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Bali Nine Australians Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to be executed together in Bal

I have been there 3 times, but not for 15 or so years now but have had friends come back from there since and chat to me about the drugs there and how most drugs are still so available. You can walk along the main streets and be offered alot of types of drugs, when I was there it was mainly weed, mushrooms, cocaine and meth.

Even though we have pretty lenient drug laws in Australia that doesn't happen much from the places I have been. I dont get offered shit just walking around. There are a few places where it has happened to me like at raves (when I was younger) and night clubs and nimbin, but generally I dont get people coming up to me saying HEY MAN WANNA BUY SOME WEED/SPEED/MUSHROOMS/COCAINE etc...

But I guess there are alot of very poor people in Indo and they wont to make money for whatever reasons and they take the risks.

I had this Indo guy in Bali once offer me some coke as I was walking down a main street in Kuta with some friends, and I said nah man its probably fake anyway and he got butt hurt and said dip ya finger in and taste it, so I stupidly did and it sorta tasted like coke (I'd only had it twice in Syd) and then I said yeah seems ok, but I am not interested really, and he went off his head saying 'you taste, you buy!' and all sorts of shit, treading on the back of my thongs from behind, I was thinking he may have had a weapon or friends close by, so I said to my mates lets jump in a taxi and bail, as we did this fuck wit was still trying to pull me out and saying shit to me about I have to buy and I owe him money etc etc.
 
That's bali though. It's but a freckle of the rest of the country. You think about the cliental who holiday in Bali. Bogan Aussies looking for a cheap deal. Drugs are easier than braiding hair. Corruption scams with your policeman cousin even easier

There is a reason the article above says 76% of the people support the death penalty for drugs. Alcohol isn't even that popular outside of the larger cities.
 
Yeah.. Bali cops got me for small bribes a few times riding around on a motor bike. I think they must earn alot of extra cash getting 5 or 10 or 20 bucks off loads of young dumb tourists like I was, although I dont know if there was much choice, if you keep on saying no and the cop decides to be a prick they could make your holiday a nightmare I would imagine.

I would like to explore more of Indo. Right away from the tourist areas. Someday. Maybe.
 
One Thousand Words said:
This is correct.

It's not like the seven Australians caught here were down and outers who had no choice or didn't know the risks. They were all young night clubbers who met and organised this in Brisbane and we're all in this to profit.
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according to the wiki, they all met whilst working for the catering company eurest australia that services the sydney cricket ground, where they were all employed.

...kytnism...:|
 
I've been bringing this story up with family and friends and I find it odd how complacent everyone seems to be about it. The whole "you do the crime you do the time" mentality is just so strange to me. They've done ten years already is killing them via firing squad just? Not at all in my opinion.
Life is messy and sometimes we do things that are completely wrong. I just don't see this drug crime fitting under the "firing squad" method of justice. I'm really bothered by it.
 
I stand corrected.

The complacency re the death sentence is possibly due to the perceived inevitability of the sentence. An authoritarian, religious state isn't the place to be messing around with drugs.
 
harmacologist said:
not murder. tis punishment.

They did something illegal, with the intent of profiting from it. They got caught, and now must suffer, so that others like them can continue doing illegal things for money.

If you sell drugs, you can't bitch about the punishment for the crime, because the whole legality issue is what allows you to profit.
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The fucking dealers didn't make it illegal and in a fucking country like Indonesia where people have gotten a few lousy years for blowing up abunch of tourists how the fuck is killing these people in any way right? Then again what can you expect from a shothole in that region that on one hand owes alot of it's economy to drugs and on the other executes people for it.

Australia seems about as good at protecting it's citizens as Canada is. This reminds me of the time abunch of British people and a Canadian where arrested and sentenced to death in Saudi Arabia for manufacturing moonshine ffs and they where not even guilty but that's besides the point. If the British government had not gotten it's own people out of there and taken the Canadian with him the poor fucker would have been crucified for sure.

