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my apologies for the length of this post, but I must post some of my background for people to understand where I am now

I will be 45 years old on May 8, 2016. I do not have to worry about anonymity as all my medication is legally prescribed, I take it as directed, and I take everything Orley as prescribed

When I was 24 years old, I was sitting at a stop light, and an idiot who was talking on their cell phone – yes they were primitive cell phones back then, in a giant pick up truck, rear ended me going 45 to 55 mph. This not break any vertebrae's in my back, but it severely dislocated my spine, and I had to spend several weeks, interaction, in the hospital... Not to mention the major whiplash and other issues that come along with a sudden impact. After I healed, it was found that the accident caused my L4/L5 disc to be completely squished and all of the Gel stuff pushed out... All that remains today is a dried up, desiccated husk. For most of my life my back did not bother me – except it would go out now and then… And when I mean out – I mean I could barely even walk to the bathroom. This would happen about 1 to 2 times a year, I would go to the doctor and get a shot of Demerol, go home, sleep, and I would wake up the next day fine because the pain cycle was broken. This worked for many years until I moved and then I encounter doctors that didn't even want to give me a shot when it periodically went out so I had to miss work for 4 to 6 weeks at a time, and that cause me to lose jobs. Eventually I learned to just deal with the pain so I wouldn't lose a job and I push through it - even if it meant that I had to go into my office at work and lay down on the floor and cry for 10 minutes

Fast forward to 2007, I tripped over a route in my backyard and tear out the Cartlidge in my right knee, between 2007 and 2015, I have had six surgeries on my knee. My knee aches 24 seven and hurts to even walk on it. This aches 24 seven with a pain scale six, and when I sit it is about a 7.5. Sitting is the worst possible thing I can do – but I have to sit up otherwise I'm in bed all day – or on the couch all day.

Into thousand 13 I fell down two flights of stairs and ended up breaking 12+ bones in my left hand and tearing at least a dozen ligaments and tendons, and completely ripping one of the muscles/tendon off my middle finger.... I saw over 10 surgeons and no surgeon would operate on my hand – they all said surgery would make it worse and I should just go to physical therapy. I now have about 80% use of my hand, but if I use it for anything, I'm in horrific pain within about 10 minutes, and it also takes 24 hours a day - seven days a week at a pain level of seven

i'm also on 9/11 survivor and I don't need to go into all of that details – suffice to say I came out of it with a severe case of Agoraphobia and only regular Clonopin lets me go outside, but that wasn't treated until 2008.

From 2003-2008 I was on 37.5mg tramadol for my back. By 2008, it no longer was effective.

2008 is all where it started

i got a new GP who put me on 0.5mg clonopin, 3X/day so I could drive and go out side. Then he RXed me 30 Xanax pills to take only as needed 0.5mg otherwise I couldn't drive over bridges and overpasses. I felt like I'd fall to the sky.

My my knee issue started in 2008.

The specialists to me to take Tylenol and ibuprofen which have little to no pain killing effects. This annoyed my GP, and he took over my pain management as well as my agoraphobia cuz my ins didn't cover seeing a shrink. But they did cover the pills and accepted his diagnosis.

He he told me nothing could b done for my back. Only spinal fusion or drugs. But he said within 3-5 yrs laparoscopic back surgery would be approved and that had HIGH success rates. To this day it's still in trials. He told me I'd end up addicted to stuff but when I got fixed, he step me down. That was SEVEN YEARS ago. After becoming more and more tolerant to pain meds, they kept changing and increasing. Same with my benzopines ... But not much. Then SOMA was added two years ago to help back pain and spasms. I was put in the hospital for a nasty case of walking pneumonia, and they FREAKED at my medication list. A nurse and 2 Drs said " how can you function taking all that? How can you be concious?!" I was there for 4 days and they only gave me 1/3rd of all my meds. So I was in moderate withdrawal the whole time which made it difficult to heal

here is a partial list of my relevant meds:

1) Opana (Oxymorphone) ER, 40mg, 2X/day like clock work - takes the edge off the constant pain - reduces pain by 20%
2) Oxycodone (Roxicodone) IR, 30mg, 3X/day - controls pain so I can work and do things - reduces pain by 40%
3) SOMA (Carisoprodol), 350mg, 3X/day - controls pain. 20% reduction.
4) Voltaren Gel (diclofenac sodium - non narcotic topical gel). Reduces back pain by 90% within minutes, but only lasts 20min.
5) Clonopin (basically Xanax ER), 1mg, 3X/day
6) Xanax (Alprazolam), 1mg, 1X/day


that just pain meds. I'm on 4 more for BPH, thyroid, lasix (I have edema in my legs. Mostly the left

These me once dropped my pain to 0, but I'm becoming tolerant and he won't up the dosage or the number. Plus this is as much as my ins will pay.

