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Harm Reduction Attention all Drug Users. Just calling to remind you: STAY THE HELL AWAY FROM METHAMPHETAMINE

It's shit like this that pisses me off the most and think OP is a moron who should get dick slapped daily for making irrelevant and nonsense claims not rooted in any science or evicted. It's very possible to use meth responsibly+be successful and not ruin your life or the lives of the people close to you.

1. Eat food, specifically with protein. Drink water

2. take magnesium, potassium, D3, vitamin c, coq10, fish oil, b vitamins (b9 specifically), etc.
If you're already not doing this you're fucking up.

3. Sleep. For fucks sake, stop smoking all day. Just because you don't "feel" anything doesn't mean you're not tweaked the fuck out. Set a cutoff time, weigh out the amount you're gonna smoke in a day, and put the rest of your shit away. If you know someone you can trust who will keep your shit in check, have them hold it for you. After a while you'll feel how different the entire experience is when you regularly sleep.

4. Hygiene. Take daily showers, brush your fucking teeth, get hair cuts, and trim your nails. Just because you can't smell you doesn't mean other people can't.

5. Take breaks. If you know you're not scheduled to work or have any plans for a few days and will be laying around not doing shit, don't smoke. Or smoke way less. Your tolerance will thank you.

6. Consider eating your meth instead of smoking it. Get a scale, crush your shit, weigh out 5-10mg and fill up gelcaps. The onset might take longer than when smoked but the tradeoff is having a consistent dose.


This is optional but highly recommended if you know what you're doing. Remove impurities/cuts with an acetone wash+recrystallization. Look it up. Not gonna get into it but this is a game changer unless you know for a fact that your shit is clean. And the only way to know for sure is to use reagants to test your shit before and after removing impurities. Also test for fentanyl.

I'm honestly not surprised from all the horror stories about meth, but if you look at the average user and you'll find uneducated people who don't sleep regularly or eat properly.


Also, look up Dr Carl Hart's research if you wanna read about how most drug users don't get addicted.
I know someone who did everything you wrote about taking vitamins, eating food, staying very clean taking showers daily, using it only a few times a year or 1-3 times a month at the very most on weekends, snorting it or swallowing it, never injecting it, plugging it or METH enemas, and he had smoked or vapourized it before but said it is too strong and too easy to keep smoking it, get more and use it all, and when he would use METH snorting it or swallowing it he was not re-dosing, was taking valium to help him sleep, etc.

The odd thing is it sort of leveled him out but he was in a manic state, and since he was diagnosed as being bipolar he stopped using METH and cocaine as the medications he is on make it so he does not get high from them and he does not want to go into mania or get drugs that have fentanyl in them.

98% of people who use METH are not like my friend and become addicted to it and eventually use it daily.
 
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I agree AN KNOW WHY >>>?????? Because all of you and even kids today trying to get something you CANNOT get even though you thought you could get it sorry like trying to race down 1/4 mile with tires spinning the rims down to the axles LMAO !! Surprise the great creator A. SSHULGIN ) never alerted about this???? Yes you will keep that stimulation going till you fry the nodes to point no longer gonna get that super increase in dopamine and forget the Serotonin that was depleted after 3rd or 4th toke from DA CHALET. So like Monkey with hand in Cookie jar; just cannot get the last cookie because will not let it go get your hand out.... this is my ,magic and comes even point of IN FLIGHT REFUELING & what simple asimple food things I will " NOT " tell you ( IT WORKS LIKE refueling F-15 with after burners full on) to eat will literally refuel and then that ICE will keep working a little till you fry the engine >:dancingcat:🧠. Did that once all day pure and well your best CRYSTAAAAAL: is this ------2016 Corvette very powerful and fast
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-Oh sorry to say but this is not some shards throw in glass tube ( borosilicate ) and think gonna fly like super man ; it's a serious process and work work work and self control; hey much like the crew who swap wheels fuel that Indy car with Cam 2 race fuel and probably get diagnostic readout from the ECU? C=Tina is unlocking may 6 nodes BU is opeing12 or more :eek::ursmort:🤭 Also once brian does burn that chem up not going to get more and thus the addiction- thinking smoking more and more will get that original feeling. Best to always think this even when you feel that original rush I do even when eyes are tingling! Sure many of you like me have had Muscle Lock up usually in the thighs HUH? depletion of probably ATP same thing I di body building and lack of Pottasium or other essential minerals needed for muscle contraction. We are not these machines made to run at 230 mph. Use commons sense and not making any of this up; ok. Be safe be smart .
So what exactly did Alexander Shulgin not say? I never took any of his research chems as I did not want to be a lab rat or guinea pig.
 
So what exactly did Alexander Shulgin not say? I never took any of his research chems as I did not want to be a lab rat or guinea pig.
Where would you say research chems start and “normal drugs” begin. Outside of scope of legality. I see it like this, if chemical is around for quite some time, has some scientific research done around it, is close to some well researched drug, doesn’t open up a whole new class of chemicals, has or did have some medical use etc. all influences is it still rightly called research chem.

Take αMT, most commonly people think of it as rc and not drug that had legitimate use as medicine long before hitting RC market. Imho MDMA is more of an rc than αMT, just a more popular RC.

Another good example is Salvia divinorum, maybe it’s used since who knows when but smoking it, smoking potent extracts, very unique pharmacological profile and quite unpredictive effects imho make it more of an RC (well research plant) than, let’s say some close mescaline analogue.

Playing with RCs is playing with fire, that’s sure but with enough knowledge some new exotic drug (but designed by skillful person who has safety of users as priority when making new drugs) might often turn out to be safer than some approved medicine of same class. Sadly most RCs are brought to market with profit in mind as priority so we see disasters ever so often, most of which could have been easily prevented.
 
It's shit like this that pisses me off the most and think OP is a moron who should get dick slapped daily for making irrelevant and nonsense claims not rooted in any science or evicted. It's very possible to use meth responsibly+be successful and not ruin your life or the lives of the people close to you.

