like you want to cast blame on someone other than yourself.

Blame for what? I'm just no comfortable with physical contact when affection is involved. That could come from MANY factors, including possible autism.

Maybe I already have.

Isn't that just a nihilistic way to think? I mean... Do you think a pedophile is gonna stop feeling bad about liking kids one day? I'd rather see them try to change and possibly fail than just give up and writhe in the shame.

Change is possible, yes. Getting over a fear often times brings positive change in ones life. Being honest with oneself often brings positive change. Allowing friends and family into your life by giving and receiving emotional support is a fantastic way to bring about change.

Agreed

 

[w01fg4ng]

Yea, but a lot of things would force me to break my ideology. For example, I don't think it's moral to report people who wanna commit suicide. So if a student came saying he was gonna commit suicide, I would have to allow him and not report the behavior.

You seem to like to go off topic a lot specifically with Philosophy & Spirituality. I can't have a conversation with you if you can't stay on topic.

I'm just no comfortable with physical contact when affection is involved.

I don't believe you.

Allow me to quote you on how your felt during your dream involving physical contact, "I felt good giving and recieving emotional support."

Isn't that just a nihilistic way to think? I mean... Do you think a pedophile is gonna stop feeling bad about liking kids one day? I'd rather see them try to change and possibly fail than just give up and writhe in the shame.

Again, off topic. But I'll give you a short answer. Pedos are bad and they should feel bad.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

I don't believe you.

Allow me to quote you on how your felt during your dream involving physical contact, "I felt good giving and recieving emotional support."

I know, that's what made the dream so weird.

Again, off topic. But I'll give you a short answer. Pedos are bad and they should feel bad.

Oh... so if someone is attracted to kids, all of a sudden they're sick fuck who needs to either change or feel terrible for the rest of their lives... but the same can't be said about bisexuals?

 

[w01fg4ng]

Dude some people get off on killing other animals or people, but I'm not going to condone that shit either.

If you support child pornography, yes you are a sick fuck.

If you enjoy giving and receiving emotional support from your friend who happens to be the same sex as you, that's normal. If you end up with a boner, I'm not going to look down on you for that either.

There is a big difference between people being murdered or raped versus two consenting adults having a hug. Always will be.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Dude some people get off on killing other animals or people, but I'm not going to condone that shit either.

If you support child pornography, yes you are a sick fuck.

If you enjoy giving and receiving emotional support from your friend who happens to be the same sex as you, that's normal. If you end up with a boner, I'm not going to look down on you for that either.

There is a big difference between people being murdered or raped versus two consenting adults having a hug. Always will be.

You're confusing child molestation/child pornography with pedophilia. Pedophilia is the attraction to children, which is as natural as any sexual orientation.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Pedophilia is the attraction to children, which is as natural as any sexual orientation.

Natural is not the word I would use to describe this. Depraved is a better adjective.

Good luck and stuff.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Natural is not the word I would use to describe this. Depraved is a better adjective.

Good luck and stuff.

A lot of depraved things are natural.

 

[PriestTheyCalledHim]

But to believe it's 100% impossible to change is much different than deciding



Who are you to decide that?



And we should just blindly trust them?



That is bullshit. Sexual fluidity exists. And either way, what's the point of believing in any religion if that religion can't impact who you are? There is no "gay gene", just factors in brain chemistry that predispose people to homosexuality. Even if there was a gay gene, people could still transcend it spiritually.

Again... there's no purpose in believing in any religion if you don't think it can better your life. And if you don't believe in anything, I'm wasting my time. If you're an atheist there's no way you'd accept the existence of the supernatural.



All religions are money worshipping cults. However, the intention behind scientology is the best intention for any religion. I'm not doubting that there's something to the religion



According to people who he counselled during LSD sessions, 7 out of 12 reported changes in sexuality.

OK I'm personally not atheist but I had atheist/agnostic leanings at one time the way a lot of people do.

