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Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

First of all, congratulations on being sober for almost 3 years.

From my experience these sort of ideas and thoughts and our addiction speaking rather than ourselves. You see, there just about few things you can do be a happy person while being sober. We go from moments to moments and at some point we realize we are having a better life. And when we add exercises, hobbies or even get into a relationship - life can be so gracious, otherwise it can fall into a routine and that's when we start thinking about options to have a safe use of other stuff. This happens to most people I know.

The only problem is that once you ran into opiates again, regardless of which one. It sort of wakes up the part we have already taken so long to get used to. It ship us right back to the first days post withdrawal or even feelings equivalent to those we had when we started doing opiates. And that's a dangerous place to be, especially after going through so long without it. Trust me I have quit myself and from time to time the subject comes to my mind again and that's why I keep coming here so I refresh, restart so to speak and understand that it would not be good for me.

But since you asking for a practical advice, I see people trying to resolve similar issues using Kratom, or weeds, or both. It seems to relieve a little bit and put your mind at easy for sometime. The only advice I give you if you choose to do that is to try not to increase the doses or keep the use very limited. I'm not saying this is what you should do. Just trying to respond your question without telling things that you probably know already.
Good luck.
Take care,
Erik
 
Hi everybody, hoping somebody here could give me some feedback on something that I'm struggling with.

I'm a 23 year old male who experienced a 2 year period of mephedrone abuse but has since been clean for almost three years.
However, I really really miss that euphoric, no cares in the world feeling and have recently been struggling to get the idea of doing it again (but only 1 every 1/2 months) again out of my head.

My question is this, would it not be safer/more practical to use some kind of opiate instead? In moderation of course.

I have limited experience with opiates, dabbled in codeine a few times but wasn't blown away (maybe I didn't dose enough).
However, I had one beautiful experience after a friend of mine gave me three morphine sustained release caps (can't remember the dosage).
I decided to take the first one orally, but after not feeling much decided to crush up the beads inside the remaining two caps and snort them.

In short, this experience ranked close to, if not above my favourite of all drugs, mephedrone. Of course, I loved mephedrone but that drug just doesn't really fit in with my lifestyle anymore. I don't go out to bars anymore, I don't NEED stimulation. I want to relax and feel great. Opiates seem like a much better choice for cuddling on the couch with the SO.

I can't help but think that as long as I moderate my usage, some kind of opiate might be just the thing that I'm looking for.
A lot has changed since my mephedrone days, I now have a fiance to look after and a roof to keep over my head. So I just can't imagine how a drug like mephedrone can ever be part of my life again with the terrible comedowns and the way it increases my anxiety levels for weeks after a session. I already struggle enough getting my ass to work without having to deal with that shit.

So please, anybody who can provide any practical advice, I would really appreciate it.

You've posted this in several places, but I think you'll find the advice remains the same.
Stay away from opiates and heroin. Nothing good will result from your use, particularly since you've already struggled with habitual use of a opiate or opioid.
 
Agreed. Unless you're in crippling pain, an opiate is imo never the thing you need. I would imagine that if you've kicked before then a great portion of you already knows this.
 
Yrs not trs (sorry)

Look it depends where ur sourcing from. For instance i always had the same guy for 7yrs on west side and i never got unsafe blows (chi heroin) but i should warn you theres nothing more unpleasant than h withdrawal except maybe methadone and h. Just warning u its so hard to quit
 
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However my guy tore his acl while at work and we had a pretty high habbit but h knocked out his pain instantly. I should tell u if ur not in the midwest and able to find "china white" its not worth it. You dont wanna shoot first time so unless u can find the real white powder h like we got here in chiraq i would pass it up. Ur gonna want to sniff first and a line at a time too (5 lines from one bag) to be safe. But when someone says withdrawals hell they not lyin (try it cook county dep of corrections then come talk to me) FOR REAL IT SUX!
 
In the end h is a screw everything drug it releaves any physical and mental discomfort and makes u feel unbelievable. (The anxiety erasing aspect is my main resean for using) but not my only one ITS A HABBIT when u use it the kick in feels like true unadulterated bliss followed by true hell/torture. Besides feeling like ur muscles are being torn out ur stomach feels like its in a vice your eyes nose water constant u sneeze and gag at same time u throw up u got diarrhea hot cold sweats ur sense of smell is screwwed up smelling bleach sometimes then the worst b.o. (Which is u ). But nothing smells right light hurts your eyes cause ur pupils are dialated like ur on acid (so u have bad migranes) you feel ugly and dirty and worthless and every anxiety multiplies (it must be close to what hell is like). YOU NEED TO KNOW IVE NEVER FELT A BETTER HIGH AND NEVER FELT MORE MISERABLE FROM WITHDRAWAL EITHER. Also withdrawal alone can kill u if ur habbit is bad i had friends who died in jail and detox centers siezures, etc my heart always feels like its being squeezed. Most likely due to heart damage from iv use SO KEEP ALL THIS IN MIND compare pros n cons decide for yourself
 