1. Eat food, specifically with protein. Drink water

2. take magnesium, potassium, D3, vitamin c, coq10, fish oil, b vitamins (b9 specifically), etc.
If you're already not doing this you're fucking up.

3. Sleep. For fucks sake, stop smoking all day. Just because you don't "feel" anything doesn't mean you're not tweaked the fuck out. Set a cutoff time, weigh out the amount you're gonna smoke in a day, and put the rest of your shit away. If you know someone you can trust who will keep your shit in check, have them hold it for you. After a while you'll feel how different the entire experience is when you regularly sleep.

4. Hygiene. Take daily showers, brush your fucking teeth, get hair cuts, and trim your nails. Just because you can't smell you doesn't mean other people can't.

5. Take breaks. If you know you're not scheduled to work or have any plans for a few days and will be laying around not doing shit, don't smoke. Or smoke way less. Your tolerance will thank you.

6. Consider eating your meth instead of smoking it. Get a scale, crush your shit, weigh out 5-10mg and fill up gelcaps. The onset might take longer than when smoked but the tradeoff is having a consistent dose.


This is optional but highly recommended if you know what you're doing. Remove impurities/cuts with an acetone wash+recrystallization. Look it up. Not gonna get into it but this is a game changer unless you know for a fact that your shit is clean. And the only way to know for sure is to use reagants to test your shit before and after removing impurities. Also test for fentanyl.

I'm honestly not surprised from all the horror stories about meth, but if you look at the average user and you'll find uneducated people who don't sleep regularly or eat properly.


Also, look up Dr Carl Hart's research if you wanna read about how most drug users don't get addicted.
As good as this advices is it ignores the nature of addiction for some people.
Everyone is different and has different reasons for using/dealing with addiction.

Calling addicts morons and saying they are all uneducated is a bit antiquated given how much research points to it being an illness.
Many well educated people have dealt with addictions that spiralled out of control
 
Thankfully it's extremely rare where I'm from otherwise I'm afraid I might've tried it. God knows what could've happened if so. I think your summary might be one of the scariest, if not THE scariest writeup of what a drug can do to you. Congrats on beating this beast

Thank you brother for that encouragement! It is still truly an ongoing battle though, as cliche and corny as thay sounds. Even though I know its never going to be as good and pleasurable as it once was back on the day, and even though I know just how dark and miserable my life can and will get on this drug, it still temps me. It is so f'ed up dude. That desire is always there. You're always going to have one part of you wanting it and another part wanting to stay the hell away; its all a matter of how balanced or unbalanced that ratio is IMO/IME.

I feel like as long as the majority of yourself wants to stay away, you can keep it under control. For instance, if one is at a point where having 75 percent of yourself is wanting to stay away, and 25 percent is wanting to use, then you are good. But if you hit a point in life when the ratios get inversed, then that's when you are truly in danger of a relapse.

Tbh, lately, I just lost my job, and I am out on the street (although I was out on the street when I was working, its just more stressful now that Im not working). I've been feeling more like 60/40 (60 percent wanting to stay away, 40 wanting to use, that is), but I know if I go back I am going to be completely miserable.

Not to mention I am truly terrified of getting "Fentanylized" meth, so that is helping me to stay away. But I'd be lying if I said it has not been way more tempting this week than it has been for a while. No relapse yet though, thankfully. (And I don't count eating it once as a relapse, just a slip up. Its only when I shoot it that I go back in full relapse. But even a slip up leads to an out of wack ratio that can quickly lead to a full relapse, so I just try to play it safe by not even allowing a slip up --- all that being said, no "slip ups" either. Not since July 4th and 5th of last year). It sounds so illogical to even think about going back, yet a part of me for some fucked up reason sincerely wants to, sometimes. It simply cannot be explained.

Meth is such a fucked up drug, and I honestly would not wish Meth addiction on my worst damn enemy. Opiate addiction honestly doesn't feel so dark. Sure all addiction is misery-inducing, but Meth addiction sucks every ounce of inner peace out and fills you instead with chaos and darkness and fear and hopelessness and bleakness.

And it is so damn hard to get back on track once you relapse. And the shame causes you to further descend deeper and deeper into use/abuse which causes even more shame, becoming a never ending cycle. But its like damn man, sometimes I just want one night of that major euphoria and watching porn all night, but I really don't want all the demonic shit that comes with it. And it really seems like with the last few slip ups that the euphoria was not that great to begin with, and it quickly puts you right back into the chaos and darkness that you left off last time. Like instant "life ruin" and instantly picking up right where you left off in your previous addiction; like in literally no time at all. Its like nothing I've ever seen. I know it just ain't worth it, yet the emotional, reptile brain is screaming "Yes it is worth it. It'll be fine. Just one and done." Ugh. But once I have a plug again I know it won't be one and done. Ya know? And, again, its not like it hard to fine here in the south. Haven't tried it yet since ive got to TX a few months ago, but Ive always heard Texas dope is the best in the states (not sure how true that is). But you also gotta remember, TX is where part of the Mexican border is. And from what I hear, Fentanyl is pouring in more than ever with Biden's retarded open border policy.

I had to come back to this thread and get some encouragement cause lately I have been thinking about having one little throw down, or maybe a week long binge even. But I know that is a bad idea
 
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As good as this advices is it ignores the nature of addiction for some people.
Everyone is different and has different reasons for using/dealing with addiction.

Calling addicts morons and saying they are all uneducated is a bit antiquated given how much research points to it being an illness.
Many well educated people have dealt with addictions that spiralled out of control

You sir are what's known as "someone who is NOT an over-generalizing, contemptuous asswipe." Unfortunately, I cannot say the same for the stable genius you are responding to. He is what's known as "someone who IS an over-generalizing, contemptuous asswipe." BTW, I love the User name. I'm a huge fan of the Big Lebowski lol
 
Thank you brother for that encouragement! It is still truly an ongoing battle though, as cliche and corny as thay sounds. Even though I know its never going to be as good and pleasurable as it once was back on the day, and even though I know just how dark and miserable my life can and will get on this drug, it still temps me. It is so f'ed up dude. That desire is always there. You're always going to have one part of you wanting it and another part wanting to stay the hell away; its all a matter of how balanced or unbalanced that ratio is IMO/IME.

