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I really hope that within my saying that alcohol and Xanax can kill a person upon stopping (something that within rehabs all over the world are told to people time and time again and IS a fact) is not why you posted what you last did. What I merely stated was that soma is well known to be misused as is nearly all other drugs and I ONLY wanted to express concern for the soma due to 1st hand experience experience I endured when someone close to me overdosed on it while trying to get off of another drug and then died. If I'm wrong and that last post was not aimed at me then please accept my sincerest apology yet if I'm right? Then you REALLY have tons of research to do:(. Nicotine? Yes you can in fact overdose on it especially with the new "safer" electronic cigs available. Caffeine? In high school I actually accidentally did it once but I'm still RIGHT here. Really I have no idea what your post was trying to say on a serious thread but it made little sense to be quite honest when comparing nicotine and caffeine to soma, an opiate, a benzo or any other drug for that matter. I "get" that a "drug is a drug" but wow, to compare what you named to other drugs? There's no comparison to be made unless there's people out there trying to get "high" on nicotine or caffeine (which I wouldn't doubt) but I will repeat (not debate or argue) that if your post was aimed at what I said then I don't understand your views I supposed (yet respect all peoples views) and if not then I do in fact apologize. All the best to you for whatever reason you are on this site for.
As for the phenibut? Or nitrous? I know nothing about either. And basically anything can be toxic is overused. None of us would be here if we didn't know that. Again, best of luck to you and as a "new person" here I'm not even sure how to find out which thread was your initial one so I have no idea what addiction you're trying to beat yet all the same I again wish you the very best:)
 
I really hope that within my saying that alcohol and Xanax can kill a person upon stopping (something that within rehabs all over the world are told to people time and time again and IS a fact) is not why you posted what you last did. What I merely stated was that soma is well known to be misused as is nearly all other drugs and I ONLY wanted to express concern for the soma due to 1st hand experience experience I endured when someone close to me overdosed on it while trying to get off of another drug and then died. If I'm wrong and that last post was not aimed at me then please accept my sincerest apology yet if I'm right? Then you REALLY have tons of research to do:(. Nicotine? Yes you can in fact overdose on it especially with the new "safer" electronic cigs available. Caffeine? In high school I actually accidentally did it once but I'm still RIGHT here. Really I have no idea what your post was trying to say on a serious thread but it made little sense to be quite honest when comparing nicotine and caffeine to soma, an opiate, a benzo or any other drug for that matter. I "get" that a "drug is a drug" but wow, to compare what you named to other drugs? There's no comparison to be made unless there's people out there trying to get "high" on nicotine or caffeine (which I wouldn't doubt) but I will repeat (not debate or argue) that if your post was aimed at what I said then I don't understand your views I supposed (yet respect all peoples views) and if not then I do in fact apologize. All the best to you for whatever reason you are on this site for.
u raise valid points i thought u were referring to addictions people have? dont think i was being offensive in any way dude peace
 
u raise valid points i thought u were referring to addictions people have? dont think i was being offensive in any way dude peace
No,you weren't. And it's "dudette":)....haha:). I wasnt sure if that was even aimed at what I had said. Anything is hard to get off of...I wish I could say I didn't know that factually but then I'd be lying. Each time I end up back in the hospital due to a severe health condition I have I say "NO MORE", then I get another script that I stare at and stare at until I eventually cave in. For the oxys, I mean and the morphine I'm given there through an iv. And in all actuallity it was you who raised a valid point. I can't stop smoking cigarettes either (even though my mom died due to them and I sat and cared for her watching her pass away slowly and painfully).....and take away my caffeinated diet Pepsi? I'm a a walking nighmare! I neither meant no offense....I'm just going through an extremely difficult time. I'm the one who's sorry if I offended you<3
 
Or rather if you felt I was or even attempting to challenge your intellect which is something I'd never do. As for anyone who has ever "used"? We're in this together and we all know how horrible it feels. Sorry again.
 
Please redirect me if there is a better thread for this question.

I'm on 8mg Suboxone film daily. I need to do a quick taper but I can't afford to miss work. Any suggestions for a good dose reduction schedule?

Thanks.
 