In the end h is a screw everything drug it releaves any physical and mental discomfort and makes u feel unbelievable. (The anxiety erasing aspect is my main resean for using) but not my only one ITS A HABBIT when u use it the kick in feels like true unadulterated bliss followed by true hell/torture. Besides feeling like ur muscles are being torn out ur stomach feels like its in a vice your eyes nose water constant u sneeze and gag at same time u throw up u got diarrhea hot cold sweats ur sense of smell is screwwed up smelling bleach sometimes then the worst b.o. (Which is u ). But nothing smells right light hurts your eyes cause ur pupils are dialated like ur on acid (so u have bad migranes) you feel ugly and dirty and worthless and every anxiety multiplies (it must be close to what hell is like). YOU NEED TO KNOW IVE NEVER FELT A BETTER HIGH AND NEVER FELT MORE MISERABLE FROM WITHDRAWAL EITHER. Also withdrawal alone can kill u if ur habbit is bad i had friends who died in jail and detox centers siezures, etc my heart always feels like its being squeezed. Most likely due to heart damage from iv use SO KEEP ALL THIS IN MIND compare pros n cons decide for yourself
Interesting that you use H for anxiety relief. After a decade of opiates, they do nothing for my anxiety any more. If anything they cause it, because when I'm on them I'm constantly worrying about withdrawal and scoring more.
 
Have been there. That's pretty much the routine most of heroin users have. Get sick, finding the money, quick relief, next - get sick, finding the money, relief. All day long, all week long, for years until when the body can't take it anymore or when the tolerance is so high you risk OD'ing every single day. That's not a life it's conviction IMO/E. Our body gets all marked, socially exclusion becomes a high price you pay and your only 'friend' is your dealer. There's must be another way.
 
Have been there. That's pretty much the routine most of heroin users have. Get sick, finding the money, quick relief, next - get sick, finding the money, relief. All day long, all week long, for years until when the body can't take it anymore or when the tolerance is so high you risk OD'ing every single day. That's not a life it's conviction IMO/E. Our body gets all marked, socially exclusion becomes a high price you pay and your only 'friend' is your dealer. There's must be another way.
I'm attempting the other way, get through the sick and cope with the fallout. I'm still feeling raw, but it's heaven not to have to go out on my opiate obtaining missions. I had to do that on a daily basis too, if I bought a job lot then I'd just take it all in one go!
 
^ Excellent point. Right to the point, and well done. Pretty clever actually, as you are led to see the full video.
Although it seems obvious to some of us, I believe that this video could or should be spread into other similar threads.
Thanks for sharing!
 
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Hey, as everyone is saying it's a really stupid idea to try it, even if you are already heavy into pills. Just keep popping the pills and pay up for them I'd recommend, and try to handle the withdrawal, although I know how incredibly difficult that is. I recently traded a lot of stuff, like a fuckin half grand worth, for a tiny fentanyl patch just to stay comfortably in bed for the weekend until I can get my next fix (not heroin). Fucking desperation. Not fun. I'm not even high just borderline extremely sick, but still it is so so worth it to me. The trade was so much in their favour, like serious 25 to 1. That's the most desperate I've been for drugs so far. However, I think that people don't understand just how dangerous the alleged 'heroin' of 2016 actually is. They are putting opioids in there as cutting agents that are as potent as LSD. Do you really trust your life with the heroin 'industry'? There is no quality control, you would need a team of specialists with good technical backgrounds to push out a consistent product and it would have to be legal too. The thing you have to realize is that you are not actually purchasing heroin. You're buying 'who knows what' and it can and does kill. You're also making people who don't give a fuck about this planet billionaires. Why not buy off the crippled dude with a pill surplus.

I could go on and on. If you are already big into pills, maybe in like 1990 it would have make a little more sense to switch to dope. But dope isn't really diamorphine anymore. It's much too cut, because there is too much greed and zero regulations that do anything not destructive. Doing heroin in 2016 is like being a virgin and walking on set to a gangbang porno.. you are just going to get fucked.

I tried pure heroin. China White. Once, but for a few months. It was hard to let go, it really is that good, it's personal preference but if you like opiates it is king. The only reason I'm not addicted is that I know if I buy it, I will only be satisfied with the quality around a quarter of the time, or less. Otherwise, I often dispose of it, but I would never use it again. You have to travel to one of the countries it is produced in, because as soon as it leaves the country it becomes very tainted. Trying pure heroin will make you realize how disgusting 100% of the 'street stuff' is. That is the best way to get real heroin I'd say - but you never really know.