If i ever was mad enough to deal drugs in one of these shitholes id sure as fuck have a gun on me at all times so that if i did see cops atleast i could make sure id get gunned down in the street and take as many of the bastards as i could with me rather then waiting around for those cunts to kill me.
 
paranoid android said:
The fucking dealers didn't make it illegal
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No they didn't make drugs illegal, they did however KNOWINGLY go to a region where drugs were illegal, for the expressed purpose of trafficking said illegal drugs for a profit worthy the risk.

Again, they knew the risks, they knew the consequences, and now they got to pay. This is what allows drug dealers to make so much money.
 
harmacologist said:
No they didn't make drugs illegal, they did however KNOWINGLY go to a region where drugs were illegal, for the expressed purpose of trafficking said illegal drugs for a profit worthy the risk.

Again, they knew the risks, they knew the consequences, and now they got to pay. This is what allows drug dealers to make so much money.
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Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's right. While this may not be an altruistic act of civil disobedience these people are still martyers for a cause. For without people of every nationality willing to take extreme risks these assholes might win the war. Regardless of how the profit motivation may change the moral calculus in the heads of some the judicial/political system of that shithole country has blood on its hands. Execution is murder execution for non violent crimes is just plain madness.
 
crimsonjunk said:
Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's right.
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That is true.

It drug laws are wrong imo. But these people TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DRUG LAWS FOR PROFIT. They are just as bad as the cops, the politicians that keep the laws wrong, and everyone else IN ON THE TRADE.
 
Indonesia executes six drug convicts as new president Joko Widodo takes a hard line on drugs

Indonesia has executed six people convicted on drug offences in the first executions carried out under new president Joko Widodo.

The two women and four men killed by firing squad included five foreigners from Brazil, the Netherlands, Vietnam, Malawi and Nigeria.

Two Australians - Myuran Sukamaran and Andrew Chan - remain on death row for their roles in the so-called Bali Nine's attempt to traffic heroin into Australia.

Sukamaran has already been denied a presidential pardon.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott has appealed directly to Mr Widodo to show mercy on the two Australians.

Brazil and the Netherlands recalled their ambassadors in Indonesia after Jakarta ignored their pleas for clemency and executed their nationals.

Indonesia has tough anti-drugs laws and Mr Widodo, who took office in October, has disappointed rights activists by voicing strong support for capital punishment despite his image as a reformist.

A spokesman for the attorney-general's office, Tony Spontana, said all the prisoners were executed around the same time, shortly after midnight.

They were sentenced to death between 2000 and 2011.

Vietnamese woman Tran Thi Bich Hanh was executed in Boyolali district in central Java, while five others were put to death on Nusakambangan Island, home to a high-security prison, off the south coast of the archipelago's main island of Java.

They included an Indonesian woman, Rani Andriani, along with 53-year-old Brazilian Marco Archer Cardoso Moreira and 62-year-old Dutchman Ang Kiem Soei.

A Nigerian, Daniel Enemuo, and Namaona Denis, from Malawi, were also executed.

International outcry against the executions

Brazil's president and the Dutch foreign minister led an international outcry against the executions.

A spokesman for Brazilian president Dilma Roussef said she was "distressed and outraged".

"Using the death penalty, which is increasingly rejected by the international community, seriously affects relations between our countries," the spokesman said in a statement.

The Brazilian ambassador to Jakarta was being recalled for consultations, the spokesman added.

Meanwhile Dutch foreign minister Bert Koenders said the Netherlands had also recalled its ambassador, and described all six deaths as "terribly sad" in a statement.

"My heart goes out to their families, for whom this marks a dramatic end to years of uncertainty," Mr Koenders said.

"The Netherlands remains opposed to the death penalty."

Before the execution, the lawyer for Dutchman Soei tweeted that Soei was thankful for the Dutch government's unsuccessful efforts and that he would stand before the firing squad without a blindfold.

The European Union also urged Jakarta not to go ahead with the executions, with foreign policy chief Federica Mogherini calling the plan "deeply regrettable".

Before the executions, Mr Mogherini tried to ramp up pressure on Jakarta, describing the death penalty as "a cruel and inhumane punishment, which fails to act as a deterrent and represents an unacceptable denial of human dignity and integrity".