I feel like as long as the majority of yourself wants to stay away, you can keep it under control. For instance, if one is at a point where having 75 percent of yourself is wanting to stay away, and 25 percent is wanting to use, then you are good. But if you hit a point in life when the ratios get inversed, then that's when you are truly in danger of a relapse.

Tbh, lately, I just lost my job, and I am out on the street (although I was out on the street when O was working, its just more stressful now that Im not working). I've been feeling more like 60/40 (60 percent wanting to stay away, 40 wanting to use, that is), but I know if I go back I am going to be completely miserable.

Not to mention I am truly terrified of getting "Fentanylized" meth, so that is helping me to stay away. But I'd be lying if I said it has not been way more tempting this week than it has been for a while. No relapse yet though, thankfully. (And I don't count eating it once as a relapse, just a slip up. Its only when I shoot it that I go back infull relapse. But even a slip up leads to an out of wack ratio that can quickly lead to a full relapse, so I just try to play it safe by bot even allowing a slip up). It sounds so illogical to even think about going back, yet a part of me for some fucked reason sincerely wants to.

Meth is such a fucked up drug, and I honestly would not wish Meth addiction on my worst damn enemy. Opiate addiction honestly doesn't feel so dark. Sure all addiction is misery-inducing, but Meth addiction sucks every ounce of inner peace out and feels you instead with chaos and darkness and fear and hopelessness and bleakness.

And it is so damn hard to get back on track once you relapse. And the shame causes you to further descend deeper and deeper which causes even more shame, becoming a never ending cycle. But its like damn man, sometimes I just want one night of major euphoria and watching porn all night, but I really don't want all the demonic shit that comes with it. And it really seems like the last few slip ups that the euphoria was not that great to begin with, and it quickly puts you right back into the chaos and darkness that you left off last time. Like instant "life ruin." I know it just ain't worth it, yet the emotional, reptile brain is screaming" Yes it is worth it. It'll be fine. Just one and done." Ugh. But once I have a plug again I know it won't be one and done

You’ve already shown incredible strength in breaking the cycle.
Don’t let yourself forget that. Keep going dude.
It will get better
 
One thing almost all addictive substances have in common is their ability to amplify negative self talk and internal dialogue when so much of it is untrue.

Anytime you catch yourself repeating an old thought cycle anything you can do to redirect the thought pattern helps rewire the brain towards more positive thinking, neurons that fire together wire together.

I often have to tell me internal thoughts to stfu and focus on anything positive no matter how small or insignificant it may seem.

It breaks the thought cycles but by bit and you gain strength every time you do this.

Much respect in taking the first steps man. Every journey starts with a single step to quote an old philosopher whose name escapes me for now..might’ve been Confucius but I’m not sure.
Good advice either way
 
One thing almost all addictive substances have in common is their ability to amplify negative self talk and internal dialogue when so much of it is untrue.

Anytime you catch yourself repeating an old thought cycle anything you can do to redirect the thought pattern helps rewire the brain towards more positive thinking, neurons that fire together wire together.

I often have to tell me internal thoughts to stfu and focus on anything positive no matter how small or insignificant it may seem.

It breaks the thought cycles but by bit and you gain strength every time you do this.

Much respect in taking the first steps man. Every journey starts with a single step to quote an old philosopher whose name escapes me for now..might’ve been Confucius but I’m not sure.
Good advice either way

Dude this reminds me of something I was just looking into the other day, that I really want to study more. They are called "Cognitive Distortions" and I am guilty of almost every type. You should check this out

 
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Dude this reminds me of something I was just looking into the other day, that I really want to study more. They are called "Cognitive Distortions" and I am guilty of almost every type. You should check this out

l look into it man.

Most people do this kind of thing without realising, or thinking it’s something no one else suffers from so they don’t bring it up in out of fear of judgement
 
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I ve lived in Italy and in the Uk and now I live in Brazil, in all these countries meth basically does not exists (even if I m reading here that is hitting the UK atm). I have tried it once ( a freebie from a "generous "Deep web vendor) and hated every second of it, but you never know, I used to despise cocaine and now I m snorting one-two grams per day, probably in this period of my life if meth was as easily available as cocaine is available down here I would do it... everything I know about this drug comes basically from my first and last experience, Breaking Bad and what I read here on BL, it really looks a scary shit, but I m also skeptical of "just say no". I don t wanna argue with you , actually I would like to know more about the subject, what makes you think that meth is so to say "intrinsically evil " and cannot possibly be used responsibly or at least not in a total reckless way? Just curious .

Well, I never said that it cannot be used responsibly. It technically can. What I am saying is that, it feels so damned good, that as the twists and turns life keeps going it can go from a really fun party and sex drug, to the total lord and god of your entire life.

No other drug can touch it in terms of Dopamine boost. I wanna say that coke only raises Dopamine by 150 percent to 200. I wanna say heroin can raise Dopamine by 200 to 300 percent. Dont quote me on those numbers but its in that ball park.

Again, meth at a minimum raises Dopamine by 1500 percent and 4000 percent maximum. It makes every aspect of life feel absolutely AWESOME during the fun "honeymoon" phase. Just a complete blast, almost benevolent feeling. But it can eventually swallow up your entire life. And it can completely erode your mind. IME, people would come up to me and say the things I was thinking and taunt me with my own thoughts. As if I could hear people's personal demons speaking from within them to me in their own voice.

Not to mention Jacking off watching porn for 8 hours straight, which is an intense addiction in and of itself... Until it total ruins your sex drive and you can no longer get a boner at all.

Also, intense paranoia. I mean thinking that the government has implanted chips in your brain, reading your thoughts, outyting camera contact lens in your eyes whenever you do sleep. Having people follow you around seeing them spy on you. Believing that your whole family has been killed and replaced with Reptilian hybrids. Even convinced myself for a while that I was the only entity that truly existed and everyone else was a figment of my imagination; that I was both God and the devil as one in one body. Walking the streets late at night one time and hearing this demonic entity saying "help" in this taunting disingenuous voice and then laughing when I tried to say "whats wrong?" Seeing this black square that was floating in the wind at a cross road in the middle of the night that then hit the ground and shape shifted into a headless "Hellhound." Hearing the devil speak to me on the radio. Being convinced that I had died and was trapped in purgatory. The list goes on and on and on and on.