Everyone falls on hard times. It takes a lot of courage and strength to bounce back. And in hard times, you might not be able to afford your fix. It totally sucks, it is literally hell on earth. If you want to see what it feels like, take 10mg of oxycodone (percocet) or better yet 5mg! That would get most people plenty high if they want to experience an opioid.

If they actually hired professionals and made a legitimate trade out of it, and I could get it at the pharmacy, I would 100% be an addict for life. But street heroin? Just think of all the greasy hands it has probably touched. It's not ever even close to pure diamorphine so you can't even say you have tried heroin if you get it off the street.
 
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THIS TRUE LIFE STORY IS FILLED WITH MANY REASONS WHY YOU AND OR ANYONE WHO READS THIS SHOULD NEVER EVER TRY HEROIN. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME IF YOU READ MY STORY!! I HOPE THIS TOUCHES SOMEBODY ENOUGH TO NEVER USE HEROIN!
Thank you!

Part: 1

As I cycle all threw my mind way(about 16years ago). I can remember my first experience with drug substances was back when I was 12 years old. My cousins and I were sneaking alcohol as my dad was rolling up a extra long joint. It was New Years Eve and as he finished he told all us kids to go into the other room, to watch the ball drop. So we did. I remember smelling the pugent odor of marijuana flow all threw out the house, as we drank are alcohol mixed drinks and watched T.V. Now this is when I can remember first feeling that warm relaxed comfort brought on by the alcohol as it flowed threw my bloodstream after only a couple drinks. Peacefull relaxation as I watched on the T.V. as the ball dropped for New Year's whooo hooo happy New Year, then usually after a couple more hour's my parent's would come wake me up and take me home where i slept like a little baby... ZzzZz

PART 2:


The next following sequence of events will be me covering the ages of 14-17, thank you for reading all questions and comments are welcome!


As the sweet age of 14 crept up on me, I was soon to experience a whole new drug, and also a life changing decison... I continued on to keep on smoking weed, drinking alcohol and partying my ass off. I played competitive ice hockey from the ages 12-14 at the age of 14 I decided to quit playing, because all I wanted to do was party get high and chase girls. And so I did unfortunately because I was rather very good at this sport. After this came a new school year and the start as freshman in highschool. My old best friend and I always hung out and chilled with the older kids by choice, because they were druggies and had cars. I remember this new drug that was going around all the older kids were doing it, this substance was called crack cocaine. As my friend explaind to me all you have to pay them is 10$ in gas money, and 10$ for crack, this was (14 years ago) So 20$ total back then. I decided I could easily get this money up and some. So one fine day after school my friend and this older kid we knew came and picked me up, both my friend and I had 30$ extra after we paid him.... Well be right back got to post this way


Before we could hit the interstate highway the older kid had to get his 400$ paycheck cashed, so we made a stop at the bank and Were on our way down to the hood/ghetto in no time speading in the fast lane i remember the butterflies as they flew all threw my stomach as a new sensation flowed thru my body. Adrenalin as we arrove and pulled off on the deep down exit off the freeway as we rounded the corner all I remember seeing was homeless junkie bums, boarded up buildings, and burned down houses... Before we turned down the crack spots block all I remember seeing was old nasty prostitutes on every corner of every block then we fastly turned down the block. As we arrived at the crack house we were greeted by older bumy really dirty older men, i remember distinctly shaking one of the older mans hand and having to whipe my hand off afterwords. As we entered the crack house my friend quickly grabbed my t-shirt and pulled me towards him and said "look out" and pointed to a bucket filled to the top with used syringes, also pieces of the floor missing with used syringes all down on the ground that lurked benith the crack house. As the older kid purchased the crack he broke the older crack heads off some and they lit up first as they were all telling me that you do not hit a crack pipe like a weed pipe, so as the pipe made its round to me I had their little technique down. I remember my first hit as energy surge through out my lungs then my blood stream immediately my eyes wideden, my mouth was numb and I felt a new feeling I cannot put in words... Blissfully as i was in a crack induced mind state, my friends were like " you like that, thats mutha fuckin dope". All i can recall is being cracked out. That night I did not sleep at all and the next day my teeth felt all loose and shit was weird, we did this a couple more times and my old bestfriend just got really into it and his mom found out shipped his ass to rehab out in a state about 7States away... But he came home a few months later and thankfully he came home and only wanted to smoke weed and thats all we did, for a very long time untill close to about the age 16 we kind of went are separate ways and unfortunately he got hooked on heroin during the 16-18 stages of his life... Well back to mine all through out my next few ages all i did was smoke weed, drink, and party never touched a pill nothing no crack nothing but weed, and alcohol. Also the upcoming years of 15-17 actually were amazing as I also became the weed man around my area and was making a minimum of 150$ a day at the fine age of 17. I had my own car, cell phone plan, and a wardrobe to wear a pair of jordans and a hat for everyday of the week and weekend. I was the weed man and I loved it all untill I got my mom and dads house raided. At the fine age of 17


This was a very unfortunate time for me .... I had to spend a weekend and a day due to some punk ass fake holiday but anyways my parents thankfully bonded me out... I ended up getting 2 years probation and no jail time and if I completed the hyda probation, which I did..