I really hope that within my saying that alcohol and Xanax can kill a person upon stopping (something that within rehabs all over the world are told to people time and time again and IS a fact) is not why you posted what you last did. What I merely stated was that soma is well known to be misused as is nearly all other drugs and I ONLY wanted to express concern for the soma due to 1st hand experience experience I endured when someone close to me overdosed on it while trying to get off of another drug and then died. If I'm wrong and that last post was not aimed at me then please accept my sincerest apology yet if I'm right? Then you REALLY have tons of research to do:(. Nicotine? Yes you can in fact overdose on it especially with the new "safer" electronic cigs available. Caffeine? In high school I actually accidentally did it once but I'm still RIGHT here. Really I have no idea what your post was trying to say on a serious thread but it made little sense to be quite honest when comparing nicotine and caffeine to soma, an opiate, a benzo or any other drug for that matter. I "get" that a "drug is a drug" but wow, to compare what you named to other drugs? There's no comparison to be made unless there's people out there trying to get "high" on nicotine or caffeine (which I wouldn't doubt) but I will repeat (not debate or argue) that if your post was aimed at what I said then I don't understand your views I supposed (yet respect all peoples views) and if not then I do in fact apologize. All the best to you for whatever reason you are on this site for.
Nicotine is the most addictive drug on earth proven fact
 
Having trouble navigating site. Looking to w/d from Oxycodone use that's gotten out of hand. Taking 2-3 10/325 Percocets 2-3x a day. Will run out before px is up. Can someone refer me to the best thread here to help with w/d symptoms? I'll keep searching on my own but would love to hear from some tried and true methods used. I someone mention the Thomas method but am not finding that in my search.
Thanks to all
 
Nicotine is the most addictive drug on earth proven fact

its not tho. i smoked a pack a day for 5 years and stopped jus like that. aint smoked since 09. not even one cig, oxy hasn't been neearly as easy (understatement).
 
Having trouble navigating site. Looking to w/d from Oxycodone use that's gotten out of hand. Taking 2-3 10/325 Percocets 2-3x a day. Will run out before px is up. Can someone refer me to the best thread here to help with w/d symptoms? I'll keep searching on my own but would love to hear from some tried and true methods used. I someone mention the Thomas method but am not finding that in my search.
Thanks to all

Hey this is definitely not the thread to post it in. Everybody has unique problems and there are multiple ways to deal with it. I usually would recommend posting in threads that already exist, but your question is just going to get lost in all this clutter of a 20 page long thread. This time please go ahead and post your own thread so we can all brainstorm inside and give you pointers from everybody's point of view. And then you can decide what is best for you.
 
I want to say things about my opiate use but I don't want those who have never used to read it. Any suggestions about where is a good place to post?
 
Hi. I'm a greenlighter, and I really need to post a thread on using loperamide for detox from 20 mgs of methadone, but I don't know how to post one. The site is confusing to me. How do I post my own thread? Please PM me, and advise. Don't care who does just would be happy and grateful to know how to post. Thanks in advance.
 
well it helps that you don't inject so that works in your favour however if you plan to come off of opioids with 6 suboxone tablets im sorry its just not going to happen. if you take them incrementally at the furthest away from the last try a 36 hour interval. try the 8mg and if that is enough great. the next dose try 6, then 5, 4, 2, 1 and the titration will have been done extra fast but if there is any withdrawal after that it will be minimal. good luck
 
make sure you wait a good 36 hours regardless if you get sick or not, this will help ensure that your body adapts to low doses and it being further apart
 
its also good that it seems that you haven't done what I did. I was addicted at 12 or 13 and am now 27. I also got hit by a car and was on pain pills. but I am a heroin addict and I inject about a gram a day. for this reason tolerance means a great deal when you are detoxing or tapering
 
Hey folks! So I'm confused right now! I've been on a pretty bad binge this whole month. Taking 10 mg hydrocodone, 350 mg Soma, 30mg oxicodone, and today I tried 20 mg of methadone. Now yesterday I had my last hydrocodone around 9 pm. I got the 30s with A 215 on it. I was already pretty high from the amount of hydros and somas, so when I took one of the Roxy, I didn't feel too much.

I slept great! Woke up feeling crappy, I took like 120 mgs of oxycodone and 3 /350 mg somas. I didn't feel a thing but the somas. I began feeling the chills and stomach cramps, along with extended periods on the toilet. I took 20 mg of methadone, and some more Soma. I felt a little buzz. This is all around 12:30 pm.