I've experienced some of the most evil and fucked up things imaginable on that drug. Being utterly convinced that your friends and family are trying to kill you or set you up with a meth lab. People telling you that they are fallen gods who worship "the true holy father, Satan." Being paralyzed in fear all night with chanting whispering all around your head all night.

And you get to the point where you actually begin to enjoy the fear and paranoia. I don't know how to describe it, but you begin to have sick pleasure from obsessing about crazy shit like that. Seeing voodoo witch doctors turning a mason jar of hose water into Black Liquorice liquor, and your gf chanting Satanic voodoo shit laughing evily. And all that crazy evil shit seems realer than real. You become utterly convinced of shit like the Reptilian replacement theory. I was convinced one Christmas that my Dad was trying to kill my Mom.

I used to call it the perfect mixture of fear and pleasure. And no matter how fucked up things get, you feel utterly miserable without the drug. Like bursting into tears for no reason because you are so fucking depressed without it, but as soon as you do it, you are digging in your walls convinced that your drug dealer neighbor planted a shit ton of drugs in your walls so that he can call the cops of you and bust you for 20 years. Fucking completely miserable both on it and off it. It gets to the point where you cannot function at work. I eventually flipped out because everyone was reading my mind and taunting me and I just started throwing 50 lb bags anywhere but the pallet to basically say "fuck yall. Am I doing a good job boss?"

Like I said, I've been addicted to many a drug, but none of them ever took complete control over my life like meth. The rush when you shoot it is so out of this world pleasurable that it literally takes complete control of your life. Your life is nothing but fear and chaos, but with intense pleasure in the midst.

Again, you're miserable both on it and without it. Wanting to jump out in front of a semi truck because your tired of being around all the Reptilian imposters taunting you every day. Being convinced sometimes you're in a simulation.

But it feels so damn good that you can't forget the feeling. I can sometimes think about shooting it and I can almost start to feel the rush. The drug causes INTENSE cravings unlike anything Ive ever had. Heroin and morphine have nothing on the meth cravings, nor dies Crack. Again, once you know what it feels like you cannot unlearn it. You can be using responsibly, but once life takes a turn for the worst, why would you not want to have every single thing feel totally fucking awesome for 12 hours straight? It feels like my brain goes from broken and disjointed to suddenly where I can think of multiple thoughts at once, and endless philosophical thought loops of pleasure and satisfaction. I could day dream but my fantasies felt real like they were going to ine day happen. Not to mention the sex fantasies. And actual sex felt like you were living a sex fantasy or like you were a Porn star. Sex was UNREAL. I'm shaking rn thinking about it and I haven't had the drug in almost a year.

But the thing is, once the honeymoon phase wheres off it never comes back, but yet you still crave it for the rest of your life as if you were still in that phase. Except when you go back you almost immediately return to the fucked up, dark shit that I described.

Back it the day, in the beginning, it was all fun and very little draw back. That WAS the "responsible" phase. No paranoia, no hallucinations, no fear or anxiety. Just pure euphoria and crazy libido boost and pleasurable rambling to people for hours on end. But once it becomes that "perfect mix of fear and pleasure" i discribed after become hooked on it daily IV, it never returns to the pure fun "innocent" honey moon phase. And its so cheap and available that it is hard to get away from, especially when you have those INTENSE cravings.

You are simply better off never knowing what it feels like, because then you don't have a chance of it completely taking over your life. Better safe than sorry because you don't know if you are going to become hooked, and it can happen even if you don't think it will. And once you've opened that flood gate you can never fully shut it. And like I said, once you go back, it immediately goes right back to where you left off in terms of darkness and chaos, at least IME.

It actually didn't seem evil at all back in the day. It was just a pure exhilarating blast. Thats how it gets you. It is nothing but an utter deception. Like I literally shudder at the thought of entering that darkness again; it scares me to my core, yet also excites me. Its such a fucked up and contradictory feeling.

Its like the curtain of reality is pulled up, and you are literally in hell on Earth until you can manage to somehow get back off it. And it takes at least a year for the cravings to become at least bearable. But even at the two year mark (which is the longest I've ever made it) all I have to do is think about using and My hands start shaking my heart racing and I can feel this dark faint euphoria that causes the cravings to come back even harder. I really dont know how to describe it, but I feel like I'll never fully be free from it. Which is scarier now more than ever, because of the risk of Fentanyl cross contamination.

All I can say is just dont try it, and I don't say that about any drug. I mean, I don't necessarily condone ANY drug use, but Meth is the only drug that i will flate out tell folks to just stay the hell away from it, and I've done everything from crack to shooting heroin, to special K to acid and tons of drugs in between.

If you must get geeked on something speedy, just do Adderall. It doesn't have any where near the pull meth can have. And even as a weekend user of meth, you are already becoming hooked, because the only thing you are looking forward to is the weekends with meth. Even rn I want to get geeked up, even though I literally now dispise Methamphetamine. It could just be me, but my advice is to stay the fuck away from it. The pull it has is, I would describe, as almost supernatural. But I would only describe it that way once you've got hooked daily and then try to quit.

I literally feel that I am never going to fully escape this drug, and it's miserable. Coke, even really good coke, just isn't a comparison in terms of pull. Hell, the pull of Crack doesn't even compare. The last time I did crack was in 2017 and I've had it literally in my face 4 or 5 times Since then, and it didn't have the anywhere near the same pull as meth. The only solution for others I can think of is just don't try it. I truly identify with the "Meth bot even once" skogan even though I used to make fun of it back in the "responsible" days. If you don't try it then it won't ruin your life. There is no point. Nothing on Earth is ever going to raise Dopamine to that point (except maybe Flakka, which is even worse) and nothing good can come from knowing that level of Dopamine release. At best, life is never going to compare to when you tried meth, but at worst you risk your life and mind and freedom and practically your soul to the drug; sounds cliche but it is absolutely true in this case. You're better off just not knowing what it feels like, because its like switching on a light that you can never turn off.