Part 3 will be picking up right where i just ended and will cover the ages 17- to now present time at the age of 28.

THIS WHOLE STORY. PLEASE LEARN FROM ALL THIS, AND UNDERSTAND ITS NOT THE WISE PATH. IT'S 2016 YOU CAN DO OR BE ANYTHING YOU WANT EVERYONE KEEP YOUR HEAD UP, IF YOUR STRUGGLING YOU WILL SOON NOT STUGGLE NO MORE LIFE IS A CRAZY PLACE AND FULL OF LIFE CHANGING DECISIONS MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY


PLEASE LEARN FROM ALL THESES PARTS.....

THEN NEXT EVENTS WILL BE SPED UP BASICALLY LONGSTORY SHORT FOR THE AGES 17-28 WHICH IS NOW CURRENTV(2016)




As the years progressed all the way to the age of 22. I was working in a factory 12 hours a day 6 days a week.. Was introduced to a new drug that would change my life never had a pill untill the age of 22 this guy gave me about half a cigarette cellophane half full of double cut white bars. After that day I fell in LOVE with xanax (really benzodiazepines) kept getting them from him and he also got me the yellow ones too all for free because he liked me and he had a lot proscribed to him, and he liked that i was a hard worker!

Well the factory was soon to go out of business so I ended up enrolling into community college. The first year was alright, as my xanax habit wasnt as bad yet, plus lost connections with the guy at the old factory.... DEFF Bummed :/ but lucky for me through the many g.fs I had (because all the girls were taking them too) I found a new better price and pick either yellow or double-cut white bars anytime I wanted to stop buy. So as I was saying I passed and made it through my first year of college. But the next year to come was to bring on a whole bunch of new things and challenges.....


Well the before the next year of college started, I really got into xanax and also started to experience with my biggest downfall ever opiates, which included like we all start out with vikes, roxys, oxys, and morphines

As i was in a early morning college class I had to run to the bathroom because i was so nasues, and I started to throw up a bit from being benzo sick, and finally hit me I was addicted to xanax, i couldn't belive how I felt, and how on earth was I going to get through college.... Well I left that day and as the weekend approached, little did I know soon I would be embarking on a journey with my cousin that was going to TRUELY almost completely RUIN MY ENTIRE LIFE!!

Saturday A.M. can come quick for a benzo seeking college student...
But anyways my cousin came over and came in due to he is family and came to my bedroom and woke me up, hey,"heyy" he was saying as he shook me awake zzZzz. He gets me awake I throw on some clothes and he was like "do you want to go to the hood wit me do a little H" at the moment I was broke I told him he said " I got you cuz, lets get out of here before your parents get up". "Ok I said" due to the fact that I was addicted to now benzos and opiates physically and psychologically.

He was driving my uncles car his pops who was now also a full blown H addict. This is all fine high quality east-coast H btw.
But anyways we hit the interstate highway and were on our way to the hood. We arrived pretty deep in the ghetto, the usual homeless junkies holding signs off the freeway, boarded up buildings, burned down houses, prostitutes, and a whole LOT OF DRUG ACTIVITY?.

We met the H dealer at a run-down gas station, very quick transaction.
We quickly sped off to an abandoned area, where fiens get high because litterly when you looked out-side on the ground were used syringes and empty packs of H. As he quickly tied of he threw me a 10$ pack, while he was injecting I jusy remember opening up the pack, and looking at the powder (thinking that doesnt look bad) I sniffed half, and being so dumb and nieve threw the other half out. As I hurried up and drove us out of there he was falling in and out. But then about 15-30 mins later I felt a feeling I could only describe as a true epithany, my eyes grew to pin points, and felt heavy, basically every worry I had in life just disappeared it was crazy but felt soooo goood.

After this I was off to the races every morning on the way to college instead of going to college I got with some H addicts near my old home town and would instead go to the hood and see the dope man my addiction grew larger and larger, and unfortunately I had access to my parents bank account for college(which I stopped going, but they thought I was still going) and I took about 7 thousand and blew it all mostly on H occasionally Crack and then H.

Then one day I went to the bank with my mom, and she checked both their checking account and the savings account they had, that I had access to use. She flipped and was like IDK what were gunna do she was REALLY pissed, I tried to deny it but she knew, and then I do some really dumb irrationally thinking because I panicked, I ontained a ride got my g.f at the time wife now and decided that me and her were just going to run away and start a new life in California, so I stole more money and ran with her like a dummy. I had near about 4000$. Didnt say anything to anyone, but then went to the hood and scored a very good amount of H that I had her smuggle via plane ride for me. I bought 2 plane tickets for us and in a few hours we would be on our way.