Amnesty International condemned the move as "seriously regressive and a very sad day.

"The new administration has taken office on the back of promises to make human rights a priority, but the execution of six people flies in the face of these commitments," said Rupert Abbott, Amnesty International's research director for South East Asia and the Pacific.

No presidential pardons under Widodo's hard-line stance

All those executed were caught attempting to smuggle drugs apart from the Dutchman, who was sentenced to death for operating a huge factory producing ecstasy.

Last month Mr Widodo rejected their appeals for clemency, their last chance to avoid the firing squad.

Jakarta stopped capital punishment in 2008 but resumed executions again in 2013. There were no executions in Indonesia last year.

Mr Widodo has taken a particularly hard line towards people on death row for narcotics offences, insisting they will not receive a presidential pardon as Indonesia is facing an "emergency" due to high levels of drug use.

His tough stance has sparked concern for other foreigners sentenced to death, particularly Sukumaran and Chan, who were convicted in 2006.

Sukumaran also had his clemency appeal rejected last month, but the pair's lawyer, Julian McMahon, said that if Chan's clemency application could be deferred - perhaps indefinitely - Sukumaran may also be spared because of the requirement under Indonesian law that prisoners who commit a crime together be executed together.

Mr Abbott called on the Indonesian government to stop plans for future executions after authorities had detailed that 20 were scheduled for this year.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-18/indonesia-executes-six-drug-convicts-most-foreigners/6023518
 
positive effect.. none.

Joko Widodo.. just another joke.. its just people were murdered so its not even close to funny.
 
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indonesia is a state run by gangstas. it's little wonder how they could kill kids for fucking up (these guys were all in their early 20's) and committ genocide in west papua.

fucking scum
 
harmacologist said:
That is true.

It drug laws are wrong imo. But these people TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE DRUG LAWS FOR PROFIT. They are just as bad as the cops, the politicians that keep the laws wrong, and everyone else IN ON THE TRADE.
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I have no love for most drug dealers and honestly when i hear of some low level cracked out drug dealer here getting put in the ICU or the morgue 9 times out of 10 i do say well he knew the risks of dealing drugs. But getting done in by a fellow dealer and done in by the state are 2 different things. It's not like all drug dealers are bad (many simply have no other way to make any real money to actually survive on) and unlike the police and politicians who also make money from the drug trade they can't do much to help make it legal now can they? Indonesia is just another 2 faced country in that region that has state sanctioned murder for drugs cause they have to take a hardline against such decadent western evils 8) yet noone would visit the fuckin dump unless it was for drug tourism anyway.

Australia should boycott Indonesia when it comes to tourism in response. I bet there drug laws would get more lax if no more Aussies went to Indonesia to spend any tourist dollars. It's not like there aren't lot's of other places Australians can go on vacation.
 
sadly it's a bit of a rite of passage for ockas to go to bali to get into shit

the country isn't called arse trailer for no reason
 
kytnism said:
according to the wiki, they all met whilst working for the catering company eurest australia that services the sydney cricket ground, where they were all employed.

...kytnism...:|
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Much of it was planned in a Brunswick St Karaoke bar. From the very next sentence on wiki....

Rush and Czugaj claim they were recruited by fellow defendant and suspected financier of the smuggling plan, Tan Duc Thanh Nguyen, while socialising at a karaoke bar in Brisbane.[24]
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taken from the exact same article, and following the sentence you so carefully quoted, this was the following data.

Evidence was heard that Rush had met Nguyen six months earlier while fishing. He then travelled to Sydney with Nguyen to attend a 21st birthday party where he was introduced to Sukumaran, who called himself "Mark". It was alleged Nguyen offered them free trips to Bali. Several days later Rush and friend Czugaj returned to Sydney, where arrangements were made for them to travel to to Indonesia. Neither had been overseas before. Lawrence had travelled to Bali three times, first arriving on 16 October 2004, then again on 5 December 2004 and 6 April 2005. Norman on 5 December 2004, 19 January 2005 and 6 April 2005; Sukumaran on 4 October 2004 and 8 April 2005; Chan on 16 October 2004 and 6 April 2005 and Nguyen on 5 December 2004 and 8 April 2005. Chen, Stephens, Czugaj and Rush were also on their first trip abroad when arrested on 17 April 2005.
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where A) a definitive location within brisbane was not established nor named? especially in the likes of "brunswick st" other than citing "socialising at a karaoke bar"

and B) again, where all evidence leads to social association within sydney, australia and bali, indonesia.

