Bodybuilding and Insomnia

I don't drink anymore

If I wanted to get drunk Gabapentin is alcohol in a tablet, hits the same recptors (Gaba-b) , I took a lot on a self distrust mission once and done some crazy shit lol

Plus I'm on Test for life now and currently running 2 others

I'm in my 20s and alcohol does not even cross my mind

I'm taking my health and bodybuilding more serious than even, yeah I take a couple GABAerics and weed but that's not a big deal in moderation and it actually helps because sleep is a big factor and I suffer badly with sleep



On days when it's jag time , today was a jag day, because there's acetate, prop and phenylprop in my test after a few hours I get horny as fuck and sometimes give in but I know it lowers test so I end up with the devil on 1 shoulder saying "bang her brains out" and the angel saying "don't it will fuck your gains up " haha , I normally go with the devil

Masturbation lowering Testosterone levels is a fucking myth. Ejaculation, orgasm, and overall "sexual exhaustion" has no effect on Testosterone levels.

Sex and masturbation while on steroids is actually quite healthy and beneficial for the prostate.
 
Masturbation lowering Testosterone levels is a fucking myth. Ejaculation, orgasm, and overall "sexual exhaustion" has no effect on Testosterone levels.

Sex and masturbation while on steroids is actually quite healthy and beneficial foer the prostate.

I may be wrong but doesn't watching porn or masturbating actually cause a spike in t levels?
 
This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

The problem here is that the control group is a group of "10" males, which imo just nullifys these results..
 
Fuck that. I'd gladly take a little lower t levels (if I were still natural) than no sex/masturbating.
 
I don't think it would apply with exogenous testosterone only natural levels
 
This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

The problem here is that the control group is a group of "10" males, which imo just nullifys these results..

Possibly negated by the increase in prolactin:


Orgasm-induced prolactin secretion: feedback control of sexual drive?
Krüger TH1, Haake P, Hartmann U, Schedlowski M, Exton MS.
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Recent studies from our laboratory have investigated the hormonal response to various forms of sexual stimulation, including film, masturbation, and coitus in both men and women. This series of studies clearly demonstrated that plasma prolactin (PRL) concentrations are substantially increased for over 1h following orgasm (masturbation and coitus conditions) in both men and women, but unchanged following sexual arousal without orgasm. Here we discuss evidence suggesting that the PRL response to orgasm may play an important role in the control of acute sexual arousal following orgasm. Supporting this position, chronic elevations of PRL (hyperprolactinemia) produce pronounced reductions in animal sexual activity, and significant reduction of libido and gonadal function in both men and women. These data suggest that PRL may represent a peripheral regulatory factor for reproductive function, and/or a feedback mechanism that signals CNS centres controlling sexual arousal and behaviour. Thus, we propose a theoretical model of the role of PRL as a neuroendocrine reproductive reflex.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11835982

An interesting look at prolactinergic and doperminergic mechanisms post orgasm:

Prolactinergic and dopaminergic mechanisms underlying sexual arousal and orgasm in humans
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Krüger TH1, Hartmann U, Schedlowski M.
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Dopaminergic mechanisms play a major role in modulating sexual behavior in humans and animals. Animal data demonstrate important interactions between the dopaminergic and prolactinergic system. As recently demonstrated, dopamine agonists have facilitatory properties for penile erection but may also enhance sexual drive and orgasmic quality. In contrast, chronic elevations of prolactin inhibit appetitive as well as consummatory parameters of sexual behavior. Recent human studies show a marked increase in prolactin after orgasm in males and females. Concerning the biological relevance of acute prolactin alterations after orgasm, prolactin might serve as a neuroendocrine reproductive reflex for peripheral reproductive organs. Alternatively, prolactin may feedback to dopaminergic neurons in the central nervous system and thereby modulate sexual drive and satiation. Here, we provide a brief overview of the physiology of dopamine and prolactin in regulating sexual behavior. In addition, recent experimental and clinical evidence for a postulated feedback mechanism for prolactin and its implications for orgasmic disorders are discussed.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15889301
 
Has anyone used ZMA for insomnia? Is it effective?

ZMA probably won't knock you out but the magnesium may help you relax as it aids in muscle relaxation. I don't get sleepy from it at all.

ZMA is is primarily used as a supplement to speed recovery and possibly boost testosterone levels.