Once we arrived at LAX Airport, I had been to cali before and knew a few spots by Venice beach so we found a hotel and settled in. But we knew we would have to get jobs, so this was the objective. But of course prolly not even 5 days there my wife was home sick and wanted to go home, and I told her because we thought we were going to have warrants(which we didn't)
you do realize if we go back, were going to jail, and she didnt care jusy wanted to go, we had some good times there though but it is very expensive to live in California!!

So we took a greyhound bus home, 5 day trip because it almost seems as the workers are all against you and will just board you on any bus, it should of only been 2-3 bus trip, but thanks too the horrible workers that will not help you it was a 5 day trip. It was nice only part when we got to see all the mountains and all terains which was pretty cool, but we were also H sick so that was rough too...


But we finally made it back home, I had a friend waiting at the station ready to pick us up and go hit up the H house and crack house due that I still had about 450$-500$ and an X-box 360 I sold for like 120$ back then. I got super high and got my girl nice n high, and of course paid my friend.

Well I knew I couldn't go to my parents house, and at the time wasnt aloud in my girls. But i thought one person I spent thousand of dollars would take me in .... WRONG I was straight up homeless no where to go, litterly sleeping out-side. .......... BE RIGHT BACK WILL FINISH RIGHT WHERE I LEFT OFF

Well as I cont. To sleep out-side, only about 3 days, my wife pointed out an abandoned house in our neighborhood, so that night I went over there and sure as shit the door just opened up, now I never stole anything from the house, in fact there was nothing to steal anyways. But it still had running water which was rather nice got to shower n get clean after 3days of sleeping on the streets. So I had her come over that night and she brought me some food, we both stayed the night in the abandoned house. Well then the next morning came and I tried to tell her to sneak out maybe go the back way, but her being nieve she walked right out the front and as I watched her walk out a woman saw her and maybe me in the window but i hurried and ducked down... But this wasnt enough, I watched her from a view she couldnt see me and she was just staring at the house, obviously looking for movement of any sort. Well she came back the right way through the back yard, after I told her what happened....

Well right around rigin before darktime the police came rolling into the driveway, not thinking I left a couple packs of H inside the abandoned house. We both ran and jumped out the window me first then her and ran as fast as we could, when he said stop taser, I was gone not in their taser distance, but I looked back at my wife and she was in taser distance and obviously wasn't stopping unless I stopped and so I did. I was tired of running from warrants I didnt even have. And being homeless is rough!

So they arrested us both, and took us back to the station and immediately seperated us. I told them bastard cops all the H was mine and she didnt have anything to do with this situation, and I told them send her home, I will take all the wrap! But these dirty son of a bitch cops go in the room where shes at, and told her I was putting it all on her.... So she also got the same charges, which Im still pissed about!! We both were charged at first with poss. of heroin less than a gram, then home invasion.... Now if this wasnt such a small town we never would of got charged with home Invasion, it would of only been a simple tresspassing charge, people squat in all kinds of abandoned homes in the city, and dont get steep charges like we received. But anyways this was both are first time actually going to do jail time. We both got 6months and 2years probation due to the fact these were are first felonies, and they dropped the home invasion charges to B.E. charge for both of us, plus the poss. of heroin.

So after we got released we had to deal with 2years probation which included details like a No contact order that we never paid attention to, and she lived at my house. Also no drinking, and or any drugs, and no criminal behavior. Well we both lasted only a few days, and were impacted by the damn peer pressure and started fucking around again with the H. Also right around this time is when we switched from snorting H to the ultimate IVing with a syringe. This is when we got really bad, and to add on to our madness we were both on felony probation. Well one day I did something very stupid, my sister was letting my son play on an older I-phone at my parents house where we were at. One day we were sick and I had no money so I stole the phone and took it to my dope man, and only received a half-gram of H for it, but at that time I didnt care.... Well after about a week, my sister called the house to speak with my mom, and now she wants the I-phone back.... I couldnt belive it, I denied it for the longest time. Finally my sister had enough because on top of stealing the I-phone I was taking my moms car to go get right every morning, NO MATTER WHAT, half the time I would just wake up early and take the keys from her purse and would go get high everyday with my girl(wife now). Well I had heroin parharphnalia tons of empty baggies, a couple syringes and a spoon right under my bed. My sister came over when I was gone scoring heroin, and she wrecked all my new xbox 360 games, then called my probation officer and told him all that. So he sent the cops there(thankfully I was in the hood) the cops came found all my shit and then obviously told my p.o who then violated me.... Then no more than 2 days later on a cold night with warrant in had the cops were pounding on my door.... They eventually found me and halled my ass back to jail, where I was sentenced to 11 months with 180 some days of credit that I didnt have to do.