There is also a good chance you had something called Isopropylbenzelymine if you did not feel much from the meth. It looks exactly like clean ice and cracks back the same, smokes the same, same melting point, taste, burns the same when snorted, ect. But it has no effects. It was being sold as meth for a while (and probably still is). I used to get it sometimes and it is infuriatingly disappointing. If you did get tweaky but no euphoria it could be MCAT or just shitty quality meth. Or you didn't do enough, or you did not do it "your" way. Personally, smoking it usually doesn't do much for me, but others love it. Many dont like eating it but eating feels almost just like shooting to me minus the IV rush (a rush that will blow your fucking hair back lol) or you may be one of the rare few who just dont feel good from it (which would be something you should consider yourself lucky for, if that is indeed the case). Much much more can be said, but I feel ive said far too much as it is. My point is that it IS intrinsically evil, and the most cunning evil deceives you and convinces you that it is good whenever it as actually indeed evil.

Sorry for any spelling errors I rushed through this and don't really want to read it or talk to much about it
 
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Well, I never said that it cannot be used responsibly. It technically can. What I am saying is that, it feels so damned good, that as the twists and turns life keeps going it can go from a really fun party and sex drug, to the total lord and god of your entire life.

No other drug can touch it in terms of Dopamine boost. I wanna say that coke only raises Dopamine by 150 percent to 200. I wanna say heroin can raise Dopamine by 200 to 300 percent. Dont quote me on those numbers but its in that ball park.

Again, meth at a minimum raises Dopamine by 1500 percent and 4000 percent maximum. It makes every aspect of life feel absolutely AWESOME during the fun "honeymoon" phase. Just a complete blast, almost benevolent feeling. But it can eventually swallow up your entire life. And it can completely erode your mind. IME, people would come up to me and say the things I was thinking and taunt me with my own thoughts. As if I could hear people's personal demons speaking from within them to me in their own voice.

Not to mention Jacking off watching porn for 8 hours straight, which is an intense addiction in and of itself... Until it total ruins your sex drive and you can no longer get a boner at all.

Also, intense paranoia. I mean thinking that the government has implanted chips in your brain, reading your thoughts, outyting camera contact lens in your eyes whenever you do sleep. Having people follow you around seeing them spy on you. Believing that your whole family has been killed and replaced with Reptilian hybrids. Even convinced myself for a while that I was the only entity that truly existed and everyone else was a figment of my imagination; that I was both God and the devil as one in one body. Walking the streets late at night one time and hearing this demonic entity saying "help" in this taunting disingenuous voice and then laughing when I tried to say "whats wrong?" Seeing this black square that was floating in the wind at a cross road in the middle of the night that then hit the ground and shape shifted into a headless "Hellhound." Hearing the devil speak to me on the radio. Being convinced that I had died and was trapped in purgatory. The list goes on and on and on and on.

I've experienced some of the most evil and fucked up things imaginable on that drug. Being utterly convinced that your friends and family are trying to kill you or set you up with a meth lab. People telling you that they are fallen gods who worship "the true holy father, Satan." Being paralyzed in fear all night with chanting whispering all around your head all night.

And you get to the point where you actually begin to enjoy the fear and paranoia. I don't know how to describe it, but you begin to have sick pleasure from obsessing about crazy shit like that. Seeing voodoo witch doctors turning a mason jar of hose water into Black Liquorice liquor, and your gf chanting Satanic voodoo shit laughing evily. And all that crazy evil shit seems realer than real. You become utterly convinced of shit like the Reptilian replacement theory. I was convinced one Christmas that my Dad was trying to kill my Mom.

I used to call it the perfect mixture of fear and pleasure. And no matter how fucked up things get, you feel utterly miserable without the drug. Like bursting into tears for no reason because you are so fucking depressed without it, but as soon as you do it, you are digging in your walls convinced that your drug dealer neighbor planted a shit ton of drugs in your walls so that he can call the cops of you and bust you for 20 years. Fucking completely miserable both on it and off it. It gets to the point where you cannot function at work. I eventually flipped out because everyone was reading my mind and taunting me and I just started throwing 50 lb bags anywhere but the pallet to basically say "fuck yall. Am I doing a good job boss?"

Like I said, I've been addicted to many a drug, but none of them ever took complete control over my life like meth. The rush when you shoot it is so out of this world pleasurable that it literally takes complete control of your life. Your life is nothing but fear and chaos, but with intense pleasure in the midst.

Again, you're miserable both on it and without it. Wanting to jump out in front of a semi truck because your tired of being around all the Reptilian imposters taunting you every day. Being convinced sometimes you're in a simulation.

But it feels so damn good that you can't forget the feeling. I can sometimes think about shooting it and I can almost start to feel the rush. The drug causes INTENSE cravings unlike anything Ive ever had. Heroin and morphine have nothing on the meth cravings, nor dies Crack. Again, once you know what it feels like you cannot unlearn it. You can be using responsibly, but once life takes a turn for the worst, why would you not want to have every single thing feel totally fucking awesome for 12 hours straight? It feels like my brain goes from broken and disjointed to suddenly where I can think of multiple thoughts at once, and endless philosophical thought loops of pleasure and satisfaction. I could day dream but my fantasies felt real like they were going to ine day happen. Not to mention the sex fantasies. And actual sex felt like you were living a sex fantasy or like you were a Porn star. Sex was UNREAL. I'm shaking rn thinking about it and I haven't had the drug in almost a year.

But the thing is, once the honeymoon phase wheres off it never comes back, but yet you still crave it for the rest of your life as if you were still in that phase. Except when you go back you almost immediately return to the fucked up, dark shit that I described.