I was was starting to get tollerant a year ago, but when he added the soma to the mix, something magical happened. 1 opana, 1 Oxy, and 1 clonopin got to the point where they barely worked. Once I added a soma to that mix, it ALL CHANGED. Those 4 in combo got me FLYING HIGH for 6-9 months. High like when given 4mg morphine IV for the first time and never taken a narcotic b4. All my pain ...GONE. THIS worked great..but after 9 months it started to fade. So I took 2 soma with that mix, I flew high with 0 pain for only a few months. That created a HUGHE, NASTY issue.

My my body got used to the combo. Each drugs if I take it by itself, does NOTHING. An opana, soma, Xanax or clonopin works or a Oxy, soma, Xanax / clonopin works...but unless that minimum "triad" is used, I get ZERO effect. I can pop 4 Oxys solo (120mg)...NOTHING.... I CAN take 3 soma solo. NOTHING. same with my benzos

i think my Dr accidentally created a drug interaction by body got used to and now I'm SCREWED as can't take the meds separate. Every time I take my meds, I must take the trio or quartet for it to work... In 6 months even THAT won't work.

I habe a be an electrical heart issue and can only tolerate MILD withdrawal. My dr is going to try to step all 4 down at once....SLOWLY...but that will take 6+ months with NOTHING for my pain. He said the benzos may take 1-2 yrs.

so how do I control my pain and not end up getting back here again ? My knee will be fixed in 3 months so that pain will b gone, but my back And hand can't be. Do I look to getting the pain nerves forever blocked?

god help me if my Dr moved out of town , died, etc. most DRs would try to rapid detox me which would b fatal.
Klonopin is not Xanax extended release. It's just another benzodiazepine . I have taken Klonopin (it didn't help my severe anxiety) and was then switched to Xanax (1 mg, 3 times per day) for the last 5 years. My point being that although they are in the same class, they are 2 different drugs.

I also want to say that I absolutely do not think that ANY doctor would do a "rapid, deadly detox". If they did, they would have their licenses revoked. The only drug you named that I know little about "just stopping" is Soma but I do know that the muscle relaxer I take is stronger then it and can't be abruptly stopped without potentially fatal consequences.

Im also shocked that if you were admitted into the hospital that they wouldn't give you the medication that your doctor prescribed. Unless I'm missing something, it's really not as much as some pain management doctors prescribe and the amount of benzodiapine's is "normal" (not as high as you have yourself believing yet could be deadly if stopped but your doctor has a good taper plan for you that should cause very little wd symptoms....I would say next to none). I'm glad he's doing it that way due to your heart.

I do have a question though: how are you able to put a percentage on your pain? I could never. Some days my pain is through the roof, other days it's not as bad (I take oxycodone but will admit that I tend to overtake it when my pain is 100% yet if you go to pain management (perhaps an option if you're not) the scale doesn't go by percentages but rather (1-10).

Please, don't take anything I'm saying harshly. It's meant to help you through my own experience. Some may say that opiate wds can't "kill you" yet the things that happen to an already unhealthy body can be life threatening (at least in my opinion....e.g, vomiting leading to dehydration which can effect the heart and I also have heart issues).....

As for the mixing of the drugs causing different effects that would be true of any drug whether prescribed or not. But hang in there (you've sure been through a lot) and again, I REALLY, REALLY don't think you have a need to worry as long as you have a doctor that will taper you safely which most (at least in my area) are willing to do especially if the drugs are prescribed AND would even help those who's drugs aren't or at least lead the person in the right direction whether that be the useage of suboxone or methadone for the opiates or a drug treatment center. There's also meds that your doctor can prescribe to greatly help minimize wds from opiates. Clonodine for b.p. being one of them. Good luck to you, my friend. Try not to overthink it too much though (I do, that for sure! And it only makes my anxiety WAAAYYY worse!!!).....work with your doctor, follow what he says and I'm sure you'll be fine (even if he retires and you are forced to get a new one:))

Also, my upmost reguards go out to you for having to endure 9/11:(. Much love<3
 
Klonopin is not Xanax extended release. It's just another benzodiazepine . I have taken Klonopin (it didn't help my severe anxiety) and was then switched to Xanax (1 mg, 3 times per day) for the last 5 years. My point being that although they are in the same class, they are 2 different drugs.