Then I was released, and when I came home things were all bad my girl was back on IV H and fucking up her probation bad. My mom was taking a very large excess of oxycodone, she used to take 4 OP 80mg pills, and 2 roxy 30mg pills a day and shes like 5'6 130-140 weight... Now shes on methadone but thats another story for another time. But my girl being on IV H and fuckin up probation had severe affects on me, I tried to help in the beginning due to the fact she had a large amount of 4mg suboxone strips. But then my dumbass started taking them, I was a free man, I was on no probation so I thought I could take some. Long story short she went back to jail, and probably not even 2 weeks after she went back I got busted committing another B.E that would of fueled my horrible IV habit. She ended up getting 9months and I got 10months both of us only did county time together too. Both of us completely changed our lives around, found our higher power, and got really healthy, and I got ripped lol. But we both were very healthy mind, body, and spirit upon release. Once I got out, because she got out a few days and a month earlier she moved back into my parents house. Well the first few months were amazing we lived normal lives, did the daily bread, and turned our selves over to our higher power, also worked out and swam alot. Then one day I was having urges to try just a lil methadone, so I waited for the right time and got the methadone and only took a couple sips, the shit was so strong it kept me high for 2days off only a couple sips. So I kept doing this on and off behind everyones back(SO STUPID). Then my mom started to realize that I was dipping in her shit. Then it was put in their safe and no more of that.... Well my addict mind started to get the best of me and instead of getting help, I created a hidden facebook and added all the dopefiens I knew about 2days later I had my first 2 bags of H dropped off to me. I immediately IVed it I'm way passed even thinking about snorting. Well after that, you all already know what happened, eventually I brought my wife back down to using H again with me. But this time we thankfully caught our selves before it was too late, and now both take suboxone daily, and have been H free for almost 2 years now. We both still smoke weed, I dont suggest this if you are trying to recover and get completely clean.

BUT NOW TO THE MAJOR HARM REDUCTION, NOW BECAUSE OF THE CRAZY, EXTREME, LIFESTYLE OF A DRUG ADDICT, AND ALSO GOING THROUGH ALL THE SHIT YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH WHEN INCARCERATED. WHEN I CAME HOME I WASNT THE SAME AND STILL TO THIS DAY AM STILL FUCKED UP.

NOW I HAVE A TON OF MENTAL HEALTH PROBLEMS, ALSO EPILEPSY AND SEIZURES.

SO ON TOP OF THE SUBOXONE I TAKE, I also have to take daily the following prescriptions.

I take for my mental health problems and epilepsy: Phenobarbital 32.4mgs twice daily
Xanax 1mg three times a day
Remeron 15mg once at night
Sometimes seroquel at night rarely
Also have to go to CBT counseling twice a week.

SO THE HARM REDUCTION IS PLEASE NEVER, NEVER TRY HEROIN IT IS A HORRIBLE DRUG THAT WILL RUIN YOU, PLEASE TAKE ALL THIS STORY AS A LEARNING EXP. PLEASE YOU DO NOT WANT TO END UP IN MY SHOES, ALSO YOU DONT WANT TO HAVE TO TAKE MEDICATION JUST TO BE NORMAL, UNLESS YOU REALLY, REALLY NEED IT.
PART 3 AND THE HARM REDUCTION OF THIS WHOLE STORY. PLEASE LEARN FROM ALL THIS, AND UNDERSTAND ITS NOT THE WISE PATH. IT'S 2016 YOU CAN DO OR BE ANYTHING YOU WANT EVERYONE KEEP YOUR HEAD UP, IF YOUR STRUGGLING YOU WILL SOON NOT STUGGLE NO MORE LIFE IS A CRAZY PLACE AND FULL OF LIFE CHANGING DECISIONS MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY


PLEASE LEARN FROM ALL THESES PARTS.....
 
As you said...that was a basic guide. I appreciated that nuance.

I'm a neuropsychopharmacologist and former addict. Psychotropic drugs are actually why I got into this field and now I do brain disease research (a lot more gratifying than dope). I'm very lucky I got out this awful habit. Jail was the sobering experience. Of course, after 12 hours before getting bailed out...I was entering early withdrawal and was desperate to get home. What did I do? I injected what I had "luckily" left at my home the night before before calling my hook to get my last g of black tar before using suboxone to taper off. WHO in their right or wrong minds inject h within an hour after being released from jail for possession? The addict.