Back it the day, in the beginning, it was all fun and very little draw back. That WAS the "responsible" phase. No paranoia, no hallucinations, no fear or anxiety. Just pure euphoria and crazy libido boost and pleasurable rambling to people for hours on end. But once it becomes that "perfect mix of fear and pleasure" i discribed after become hooked on it daily IV, it never returns to the pure fun "innocent" honey moon phase. And its so cheap and available that it is hard to get away from, especially when you have those INTENSE cravings.

You are simply better off never knowing what it feels like, because then you don't have a chance of it completely taking over your life. Better safe than sorry because you don't know if you are going to become hooked, and it can happen even if you don't think it will. And once you've opened that flood gate you can never fully shut it. And like I said, once you go back, it immediately goes right back to where you left off in terms of darkness and chaos, at least IME.

It actually didn't seem evil at all back in the day. It was just a pure exhilarating blast. Thats how it gets you. It is nothing but an utter deception. Like I literally shudder at the thought of entering that darkness again; it scares me to my core, yet also excites me. Its such a fucked up and contradictory feeling.

Its like the curtain of reality is pulled up, and you are literally in hell on Earth until you can manage to somehow get back off it. And it takes at least a year for the cravings to become at least bearable. But even at the two year mark (which is the longest I've ever made it) all I have to do is think about using and My hands start shaking my heart racing and I can feel this dark faint euphoria that causes the cravings to come back even harder. I really dont know how to describe it, but I feel like I'll never fully be free from it. Which is scarier now more than ever, because of the risk of Fentanyl cross contamination.

All I can say is just dont try it, and I don't say that about any drug. I mean, I don't necessarily condone ANY drug use, but Meth is the only drug that i will flate out tell folks to just stay the hell away from it, and I've done everything from crack to shooting heroin, to special K to acid and tons of drugs in between.

If you must get geeked on something speedy, just do Adderall. It doesn't have any where near the pull meth can have. And even as a weekend user of meth, you are already becoming hooked, because the only thing you are looking forward to is the weekends with meth. Even rn I want to get geeked up, even though I literally now dispise Methamphetamine. It could just be me, but my advice is to stay the fuck away from it. The pull it has is, I would describe, as almost supernatural. But I would only describe it that way once you've got hooked daily and then try to quit.

I literally feel that I am never going to fully escape this drug, and it's miserable. Coke, even really good coke, just isn't a comparison in terms of pull. Hell, the pull of Crack doesn't even compare. The last time I did crack was in 2017 and I've had it literally in my face 4 or 5 times Since then, and it didn't have the anywhere near the same pull as meth. The only solution for others I can think of is just don't try it. I truly identify with the "Meth bot even once" skogan even though I used to make fun of it back in the "responsible" days. If you don't try it then it won't ruin your life. There is no point. Nothing on Earth is ever going to raise Dopamine to that point (except maybe Flakka, which is even worse) and nothing good can come from knowing that level of Dopamine release. At best, life is never going to compare to when you tried meth, but at worst you risk your life and mind and freedom and practically your soul to the drug; sounds cliche but it is absolutely true in this case. You're better off just not knowing what it feels like, because its like switching on a light that you can never turn off.

There is also a good chance you had something called Isopropylbenzelymine if you did not feel much from the meth. It looks exactly like clean ice and cracks back the same, smokes the same, same melting point, taste, burns the same when snorted, ect. But it has no effects. It was being sold as meth for a while (and probably still is). I used to get it sometimes and it is infuriatingly disappointing. If you did get tweaky but no euphoria it could be MCAT or just shitty quality meth. Or you didn't do enough, or you did not do it "your" way. Personally, smoking it usually doesn't do much for me, but others love it. Many dont like eating it but eating feels almost just like shooting to me minus the IV rush (a rush that will blow your fucking hair back lol) or you may be one of the rare few who just dont feel good from it (which would be something you should consider yourself lucky for, if that is indeed the case). Much much more can be said, but I feel ive said far too much as it is. My point is that it IS intrinsically evil, and the most cunning evil deceives you and convinces you that it is good whenever it as actually indeed evil.

Sorry for any spelling errors I rushed through this and don't really want to read it or talk to much about it
Respect on getting to where you are now man. It’s not easy so you should feel good about doing well

If you’re already not up to talkin about it skip this and come back to it later if you want.
Was just going to say you aren’t alone in those experiences

The age we live in is on par with medieval witch burnings in terms of technology and the paranoia it can induce.
Meth amplifies that shit so much, plus being awake for days distorts your perceptions to the point of hallucinations and it just snowballs from there.
I mean I’ve hallucinated some demonic distortions on people’s faces on acid but it’s easier to just blame the trip with lsd.
Not so much with meth, last time I did it I showed up to a mates to grab some then didn’t leave for like 5 days. I must’ve said or done something really fucked up coz he wouldn’t take my calls after that and this is someone i had known since we were kids, who has also had friends cut ties over his lifestyle choices. Still won’t talk to me or answer messages that were just me asking what happened and apologising.
Don’t know what I did or said but it was enough to shut that down for good.

I used to be so against “just say no” but with meth that’s about where I’m at with it. Unless I’m talking to someone who has had dark experiences with it then I’ll go into a bit of depth as to why.

It sucks too coz so many people were given add meds as kids that as adults they turn to ice trying to self medicate and after the short term gain things just go downhill
 
@User145667 hi, thanks a lot for sharing your story and if it can help someone to not fuck with meth the better. Personally as I might have already told u I am- was addicted to opioids (smack in the EU, oxys in South America) and coke ( here in SA) , cautionary tales about smack abounds but this never stopped silly old me, hopefully there are some brighter ones out there that will het the message without having to learn it the hard way. To me is just hypothetical anyay cos there s no meth here ( and when I have tried pharma amps such as Ritalin I hated them, for amphetamines are really not my thing) but I was thinking
You're better off just not knowing what it feels like, because its like switching on a light that you can never turn off.
cannot it be said about EVERY hard drug? I know that even if one day I will quit opioids for good, I ll ALWAYS be an opioid addict- I ll always have fond memories of opioids no matter what but that s because they are exactly what I was looking after in a substance. With cocaine...it just happened, no oxys- good affordable coke everywhere- pawns - unfulfillable work tasks+ "hey is not an opioid tyhe w-d are just mental" = a disaster, at times I was snorting 3-4 grams per day and I m just controlling tyhe thing because oxys have made a triumphant come back in my life. I have just tasted the life of a coke addict and I ll choose opioid adiiction over it anytime- meth sounds way worse, maybe cos it s cheaper- last longer- has more damaging effects on the brain. Do you think that it also depends on the ROA (Ivving?) for instance I think that I have managed to stay relatively functional because I don t IV (the more ruined ones I ve met were Ivving H and coke) , so in terms of harm addiction the take home message should be " stay away from meth but ESPECIALLY from needless" or do u think that it can fuck u up independently from the ROA? Congrats on your progress and if talking about it triggers u sorry and feel free to ignore this question.
 