It is now 12:19 am and my legs hurt, my stomach is upset, I have the chills, sweats, and feeling restless.

I took several more 30 mg oxycodone between 4 pm and 7 pm with no relief.

What do I do? I have my suboxone. I'm ready to give up this binge. I've lost so much in just a month but I know that I need a recovery program and to get honest with people.

I have to work tomorrow. I don't find myself getting any sleep. I've never gone into percipitated wds but am scared to take my sub too soon bc of the methadone. But I'm like feeling wds for sure. I have l day. Maybe the oxycodones were fake A 215'S. They were very salty, they dissolved so fast, and gave me no relief. Bought them from a street dealer I've purchased from before without this problem.


I'm scared, in pain, and ready for change. Should I take my hype since I'm feeling like hell.
 
I took the suboxone. I'm still feeling stomach pains and chills. I'm exhausted but can't sleep. Luckily, I'm not experiencing any pwds. I've taken about 8 mg of suboxone and a flexiral for my leg pains.

I thought I scored on a great amount of blues but they were cheap bc they were fake. I'm happy I got the courage to delete all dealers numbers and take suboxone rather than go buy dilaudids at 1am 45 mins away.

I hate myself for going backwards. Now, a sleepless night worrying about how I can bounce back from this choice. But it's a start. Please someone reply and remind me I'm not alone. Btw, I haven't eaten all day. Can Barely sip water. But I'm forcing myself to stay hydrated.
 
So just an update. I'm at work, I slept for one hour if even that. I have been dosing on my suboxone throughout the day. My legs are still crampy and still no appetite. Haven't eaten in two days other than a banana. I am drinking loads of water.

I am having cravings which is weird. I think it is just a behavioral practice. The getting and using, finding ways and means to get more. I have deleted everyone's numbers but sure enough I got a message from someone asking if I wanted any 30 mg oxy. If anything I'll find some somas to help me sleep. I think if my whole office were filled with pills, it still wouldn't be enough for me. I'd still count them and plan and worry around them

I want freedom.
 
Addicted to a 4 legally RXed meds

my apologies for the length of this post, but I must post some of my background for people to understand where I am now

I will be 45 years old on May 8, 2016. I do not have to worry about anonymity as all my medication is legally prescribed, I take it as directed, and I take everything Orley as prescribed

When I was 24 years old, I was sitting at a stop light, and an idiot who was talking on their cell phone – yes they were primitive cell phones back then, in a giant pick up truck, rear ended me going 45 to 55 mph. This not break any vertebrae's in my back, but it severely dislocated my spine, and I had to spend several weeks, interaction, in the hospital... Not to mention the major whiplash and other issues that come along with a sudden impact. After I healed, it was found that the accident caused my L4/L5 disc to be completely squished and all of the Gel stuff pushed out... All that remains today is a dried up, desiccated husk. For most of my life my back did not bother me – except it would go out now and then… And when I mean out – I mean I could barely even walk to the bathroom. This would happen about 1 to 2 times a year, I would go to the doctor and get a shot of Demerol, go home, sleep, and I would wake up the next day fine because the pain cycle was broken. This worked for many years until I moved and then I encounter doctors that didn't even want to give me a shot when it periodically went out so I had to miss work for 4 to 6 weeks at a time, and that cause me to lose jobs. Eventually I learned to just deal with the pain so I wouldn't lose a job and I push through it - even if it meant that I had to go into my office at work and lay down on the floor and cry for 10 minutes

Fast forward to 2007, I tripped over a route in my backyard and tear out the Cartlidge in my right knee, between 2007 and 2015, I have had six surgeries on my knee. My knee aches 24 seven and hurts to even walk on it. This aches 24 seven with a pain scale six, and when I sit it is about a 7.5. Sitting is the worst possible thing I can do – but I have to sit up otherwise I'm in bed all day – or on the couch all day.

Into thousand 13 I fell down two flights of stairs and ended up breaking 12+ bones in my left hand and tearing at least a dozen ligaments and tendons, and completely ripping one of the muscles/tendon off my middle finger.... I saw over 10 surgeons and no surgeon would operate on my hand – they all said surgery would make it worse and I should just go to physical therapy. I now have about 80% use of my hand, but if I use it for anything, I'm in horrific pain within about 10 minutes, and it also takes 24 hours a day - seven days a week at a pain level of seven

i'm also on 9/11 survivor and I don't need to go into all of that details – suffice to say I came out of it with a severe case of Agoraphobia and only regular Clonopin lets me go outside, but that wasn't treated until 2008.