The addict comes in many forms. And it's the answer to almost every question written in this forum. I'm smart--I'd like to think. But I nearly ruined my life, my future, and everything else I've recovered along the way by being stupid. And that's because I was a very active addict. Addicts don't "think" or "decide" or weigh the cost/benefits or "analyze" the long term outcome of taking a drug (or any addictive drug) whose sole recreational purpose is a short term high. If you're not an addict, you'd never consider dabbling with heroin. You wouldn't even know what to do with it...which means you're in the company of people who do; and they will help you get your first high and even teach you how to IV or smoke it to either buy from them or so they can latch onto you as a drug buddy. This is not good company and you didn't get here by dialing 411. If you've reached this level of making the "choice," you've already made it and you're already an addict pills--most likely.

The mephrone addict--I'm very curious to know what you hoped to gain from this. In my experience, each time I googled the answer to a risky "decision," the answer was mostly horror stories of why I shouldn't. And I knew they would be, but I checked to see if they were scary enough to dissuade me or to see if better answers were later posted that absolved my worries. So...I mean this in no condescending way...I think anyone 3 years clean off mephedrone who is describing with nostalgic luster all the ways it was amazing while asking if it's okay to try heroin...I think you're really asking for our permission to use it without the guilt of a solo relapse. If you're an addict now--a true addict--you're an addict forever. And if you lose sight of that fact and the fact you're more prone to making (and clearly considering) poor decisions based on the chase for psychotropic exceptional own, then you're too far into your clean time to remember why it was so vital to be clean in the first place. This isn't just NA gimmicks...it's science.

SOME people can get addicted to drugs after one use. Not physical dependence, but an immediate need to use that drug to fill a void in your mind that desperately needs some mesolimbic massaging. It's rarer for first time non-addicts, but I do know many people with crippling social anxiety disorders who took a Xanax or Klonopin and felt like they just found an answer to a problem they were only moments earlier convinced was tragically unsolvable. They saw benzodiazepines (mom's 0.5mg) or opioids (starting from one of dad's 5/500 Vicodin) as their panacea--or silver bullet. It's laughable to think a 5/500 hydrocodone got them blitzed but almost every h addict started with that first giddy, innocent pill they found in a medicine cabinet or had prescribed. No new news here. But h users and pill users don't choose this way of life because they can't possibly foresee it. And most addicts aren't selfish degenerates...they're simply in pain and are confined by an illness or thought pattern that they can't shake. Certain people are predisposed towards addiction. Depression, OCD, ADHD, any anxiety, PTSD, bipolar, schizophrenic, and more. If you have a naturally unregulated or poorly balanced relationship between the brain regions controlling fear (amygdala), serotonergic projections from the raphe nuclei to higher cognition (prefrontal cortex), your dopaminergic and GABAergic neurons in your mesolimbic reward pathway that also rank food and sex and other naturally addictive, but necessary survival "vices" as pleasurable, along with all glutamatergic signaling that cofire with, and therefore strengthen any dopaminergic outputs and neuron connections created by unnatural sources of pleasure, like drugs, you are exponentially more likely to create these connections through synaptic plasticity because your brain simply isn't deriving enough happiness from its environment or physical activities. Some people turn to food or sex to get that high. Others use drugs. Drugs are external, exogenous sources of pleasure, so they stimulate our brains pleasure & reward pathway on a much higher magnitude and with greater frequency and duration than either food or sex. The brain eventually needs that drug so badly that it will rank its perceived reward from that drug well above food and sex to the point an addict will neglect their nutrition to fund their habit and neglect their relationships until they're gone.

This can be more than a kids' KPBS PSA. With continued stimulation of the mu-opioid receptor, morphinian drugs and synthetic narcotics, like methadone, Demerol, or fentanyl (10,000x more potent at the receptor than morphine), these receptors get internalized into the cell due to constant stimulation. They are recycled by cellular enzymes leaving fewer receptors to stimulate--so also less positive output. This is tolerance.

Dependence comes soon after once the body's natural endorphins are unable to compete with the increasing synaptic floods of opioids, so they stop operating the natural opioid pathway. As more receptors are internalized through an enzyme-dependent process called phosphorylation, signals are sent via multiple intermediate proteins until they enter the nucleus and bind to a protein called CREB. This protein binds to genes related to receptor expression and causes our DNA to transcribe and our mRNA to translate/create new proteins called JNK and another I can't remember. Visit Wikipedia's addiction page. It has a fantastic diagram. At this point, we've taken the drug long enough to technically alter how our DNA expresses itself for roughly 3 months. During those 3 months, even if we're clean, the change in expression of our gene related proteins reinforces the physical connections in our brain this dependence took place through. This is addiction. I'm tired. Stay safe
 