I will say that I feel more rested in the morning when I've used ZMA, possibly due to the vitamin B6. To my knowledge it's used in neurotransmitter production.
 
ZMA probably won't knock you out but the magnesium may help you relax as it aids in muscle relaxation. I don't get sleepy from it at all.

ZMA is is primarily used as a supplement to speed recovery and possibly boost testosterone levels.

I will say that I feel more rested in the morning when I've used ZMA, possibly due to the vitamin B6. To my knowledge it's used in neurotransmitter production.

I see...I was thinking of getting either zinc or magnesium if one of those helps with sleep. Of the two, you would say magnesium?
 
Xanax valium or Seroquel usually does the trick for me

xyrum (ghb) iv tried knocks me out but it is scarce..

never had an ambien tbh




Xanax though would be my fav because the dreams on Xanax are so vivid/terrifying/awesome...

I don't think Xanax b4 bed would negatively effect bodybuilding either....

you may wake up after 3-4hours after a Xanax pill, just take another one and you'll be out......

tolerance/addiction comes into play though wit Xanax...

Ill start eating them like candy next thing I know its 3 days later, my knuckles are covered in blood, iv peed my pants, my dick has that smell from stinky vagina after sex.. then ill look thru my phone in horror at my text messages to see wtf happened lol......
 
Haha oh man...I've never gone on one of those xanax binges.

I wish I had access to some though. When I used to I would take 0.5-1 mg and I would get the best sleep.
 
GHB gives you great sleep (best sleep I've ever had either naturally or with other drugs), almost knocks you out (if you fight it you'll stay awake, but if you try to sleep you'll be asleep in a few min) with the right dose, but it also comes with it's own problems. It's illegal and labeled as a date rape drug so getting caught with it is going to suck. It can be addictive and if you get addicted the WDs are going to suck (similar to benzo WD except shorter and more intense + lots of doctors don't know the best treatment protocols and will try and taper you off with benzos which doesn't really work to well since GHB works on GABAB while benzos work on GABAA). The dose range is relatively small, so you need to know exactly how much your taking (which means no street ghb of unknown concentration). The first studies said it was completely nontoxic, some of the newest ones suggest it may be a bit neurotoxic (I think it's with rats + lower doses toxic higher not, so who knows if it applies to normal human doses).


Now if you can manage to get you hands on some pure GBL and NaOH you can make great GHB with a known concentration so dosing isn't an issue. If you use it only once per day with a week off every so often addiction also isn't an issue. But start drinking it 24/7 (lets face it it feels good, so you'll be tempted) you're going to get addicted. And if you use it as a date rape drug... well I hope all the prison rape stories are true. Oh, and unlike benzos tolerance isn't really a problem unless you dose way too often.


And now you've made me miss the good old days when you could get liters of GBL at very low prices + no questions asked :(
 
Marijuana- smoke some. Not only has cannabis recently been proved to have multiple medicinal qualities (retards the growth of cancer cells, has a rejuvenating effect on cells, decreases inflimation, increases appetite- which is good for a bulk, it also helps one SLEEP!) I have horrid insomnia- and I have since I can remember- if I don't take something for it- I will often be awake for a solid 48 hours before passing out from exhaustion. I have my medical card so legality is not an issue for me. I find that if I smoke a joint about 2 hours before bed- after the psychoactive effect wear off- I am left extremely sleepy- and I sleep like a baby. Smoking marijuana has some negative effect on fitness- particularly when it comes to endurance, as shortness of breath comes from smoking anything. However, there are multiple ROA's- such as vaporizing- which removes all carcinogens and you get the benefit of the cannabis- also eating it(take note that when eating cannabis in a baked good the psychoactive effects are much strnger and last anywhere from 4-8 hours depending on dose and tolerance. There are tinctures, and even drinks now with cannabis in them. I body build- I am 230 @ 10% bf with a squat of 580 dead of 600 and bench of 385. Ive been lifting for about 7 years- and I find cannabis- when used properly actually AIDS in bodybuilding- I just look at it as a supplement- with social benefits too. Hope this helps
 
I see...I was thinking of getting either zinc or magnesium if one of those helps with sleep. Of the two, you would say magnesium?