...kytnism...:|
 
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Bali Nine: AFP's role in case a 'gross error', should be cited when pleading for Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran's lives, lawyer says

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One of the lawyers involved in the Bali Nine drug case says Australian police should never have cooperated with Indonesia given the likelihood of death sentences being imposed.

Brisbane lawyer Robert Myers said the Abbott Government should cite the role played by Australian Federal Police (AFP) in providing intelligence on the trafficking conspiracy when it makes a bid to save the lives of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.

The pair could face the firing squad as early as this year, after the Indonesian Government decided to resume executing drug traffickers and vowed to deny clemency for drug offenders.

AUDIO: Listen to PM's report on calls from one of Indonesia's most respected legal figures for the Australians to be spared. (PM)

Mr Myers became involved in the case after receiving a phone call from his friend Lee Rush, the father of now convicted drug trafficker Scott Rush who is serving a life sentence, before his son left Australia.

"He called me one evening before the boys, well, particularly before Scott left Australia, with a concern that he had received a call to say Scott had an overseas ticket, he had a passport," Mr Myers said.

Indonesia's deadly display of power

The recent executions in Indonesia have been presented as a matter of national pride, with local authorities standing up to the demands of meddling foreigners, writes Jeff Sparrow.
"And so I said, 'Well look, if you've got a concern, I'll call a friend of mine in the Federal Police'. I knew a police officer who was on secondment and that really started the entire thing."

The AFP's liaison officer in Bali, Paul Hunniford, then wrote a three-page letter to the Indonesian police.

"It really said words to the effect of whatever action you see fit to take is quite alright with us, and it seemed to be an open-ended invitation to the Indonesian authorities," Mr Myers said.

"If they wanted to take it beyond surveillance, if they wanted to arrest these people, even wanted to charge them, even wanted to subject them to Indonesian law, that the Australians weren't going to have any problems with that."

Australia in a 'terribly embarrassing situation'

Mr Myers said the AFP's involvement could help assist in saving the lives of Chan and Sukumaran.

"I suspect it may be their only hope now because, as I understand it, the Foreign Minister and the Prime Minister have appealed to Indonesia; it sounds as if the appeals have fallen on deaf ears," he said.

There was no doubt that by allowing the Indonesians to really have cart blanche in relation to the Bali Nine, that all of the Bali Nine were being exposed to the death penalty.
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-Robert Myers, lawyer

"It just struck me as though if the Government, if the Prime Minister could say on behalf of the Australian Government, [that] we find ourselves in a terribly embarrassing situation because this should never have happened in the first place."

He said had the AFP asked for cooperation from the Indonesian authorities about the groups' movements and when they were returning to Australia, the matter could have been dealt with on home soil.

"And if there's an appeal made on a personal basis you'd hope that the president of Indonesia might say, 'Look, I can see you're in an embarrassing situation where our countries are allies... we'd hate to see the Australian Government terribly embarrassed by really a very bad error, a gross error on behalf of the AFP', which was completely contrary to its own restrictions and guidelines.

"There is no doubt that the Attorney-General would have to personally approve the cooperation between foreign entities that could result in the death of Australian citizens, and there was no doubt that by allowing the Indonesians to really have cart blanche in relation to the Bali Nine, that all of the Bali Nine were being exposed to the death penalty."

Mr Myers said he did not know at what level the AFP's decision was made.

"[Mick] Keelty was obviously the officer in charge of the entire show at the time.

"I don't even know if this decision was made by Keelty but one would have thought the buck would have stopped with ... well, the buck stops with the Attorney-General and my understanding is the Attorney-General knew nothing about it."

With some audio clips -

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-19/afps-role-in-bali-nine-case-a-gross-error-lawyer-says/6025152
 
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