Well, I never said that it cannot be used responsibly. It technically can. What I am saying is that, it feels so damned good, that as the twists and turns life keeps going it can go from a really fun party and sex drug, to the total lord and god of your entire life.

No other drug can touch it in terms of Dopamine boost. I wanna say that coke only raises Dopamine by 150 percent to 200. I wanna say heroin can raise Dopamine by 200 to 300 percent. Dont quote me on those numbers but its in that ball park.

Again, meth at a minimum raises Dopamine by 1500 percent and 4000 percent maximum. It makes every aspect of life feel absolutely AWESOME during the fun "honeymoon" phase. Just a complete blast, almost benevolent feeling. But it can eventually swallow up your entire life. And it can completely erode your mind. IME, people would come up to me and say the things I was thinking and taunt me with my own thoughts. As if I could hear people's personal demons speaking from within them to me in their own voice.

Not to mention Jacking off watching porn for 8 hours straight, which is an intense addiction in and of itself... Until it total ruins your sex drive and you can no longer get a boner at all.

Also, intense paranoia. I mean thinking that the government has implanted chips in your brain, reading your thoughts, outyting camera contact lens in your eyes whenever you do sleep. Having people follow you around seeing them spy on you. Believing that your whole family has been killed and replaced with Reptilian hybrids. Even convinced myself for a while that I was the only entity that truly existed and everyone else was a figment of my imagination; that I was both God and the devil as one in one body. Walking the streets late at night one time and hearing this demonic entity saying "help" in this taunting disingenuous voice and then laughing when I tried to say "whats wrong?" Seeing this black square that was floating in the wind at a cross road in the middle of the night that then hit the ground and shape shifted into a headless "Hellhound." Hearing the devil speak to me on the radio. Being convinced that I had died and was trapped in purgatory. The list goes on and on and on and on.

I've experienced some of the most evil and fucked up things imaginable on that drug. Being utterly convinced that your friends and family are trying to kill you or set you up with a meth lab. People telling you that they are fallen gods who worship "the true holy father, Satan." Being paralyzed in fear all night with chanting whispering all around your head all night.

And you get to the point where you actually begin to enjoy the fear and paranoia. I don't know how to describe it, but you begin to have sick pleasure from obsessing about crazy shit like that. Seeing voodoo witch doctors turning a mason jar of hose water into Black Liquorice liquor, and your gf chanting Satanic voodoo shit laughing evily. And all that crazy evil shit seems realer than real. You become utterly convinced of shit like the Reptilian replacement theory. I was convinced one Christmas that my Dad was trying to kill my Mom.

I used to call it the perfect mixture of fear and pleasure. And no matter how fucked up things get, you feel utterly miserable without the drug. Like bursting into tears for no reason because you are so fucking depressed without it, but as soon as you do it, you are digging in your walls convinced that your drug dealer neighbor planted a shit ton of drugs in your walls so that he can call the cops of you and bust you for 20 years. Fucking completely miserable both on it and off it. It gets to the point where you cannot function at work. I eventually flipped out because everyone was reading my mind and taunting me and I just started throwing 50 lb bags anywhere but the pallet to basically say "fuck yall. Am I doing a good job boss?"

Like I said, I've been addicted to many a drug, but none of them ever took complete control over my life like meth. The rush when you shoot it is so out of this world pleasurable that it literally takes complete control of your life. Your life is nothing but fear and chaos, but with intense pleasure in the midst.

Again, you're miserable both on it and without it. Wanting to jump out in front of a semi truck because your tired of being around all the Reptilian imposters taunting you every day. Being convinced sometimes you're in a simulation.

But it feels so damn good that you can't forget the feeling. I can sometimes think about shooting it and I can almost start to feel the rush. The drug causes INTENSE cravings unlike anything Ive ever had. Heroin and morphine have nothing on the meth cravings, nor dies Crack. Again, once you know what it feels like you cannot unlearn it. You can be using responsibly, but once life takes a turn for the worst, why would you not want to have every single thing feel totally fucking awesome for 12 hours straight? It feels like my brain goes from broken and disjointed to suddenly where I can think of multiple thoughts at once, and endless philosophical thought loops of pleasure and satisfaction. I could day dream but my fantasies felt real like they were going to ine day happen. Not to mention the sex fantasies. And actual sex felt like you were living a sex fantasy or like you were a Porn star. Sex was UNREAL. I'm shaking rn thinking about it and I haven't had the drug in almost a year.

But the thing is, once the honeymoon phase wheres off it never comes back, but yet you still crave it for the rest of your life as if you were still in that phase. Except when you go back you almost immediately return to the fucked up, dark shit that I described.

Back it the day, in the beginning, it was all fun and very little draw back. That WAS the "responsible" phase. No paranoia, no hallucinations, no fear or anxiety. Just pure euphoria and crazy libido boost and pleasurable rambling to people for hours on end. But once it becomes that "perfect mix of fear and pleasure" i discribed after become hooked on it daily IV, it never returns to the pure fun "innocent" honey moon phase. And its so cheap and available that it is hard to get away from, especially when you have those INTENSE cravings.

You are simply better off never knowing what it feels like, because then you don't have a chance of it completely taking over your life. Better safe than sorry because you don't know if you are going to become hooked, and it can happen even if you don't think it will. And once you've opened that flood gate you can never fully shut it. And like I said, once you go back, it immediately goes right back to where you left off in terms of darkness and chaos, at least IME.