The product I'd recommend is called "Natural Calm" by Natural Vitality. It's a flavored magnesium powder drink and I know plenty of people who swear by it.
 
if u know where to look though...... id defiantly look into PURE alprolozam powder or bulk GHB... its so cheap you can afford to get addicted.



ghb releases growth hormone as well.


much better money spent IMO than any of the silly peptides (except real GH of course but who the fuck can afford like 10,000 worth of growth hormone)
 
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if u know where to look though...... id defiantly look into PURE alprolozam powder or bulk GHB... its so cheap you can afford to get addicted.



ghb releases growth hormone as well.


much better money spent IMO than any of the silly peptides (except real GH of course but who the fuck can afford like 10,000 worth of growth hormone)

I think the jury is still out on that one.. Any effects would be negated by its release of prolactin, I believe..
 
My insomnia isn't quite that bad enough yet. I've been looking into alternative sleep cycles. As more of a last resort measure, I've been considering etiz. I would take 0.5 mg.
 
Have you tried Kava? Not the extracts either, just legit kava ground root. It always makes me tired a couple hours after taking some.

I wouldn't recommend the Phenibut/benzos route or any GABAergic drug really. They do work, almost too well though. I was addicted to phenibut for about 6 months, daily use. And if you are using something for sleep it's usually going to be an every day thing. Even if you are using a small amount if it's every day you most likely will get addicted.

I just started smoking weed again and it's been working for me, but if you can't smoke try some good kava root powder. It's not my favorite thing and isn't an over powering high. But it definitely will make you relaxed and tired.
 
I think the jury is still out on that one.. Any effects would be negated by its release of prolactin, I believe..

GHB: Powerful Growth Hormone Secretagogue
by Ward Dean MD

Growth hormone is one of the many hormones that declines dramatically with age (Fig. 1). Growth hormone has multiple functions in the body, including maintaining lean body mass, mobilizing fat, counteracting insulin, enhancing immunity, lowering blood pressure and improving cholesterol levels, increasing energy, and even improving vision. Many physicians now routinely prescribe growth hormone shots for middle-aged and older men and women for their health-enhancing, anti-aging effects. Bodybuilders and athletes have been taking growth hormone for years as an anabolic and performance-enhancing agent.

A claim about GHB that is frequently made by its supporters (and which is just as roundly denied or ignored by GHB's detractors) is that GHB is a powerful stimulant of growth hormone release by the pituitary.

If GHB could truly increase growth hormone levels, it would lend credence to the claims of many of its supporters that GHB has profound fat-burning and other anti-aging effects. Let's examine the basis for this belief that GHB may increase growth hormone release.

GHB increases Growth Hormone in Humans and Experimental Animals

One of the earliest indications of GHB's potential as a growth hormone stimulator was the study by Oyama and Takiguchi (1970), of the department of anesthesiology, Hirosaki University in Japan. They evaluated the effects of GHB--when used as a general anesthetic--on 10 patients (ranging in age from 14 to 48) undergoing surgery. The scientists found that after infusion of an average of 6 gm GHB, growth hormone levels rose significantly (6 times higher than controls!) and remained elevated for approximately two hours. They also noted no change in insulin or glucose levels. This is very significant, as exogenously administered Growth Hormone (i.e., administered by injections) tends to be diabetogenic, and tends to counteract the glucose-lowering effects of insulin.

Seven years later Takahara and his colleagues (1977[a]) evaluated the effects of GHB on growth hormone in six males, aged 25-40. Each subject was given 2.5 gm GHB intravenously. Not surprisingly, five of the subjects fell asleep within 20 minutes of the infusion, and slept for 30-150 minutes. Growth hormone levels began to climb after the infusion, reached a peak at 60 minutes, and then gradually declined (Fig. 2). Takahara and his team continued to performed studies on humans regarding growth hormone and GHB, with similar results (1977; 1980)

In 1980, scientists at the National Institute of Health and Medical Research in France evaluated the GH-stimulating effects of GHB in 20 rats. After intrapertoneal administration of 100 mg/100 gm body weight, GH levels rose significantly (Figure 3) (Bluet-Pajot, et al, 1980). Other studies which confirmed GHB's GH-stimulating effects in humans included those of Yunoki (1982), and Gerra and colleagues (1994).