I also want to say that I absolutely do not think that ANY doctor would do a "rapid, deadly detox". If they did, they would have their licenses revoked. The only drug you named that I know little about "just stopping" is Soma but I do know that the muscle relaxer I take is stronger then it and can't be abruptly stopped without potentially fatal consequences.

Im also shocked that if you were admitted into the hospital that they wouldn't give you the medication that your doctor prescribed. Unless I'm missing something, it's really not as much as some pain management doctors prescribe and the amount of benzodiapine's is "normal" (not as high as you have yourself believing yet could be deadly if stopped but your doctor has a good taper plan for you that should cause very little wd symptoms....I would say next to none). I'm glad he's doing it that way due to your heart.

I do have a question though: how are you able to put a percentage on your pain? I could never. Some days my pain is through the roof, other days it's not as bad (I take oxycodone but will admit that I tend to overtake it when my pain is 100% yet if you go to pain management (perhaps an option if you're not) the scale doesn't go by percentages but rather (1-10).

Please, don't take anything I'm saying harshly. It's meant to help you through my own experience. Some may say that opiate wds can't "kill you" yet the things that happen to an already unhealthy body can be life threatening (at least in my opinion....e.g, vomiting leading to dehydration which can effect the heart and I also have heart issues).....

As for the mixing of the drugs causing different effects that would be true of any drug whether prescribed or not. But hang in there (you've sure been through a lot) and again, I REALLY, REALLY don't think you have a need to worry as long as you have a doctor that will taper you safely which most (at least in my area) are willing to do especially if the drugs are prescribed AND would even help those who's drugs aren't or at least lead the person in the right direction whether that be the useage of suboxone or methadone for the opiates or a drug treatment center. There's also meds that your doctor can prescribe to greatly help minimize wds from opiates. Clonodine for b.p. being one of them. Good luck to you, my friend. Try not to overthink it too much though (I do, that for sure! And it only makes my anxiety WAAAYYY worse!!!).....work with your doctor, follow what he says and I'm sure you'll be fine (even if he retires and you are forced to get a new one:))

Also, my upmost reguards go out to you for having to endure 9/11:(. Much love<3
As for your last question asking how to control your pain? MANY people find that their pain isn't as bad as they think when they stop using opiates in high quantities and actually feel better and have a reduction in pain. Hard to believe, I know but is a proven fact.

P.S: I wish I could take my own advise:). It's hard, I know. Scary. I know. But you CAN do it:). It sounds like you want to but that fear is scaring you. It does me too. You're not alone<3
 
I wish I had listen to people's stories about heroin before I started it. I ended up ODing twice this year. The second time I almost didn't come back. I am now 15 days clean. I hope this forum will discourage others from even starting
 
I wish I had listen to people's stories about heroin before I started it. I ended up ODing twice this year. The second time I almost didn't come back. I am now 15 days clean. I hope this forum will discourage others from even starting
15 days is AWESOME:)!!! I, too, hope this forum discourages users or at least helps them to become clean. I'm 40 years old yet I thought I could just take a pill "here and there" to "feel good" (oxycodone)...then I needed them for legit pain and they no longer worked hence my keeping on using and then abusing them.

You're stronger then I am though. I've never made it past day 2. Keep going!!! I'm sure you have so many people who love you and would "die" themselves if something happened to you!!!! Some people have put this thread down but I personally think it is awesome.

I do have a chronic illness but drug abuse is also a chronic illness so I'm going to tell you what many of my friends have told me (who don't know about my drug useage): "KEEP ON, KEEPING ON!".......and I mean that in a good way:). Don't turn back. 15 days may not seem like a lot to some but I for one (and I'm sure many others would agree), think it's a MAJOR accomplishment:)!!!!

Lots of love and hope to you<3
 
What about addiction to the means of getting high? Addiction to the needle and sniffing for example? I'm just wondering how common this is. I find myself using when I don't really want to with substances that are not my favorite just to use a needle. I know it's totally nuts.
 
What about addiction to the means of getting high? Addiction to the needle and sniffing for example? I'm just wondering how common this is. I find myself using when I don't really want to with substances that are not my favorite just to use a needle. I know it's totally nuts.

It's actually not that uncommon. Plenty of addicts go so far as to inject totally non-psychoactive solutions just for the act of injecting.
 