From 2003-2008 I was on 37.5mg tramadol for my back. By 2008, it no longer was effective.

2008 is all where it started

i got a new GP who put me on 0.5mg clonopin, 3X/day so I could drive and go out side. Then he RXed me 30 Xanax pills to take only as needed 0.5mg otherwise I couldn't drive over bridges and overpasses. I felt like I'd fall to the sky.

My my knee issue started in 2008.

The specialists to me to take Tylenol and ibuprofen which have little to no pain killing effects. This annoyed my GP, and he took over my pain management as well as my agoraphobia cuz my ins didn't cover seeing a shrink. But they did cover the pills and accepted his diagnosis.

He he told me nothing could b done for my back. Only spinal fusion or drugs. But he said within 3-5 yrs laparoscopic back surgery would be approved and that had HIGH success rates. To this day it's still in trials. He told me I'd end up addicted to stuff but when I got fixed, he step me down. That was SEVEN YEARS ago. After becoming more and more tolerant to pain meds, they kept changing and increasing. Same with my benzopines ... But not much. Then SOMA was added two years ago to help back pain and spasms. I was put in the hospital for a nasty case of walking pneumonia, and they FREAKED at my medication list. A nurse and 2 Drs said " how can you function taking all that? How can you be concious?!" I was there for 4 days and they only gave me 1/3rd of all my meds. So I was in moderate withdrawal the whole time which made it difficult to heal

here is a partial list of my relevant meds:

1) Opana (Oxymorphone) ER, 40mg, 2X/day like clock work - takes the edge off the constant pain - reduces pain by 20%
2) Oxycodone (Roxicodone) IR, 30mg, 3X/day - controls pain so I can work and do things - reduces pain by 40%
3) SOMA (Carisoprodol), 350mg, 3X/day - controls pain. 20% reduction.
4) Voltaren Gel (diclofenac sodium - non narcotic topical gel). Reduces back pain by 90% within minutes, but only lasts 20min.
5) Clonopin (basically Xanax ER), 1mg, 3X/day
6) Xanax (Alprazolam), 1mg, 1X/day


that just pain meds. I'm on 4 more for BPH, thyroid, lasix (I have edema in my legs. Mostly the left

These me once dropped my pain to 0, but I'm becoming tolerant and he won't up the dosage or the number. Plus this is as much as my ins will pay.

I was was starting to get tollerant a year ago, but when he added the soma to the mix, something magical happened. 1 opana, 1 Oxy, and 1 clonopin got to the point where they barely worked. Once I added a soma to that mix, it ALL CHANGED. Those 4 in combo got me FLYING HIGH for 6-9 months. High like when given 4mg morphine IV for the first time and never taken a narcotic b4. All my pain ...GONE. THIS worked great..but after 9 months it started to fade. So I took 2 soma with that mix, I flew high with 0 pain for only a few months. That created a HUGHE, NASTY issue.

My my body got used to the combo. Each drugs if I take it by itself, does NOTHING. An opana, soma, Xanax or clonopin works or a Oxy, soma, Xanax / clonopin works...but unless that minimum "triad" is used, I get ZERO effect. I can pop 4 Oxys solo (120mg)...NOTHING.... I CAN take 3 soma solo. NOTHING. same with my benzos

i think my Dr accidentally created a drug interaction by body got used to and now I'm SCREWED as can't take the meds separate. Every time I take my meds, I must take the trio or quartet for it to work... In 6 months even THAT won't work.

I habe a be an electrical heart issue and can only tolerate MILD withdrawal. My dr is going to try to step all 4 down at once....SLOWLY...but that will take 6+ months with NOTHING for my pain. He said the benzos may take 1-2 yrs.

so how do I control my pain and not end up getting back here again ? My knee will be fixed in 3 months so that pain will b gone, but my back And hand can't be. Do I look to getting the pain nerves forever blocked?

god help me if my Dr moved out of town , died, etc. most DRs would try to rapid detox me which would b fatal.
 
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