In 1997, yet another study was conducted with the specific purpose of determining whether GHB would enhance sleep and increase GH secretion in normal subjects. In this study, eight healthy subjects ranging in age from 24-28 participated. GHB dosages of 2.5 gm, 3.5 gm, and 4.5 gm were administered at bedtime once per week to at least 7 of the 8 subjects. The only "adverse effect" noted by any of the subjects was a feeling of inebriation by five of the subjects. Consistent with previous studies, the duration's of stages III and IV sleep were increased. These are thought to be the most restful and restorative sleep stages, and are also the stages in which growth hormone is maximally released. Figure 4 shows the effect of the low, medium and high doses of GHB on growth hormone, compared with placebo (Van Cauter, et al, 1997) (Fig. 4). Interestingly, Dr. Martin Scharf, one of the co-authors of the study, is one of the most eminent researchers in the world on the beneficial effects of GHB on narcolepsy, (a severe sleep disorder).

In fact, Van Cauter and Scharf have even applied for a U.S. Patent--"Use of gamma-hydroxybutyrate for the stimulation of sleep-related growth hormone secretion." This patent describes the use of GHB to reestablish normal nighttime growth hormone secretion in adults, by administering GHB just before retiring.

Long-Term Studies

Until recently, all of the studies on the growth hormone-releasing effects of GHB had been one-time studies. No one had studied the ability of GHB to stimulate growth hormone after long-term use. Michael Farley, a Florida-based naturopathic physician, has conducted a unique study that will allow us to make some inferences with regard to the long term growth hormone stimulating properties of GHB. Dr. Farley used a dietary supplement (RenewTrient ?) that contained a precursor of GHB-gamma butyrolactone (GBL). For all practical purposes, GHB and GBL have identical biochemical and physiological effects.

Farley evaluated the effect of GBL on growth hormone, IGF-1, and glucose (glucose can be considered an indirect indicator of GH levels). The test subjects included ten males (aged 28-53). Three had used GBL every night for over one year, while seven had not previously used it.

Farley noted elevations of growth hormone and IGF1, and reductions in blood sugar in all subjects. However, those who had not previously used GBL had higher levels of growth hormone and IGF1, and greater reductions in blood sugar than the "experienced" GBL users. For example, the average increase from baseline to a peak at 60 minutes ranged from 0.56 to 7.1 NG/ML for the seven GBL "non-users." The four subjects who used GBL for over one year had average values of 0.5 to 2.4 NG/ML, respectively.

Farley found that test subjects who had the lowest blood glucose levels had the greatest increases in growth hormone. Consequently, he recommends taking GBL on an empty stomach --i.e., about three hours after eating--in order to maximize the release of growth hormone.

Farley's study, while interesting, leaves us with a few questions, and some suggestions for further study. First, the test was performed in the morning, using a fairly small dose of GBL (0.25 mg/kg). This dose is about half that normally required to induce sleep - confirmed by the fact that none of the subjects fell asleep.

All of the previous studies on GHB and growth hormone used sleep-inducing doses of GHB. Since GH is released in greatest quantity during Stage III and IV of normal sleep, and since GHB enhances these sleep stages, researchers hypothesized that this was the cause of GHB-stimulated GH release. However, Farley's study showed that GBL enhances GH release even when sleep is not induced. Would the GH release have been even more significant if higher doses had been used?

Farley's study affirms the long term safety of GBL, as the three long term users suffered no adverse side effects, and maintained a significant growth hormone releasing response. However, since long term daily use did result in a reduction of the growth hormone stimulating effects of GHB, we (Farley and Dean) recommend against chronic daily use of GHB and its precursors (GBL and BD). We believe that consumers of GHB should take a break periodically, and avoid using GHB two or three days each week. This should prevent receptor down-regulation, and optimize the benefits.

Conclusions

GHB and its precursors (GBL and BD) are clearly powerful growth hormone secretagogues. A patent has been issued for GHB's use as a growth hormone stimulant - held by one of the leading GHB researchers in the world. A prescription version of GHB is pending imminent approval by the FDA (sic) named Xyrem ? and manufactured by Orphan Medical. These two facts lend credence to the safety and efficacy of GHB in elevating growth hormone, as reported in this review. GHB's growth hormone stimulating effect is just one more of the numerous reasons this miracle nutrient has such a beneficial effect on our health and well-being.

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