Chrisincville, are you being serious? I'm asking because TRULY I think that the "act" of snorting my oxycodone is just as addictive as the oxycodone is (minus of course that if it's not oxycodone I will be sick:(). I'm just honestly wondering if this IS a legit issue. Also, my soon to be ex husband used to snort EVERY drug he could. At 1st I thought he was just insane (well, he is...but that's off the topic) but now I almost "get it".
 
So I'm going to get straight to the point here... I sniff about 3-4 opana 40 mg ER (yellows) per day, sometimes more, sometimes less.. I scrape them with the pedi-egg. I need to stop immediately. I have been doing the opanas for about a few months. before that, i was doing the pink 10mg oxycodone on and off for a couple of years. i could do an upwards of 240mg of the 10mgs per day. i have also done heroin a few times (sniffed only). once i did it for 6 days straight because i couldn't get any opanas. my dr prescribed me clonidine to help with the w/d but i tried it before and it didn't help much.. i need to stop now for reasons i cannot state, and these reasons also prevent me from going to another dr and getting suboxone. I can get suboxone off the streets i just need to know the proper dose and when to start using it. How long should i use it for? any information would be greatly appreciated!! i want so badly to stop... i have also been depressed for years and also have serious anxiety (taking 300mg of Wellbutrin a day). i can get the 2mg Xanax off the streets also to help sleep. i need to stop very very soon!! any input or help is appreciated more than you know!!!

thanks!!!!
 
I realize this is an old post but I'm responding to anyone who may see it in the future. I had never taken opiates in my life and honestly didn't understand how they even worked until I was I'm a bad car wreck and on a pain pump for 3 months and them bedridden for a year on heavy opiates. I would have tried to find a gun and shoot myself if it weren't for the 80% pain relief I got from it but also the distance from reality that made the misery go by a little faster. If someone who is NOT on serious pain decides to take strong opiates (oxy 30s, dilaudid, Fentanyl, morphine,etc.) then you without a doubt will feel something you won't want to end and it can lead so quickly to dependence and addiction and ruin lives. Please be careful. This wreck thankfully didn't kill me but resulted In opiate dependence and then addiction and has ruined the last 3 years of my life and I've burned through $100,000. Whatever you do, be careful and remember that someone who truely cares warned you :) God Bless to all.
I think a thread like this would have made me second guess myself before I decided to start using opiates. But I can't do shit about that now.
 
Hi,

First time posting here so please bear with me.

I am 31 and was clean of using coke for almost 11 years.

Then I met my partner and that has all gone to shit. I've been awake since 6am Wednesday and, after work, I shimmied down to the pub and it went horribly wrong. In the last 36 hours, I have consumed around 9 wraps and still have another to go. I'm coming down and it's frickin awful. This isn't my first time back on coke... I started again probably around February or March of this year and have been having a wrap here and there. But then came Wednesday.... I've spent a month's salary in 36 hours. I've only partially paid my rent, I owe people stupid amounts of money that I don't have and this is the start of an awful downward spiral.

However, I do want to say that in all my time of doing drugs, tonight has to be the worst comedown ever. I'm shaking, sweating, palpitations, headache, blocked nose which won't stop running, nose bleeds. and I feel like utter s**t. I am so angry with myself that I have jumped back onto the horse of hell.

Don't start stuff like this...But if you have started, try and stop before you lose control.
 
Im going through phenibut withdrawl now..high doses for a month.3 days in and have a 6 day supply of ativan but im afraid it may be making it worse.ativan acts on gabba a receptor where as phenibut acts on gabba b..wonder if im just feeling the withdrawls of phenibut or if im depleting both gabba receptors. Some say benzos r ok to use for pheni wd's others say not..any clue? Im not worried about being hooked on ativan (nvr my thing and dont know where to get it) but dont want to face a much worse wd or seizure
 
withdrawal from happy 5 , erimin ....sucky..taking 1/2 per day now , going through the process.

taking melatonin as a sleeping aid. quite helpful in fastening the withdrawal time. yes, dont discharge yourself from any opiates or benzos using cold turkey , it could really do more harm then good. hated benzos cos it stays in ya mind even though your body has gotten rid of them. just keep sleeping and sleeping until your mind , more specifically brain shuts off the benzos then you become healthier.
 
opiates rather specifically coedine is my fav, cos the withdrawal is sleeping and sleepy on weekends . no acute pains.
 
Hi,

First time posting here so please bear with me.

I am 31 and was clean of using coke for almost 11 years.