If taking acid and other psychedelics, therapy, and meditation/prayer, etc. made you change your sexuality a lot of people would have easily done this already, and those "ex gay" or 'ex-LBGT' programs do not work.

That's the judeo-christian God.... He hates gays and well... 90% of the world. People totally misinterpret the bible when they say God loves everyone.

But regardless you can change your sexuality without a specific religion.

I don't believe that God or whatever he/she/it/they are hates gay/LGBT people or 90% of the world or everyone that's not a devout and basically Hasidim or Orthodox Jew.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

If taking acid and other psychedelics, therapy, and meditation/prayer, etc. made you change your sexuality a lot of people would have easily done this already, and those "ex gay" or 'ex-LBGT' programs do not work.

They don't work most of the time. However, it's unprovable that 100% of all ex-LGBT programs fail 100% of the time... though personally, I prefer doing it yourself than going through a program.

Also, how can you objectively say a lot of people haven't done this... and I didn't do it "easily". Do you call dropping a knife in the center of your palm "easy"? What about constantly hitting yourself with glass bottles and metal bars? What about burning yourself with a cigarette or cigar? What about cutting your thighs and arms with a razor blade? What about doing shit like this for four months straight while smoking spice every single day?
Don't compare me with these pussified conversion therpiasts... back in the day they did real shit... ECT and what not

Also, people have claimed to have changed their sexuality through psychedelics, meditation and prayer. You just blindly assume 100% of them are lying. The only thing I did that was anything new was the torture.

I don't believe that God or whatever he/she/it/they are hates gay/LGBT people or 90% of the world or everyone that's not a devout and basically Hasidim or Orthodox Jew.

How does God burn anyone alive forever and not hate them?

 

[JessFR]

God you remind me of my bother and his inane retarded bullshit.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

God you remind me of my bother and his inane retarded bullshit.

All of us are brothers and sisters in spirit

 

[JessFR]

Torturing yourself is clear indication of serious mental problems, the kind I keep telling you to seek help for.
What you're talking about is reparative therapy, which assumes homosexuality is a mental disorder in the first place, which it isn't. And has never ever been shown to actually change underlying sexual desire. Those people who claim to be cured, they're just changing the definition of homosexuality to be ACTING on gay desires instead of HAVING gay desires. There's no evidence the desires are eliminated.

I'm begging you, go see a psychiatrist and tell them what you tell us.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Torturing yourself is clear indication of serious mental problems, the kind I keep telling you to seek help for.
What you're talking about is reparative therapy, which assumes homosexuality is a mental disorder in the first place, which it isn't. And has never ever been shown to actually change underlying sexual desire. Those people who claim to be cured, they're just changing the definition of homosexuality to be ACTING on gay desires instead of HAVING gay desires. There's no evidence the desires are eliminated.

I'm begging you, go see a psychiatrist and tell them what you tell us.

There's no definite proof they can or cannot change. I'll admit it. It's something you have to have some faith with. Like God... Also, homosexuality isn't a mental disorder, but that doesn't make it set in stone.
Also, a lot of early reparative techniques existed before we had adequate technology to prove whether or not they did or didn't work. But many of these methods are illegal.

Whatever, my friends accept me.

 

[JessFR]

Yea not being willing to hug your mom is very very strange.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Yea not being willing to hug your mom is very very strange.

Doesn't it feel awkward? I can't be the only one who thinks getting close to people physically feels awkward.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

I think you do possibly sound autistic, like some of the other posters have said or at least have some of the sensory symptoms of it. However, as for your dream, there was nothing erotic in it at all. Also, even if it was, it would not be very surprising considering that you used to consider yourself bisexual. You may have changed, but the potential still likely remains in your subconscious.

I know that it wasn't erotic, but could it have still been romantic.

I'm very unfamiliar with love or friendship. So sometimes I feel like I get them mixed up. After all, I've only had the friends I still have for today for about 3 or so years. Most of my life has been lonely before that. I have a hard time distinguishing what counts as what.