It actually didn't seem evil at all back in the day. It was just a pure exhilarating blast. Thats how it gets you. It is nothing but an utter deception. Like I literally shudder at the thought of entering that darkness again; it scares me to my core, yet also excites me. Its such a fucked up and contradictory feeling.

Its like the curtain of reality is pulled up, and you are literally in hell on Earth until you can manage to somehow get back off it. And it takes at least a year for the cravings to become at least bearable. But even at the two year mark (which is the longest I've ever made it) all I have to do is think about using and My hands start shaking my heart racing and I can feel this dark faint euphoria that causes the cravings to come back even harder. I really dont know how to describe it, but I feel like I'll never fully be free from it. Which is scarier now more than ever, because of the risk of Fentanyl cross contamination.

All I can say is just dont try it, and I don't say that about any drug. I mean, I don't necessarily condone ANY drug use, but Meth is the only drug that i will flate out tell folks to just stay the hell away from it, and I've done everything from crack to shooting heroin, to special K to acid and tons of drugs in between.

If you must get geeked on something speedy, just do Adderall. It doesn't have any where near the pull meth can have. And even as a weekend user of meth, you are already becoming hooked, because the only thing you are looking forward to is the weekends with meth. Even rn I want to get geeked up, even though I literally now dispise Methamphetamine. It could just be me, but my advice is to stay the fuck away from it. The pull it has is, I would describe, as almost supernatural. But I would only describe it that way once you've got hooked daily and then try to quit.

I literally feel that I am never going to fully escape this drug, and it's miserable. Coke, even really good coke, just isn't a comparison in terms of pull. Hell, the pull of Crack doesn't even compare. The last time I did crack was in 2017 and I've had it literally in my face 4 or 5 times Since then, and it didn't have the anywhere near the same pull as meth. The only solution for others I can think of is just don't try it. I truly identify with the "Meth bot even once" skogan even though I used to make fun of it back in the "responsible" days. If you don't try it then it won't ruin your life. There is no point. Nothing on Earth is ever going to raise Dopamine to that point (except maybe Flakka, which is even worse) and nothing good can come from knowing that level of Dopamine release. At best, life is never going to compare to when you tried meth, but at worst you risk your life and mind and freedom and practically your soul to the drug; sounds cliche but it is absolutely true in this case. You're better off just not knowing what it feels like, because its like switching on a light that you can never turn off.

There is also a good chance you had something called Isopropylbenzelymine if you did not feel much from the meth. It looks exactly like clean ice and cracks back the same, smokes the same, same melting point, taste, burns the same when snorted, ect. But it has no effects. It was being sold as meth for a while (and probably still is). I used to get it sometimes and it is infuriatingly disappointing. If you did get tweaky but no euphoria it could be MCAT or just shitty quality meth. Or you didn't do enough, or you did not do it "your" way. Personally, smoking it usually doesn't do much for me, but others love it. Many dont like eating it but eating feels almost just like shooting to me minus the IV rush (a rush that will blow your fucking hair back lol) or you may be one of the rare few who just dont feel good from it (which would be something you should consider yourself lucky for, if that is indeed the case). Much much more can be said, but I feel ive said far too much as it is. My point is that it IS intrinsically evil, and the most cunning evil deceives you and convinces you that it is good whenever it as actually indeed evil.

Sorry for any spelling errors I rushed through this and don't really want to read it or talk to much about it
Very good post! I’ve done meth couple of times and know very well that as you say it I still didn’t do it my way..and probably should leave it at that. Had a great sex on it with a woman I should have leaved, just that says a lot.

In county I live only one city has meth problem but from all the shit happening there you know how bad that drug is. I’ve met people from there getting to other cities in try to escape it and than when many did the same eventually some got out of the country to escape meth. One of my best friends was deep into meth and the way you describe it makes me understand him even better. He also did a lot of other drugs, including I.V. heroin a few times but always says how meth is his biggest love and biggest ruin.
 
Well you think that about meth I think that about benzos. I wish I never tried benzo I like, my life would be so much better. I didn’t forget my meth experience so what? I much more forget benzo experiences cuz of amnesia and they caused me a lot more problems than stims. Yeah, I pushed coke so far that it become really bad, but even with that benzos played their role.

So there’s no way to know which drug – wont make you addicted/destroy you, not by first taste; but because your first taste of it...

Still it’s good to share. If one potential meth junkie doesn’t try it, that’s cool..

Yeah, I get what you're saying, and it is of course valid, but I would say Methamphetamine has far more of a risk for addiction for a much larger majority of potential users, because of its very nature and its ability to raise dopamine to such an insanely high degree; whereas Benzos don't cause traditional euphoria for the most of the general public (obviously there are outliers like yourself). Meth simply has a substantially higher risk for abuse than benzos, for most folks. That is just the simple statistical fact of the matter.

Meth is going to cause major euphoria for most of the public and can be such a mind-eroding drug, I feel like it is much more advantageous to plead with the people to just avoid the stuff altogether if it can be helped -- at best you are going to discover that real life can never be anywhere close to as exhilarating and insanely satisfying as it is on meth, and at worst it will take complete control of one's life because of this sensation. Either way, its a knowledge that no human being truly needs in their life IMO. Not worth the gamble of having it take control of you. This is just my experience and my opinion. But if it can help then I want it to help. I thought life was a game when I began fucking with it in my late teens and early 20s. Yeah, personally I was the type that had to learn the hard way, but some people aren't hard headed like me, so I just thought I'd share my experience just in case some kid is interested in trying it and is scouring the internet to research some experiences.

Personally though, I never saw benzodiazepines as very recreationally valuable drugs in and of themselves. Very useful for sleep and anxiety though. But of course each life has its own unique flavor. But I do know that they can be a very very nasty class of drug to get off of once you do get hooked; and I have experience with GHB withdrawal, which is very similar in withdrawal from my understanding, and it ain't no joke either.
 
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