Then I met my partner and that has all gone to shit. I've been awake since 6am Wednesday and, after work, I shimmied down to the pub and it went horribly wrong. In the last 36 hours, I have consumed around 9 wraps and still have another to go. I'm coming down and it's frickin awful. This isn't my first time back on coke... I started again probably around February or March of this year and have been having a wrap here and there. But then came Wednesday.... I've spent a month's salary in 36 hours. I've only partially paid my rent, I owe people stupid amounts of money that I don't have and this is the start of an awful downward spiral.

However, I do want to say that in all my time of doing drugs, tonight has to be the worst comedown ever. I'm shaking, sweating, palpitations, headache, blocked nose which won't stop running, nose bleeds. and I feel like utter s**t. I am so angry with myself that I have jumped back onto the horse of hell.

Don't start stuff like this...But if you have started, try and stop before you lose control.

sorry to hear that . time will heal. just dont cold turkey. be determined stick to lesser and lesser dosage. NOT lesser and lesser then more and more. wait for a total recovery. i am doc tan
 
I know I'm not making good sense on the account I'm withdrawing from Benzos opiates and Kratom. Not so hard on the opiates , I was only talking them 3 weeks at 70 mg of oxy or hydro a week. The Benzos are my biggest concern, I was using Kratom to help come off. Well I'm taking up to 2 oz of Kratom a day. I'm weirded out I want sober clear thoughts . This nervous dream like state has to end . I've been off alcohol and what ever for 3 years and Benzos for a year and started back. I don't act like me. I'm not belligerent I just like being in control. Wish me luck
 
two other medications that can help with Opiate Withdraws are compazine and promethazine. These are Rx only but they really can help for nausea and vomitting. I've found trazadone and seroquel to br helpful in sleep Aid but Seroquel also made me bat shit crazy, its very commonly prescribed in jail/prison psych wards. trazadone made me feel a bit drunk and left me with an alcohol hangover in the AM but it beats being dopesick and desparate for sleep
 
Hey guys 1st time posting about this and I could really use some help. I'm trying to get off of a opana habit. Here's a little run down.. For years I used opiates for recreation but it was very controllable. Just a few months ago a 30mg roxy snorted would knock my socks off and that was done every few days or so. Now all of a sudden I found myself doing about 30mg of opana pretty much everyday for 2 months with a 1 week total cold turkey break that I screwed up and relapsed on. So now I'm trying to get off them again but I'm starting a new job in 5 days and really don't want to go in there feeling shitty so I have the idea to taper off the opanas and try taking 2 20mg of oxy a day and hope I don't get sick. Is this a good idea and is my habit a bad 1? Please help I really need off these things and I can't tell my family and friends about t
 
Kicking Subs With Cocaine

So I will be posting daily to hopefully get some help and support and help others. I'll give you a quick background on my drug history..
2010 - 2013 Started taking perk 30s. I eventually ended up taking 10 a day if not more. I could easily snort 4-5 at a time and it would just make me feel normal.

2013 - I started taking subs when they were easily accessible for me, but was also taking perks. Still craved the perks Baldy tho. And would take a perk over a sub if available.

2014 - I finally got my perk cravings down. I could finally say no if they were in front of me, only because I was taking Subutex. At this point I would get perks once a month. I'd snort 5 feel high and happy, until it got old. Wasting so much money to feel good for a few hours. Never touched heroin, I knew if I did there was no going back.

2015 - No more perks, I was taking Subutex everyday and needed it everyday. If I didn't have one I would withdrawl. I would take at least 4-8mgs a day I tried kicking them in the summer but couldn't make it past day 3.

I Partied new years eve and day on coke, after I crashed and slept I realized I didn't even do a sub nor need one. So I thought maybe this is my way. I do coke maybe 3 times a year, because I prefer downers.

Jan 1st-5th no subs. No sleeping issues thank god. I wake up take 1 Gabapentin, do a line of coke to get me going. I do half a piece daily, but not past 3pm. When I get home from work I smoke a little and pass out by 9pm

Today I woke up took a Gabapentin, did a Small line like I have been for 5 days and was fine. Around 11am I felt tacky, lazy for the first time so I did a tiny piece of sub. I'd say 1mg if that. immediately felt better.

I have never gone this long with such minimal sub. I am NOT saying my method is going to work I am just sharing how I am trying..And so far it is. like I said I don't do the coke past 3 p.m. And doing Half a piece of coke.

And so far so good...I will let you know how tomorrow is.
 
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Day 7
Woke up at 6am. Did a small line, took the Gabapentin. I feel great. No sweats, jitters, or anxiety. Have to say best day so far...Did another line at noon. Much less than yesterday. I'll continue to post daily and see how this goes.
 
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