SOME people can get addicted to drugs after one use. Not physical dependence, but an immediate need to use that drug to fill a void in your mind that desperately needs some mesolimbic massaging. It's rarer for first time non-addicts, but I do know many people with crippling social anxiety disorders who took a Xanax or Klonopin and felt like they just found an answer to a problem they were only moments earlier convinced was tragically unsolvable. They saw benzodiazepines (mom's 0.5mg) or opioids (starting from one of dad's 5/500 Vicodin) as their panacea--or silver bullet. It's laughable to think a 5/500 hydrocodone got them blitzed but almost every h addict started with that first giddy, innocent pill they found in a medicine cabinet or had prescribed. No new news here. But h users and pill users don't choose this way of life because they can't possibly foresee it. And most addicts aren't selfish degenerates...they're simply in pain and are confined by an illness or thought pattern that they can't shake. Certain people are predisposed towards addiction. Depression, OCD, ADHD, any anxiety, PTSD, bipolar, schizophrenic, and more. If you have a naturally unregulated or poorly balanced relationship between the brain regions controlling fear (amygdala), serotonergic projections from the raphe nuclei to higher cognition (prefrontal cortex), your dopaminergic and GABAergic neurons in your mesolimbic reward pathway that also rank food and sex and other naturally addictive, but necessary survival "vices" as pleasurable, along with all glutamatergic signaling that cofire with, and therefore strengthen any dopaminergic outputs and neuron connections created by unnatural sources of pleasure, like drugs, you are exponentially more likely to create these connections through synaptic plasticity because your brain simply isn't deriving enough happiness from its environment or physical activities. Some people turn to food or sex to get that high. Others use drugs. Drugs are external, exogenous sources of pleasure, so they stimulate our brains pleasure & reward pathway on a much higher magnitude and with greater frequency and duration than either food or sex. The brain eventually needs that drug so badly that it will rank its perceived reward from that drug well above food and sex to the point an addict will neglect their nutrition to fund their habit and neglect their relationships until they're gone.

This can be more than a kids' KPBS PSA. With continued stimulation of the mu-opioid receptor, morphinian drugs and synthetic narcotics, like methadone, Demerol, or fentanyl (10,000x more potent at the receptor than morphine), these receptors get internalized into the cell due to constant stimulation. They are recycled by cellular enzymes leaving fewer receptors to stimulate--so also less positive output. This is tolerance.

Dependence comes soon after once the body's natural endorphins are unable to compete with the increasing synaptic floods of opioids, so they stop operating the natural opioid pathway. As more receptors are internalized through an enzyme-dependent process called phosphorylation, signals are sent via multiple intermediate proteins until they enter the nucleus and bind to a protein called CREB. This protein binds to genes related to receptor expression and causes our DNA to transcribe and our mRNA to translate/create new proteins called JNK and another I can't remember. Visit Wikipedia's addiction page. It has a fantastic diagram. At this point, we've taken the drug long enough to technically alter how our DNA expresses itself for roughly 3 months. During those 3 months, even if we're clean, the change in expression of our gene related proteins reinforces the physical connections in our brain this dependence took place through. This is addiction. I'm tired. Stay safe

I find most of your inputs very interesting and insightful.
I myself haven't ever realized it only needed one dose to get my attention.
And I like how you described how the dependence becomes so alive.
Thanks for sharing.
 
. At this point, we've taken the drug long enough to technically alter how our DNA expresses itself for roughly 3 months. During those 3 months, even if we're clean, the change in expression of our gene related proteins reinforces the physical connections in our brain this dependence took place through. This is addiction. I'm tired. Stay safe
I found this quite interesting.
 
I'm on a 5 week long coke binge right now, thinking about either smoking or injecting this white demon drug, wanting to try "harder" drugs, and I say hell yeah try H! One time for the "one time," right? Don't ruin your life, but if you do, go big or go home.
 
No no and no...look! Let me put it like this. Herion is hero-wen? It will screw ur life up 6LUV.ONLY 3% of herion addicts come clean and stay clean,its emotional,psyicaly and mently addictive.it steals ur soul.u end up using just to function.u dnt even get high nomore,u get to a point wer u cant even find viens and ull shoot almost anywer just to take away the sick (the withdraws) its nt funny or cool,TRUST ME! Iv been shooting for 15 yrs,Im a 30 yr old woman.thats been blessed with good genetics.i should of been dead,iv tasted death many times and thank God everyday for keeping me alive.i started drugs early at 11 with weed and alchoel, i then exsperiented with pills and coke from 12,i first tried herion by injection at 13,bt i was doing somany other drugs i only did h a few times on and off,carful nt to do 2wice in a row,thats wen it grabs u,i did crystal and kat for yrs,trance parties,home,wer ever.i started using h again at 15 smokin,at 17 i was shooting,and iv never stopped since.iv tried to clean up many times,tha longest iv been clean for was 3mnths,iv been on tha streets and gail,iv nevr sold my body,i make "Queducters" (plans to spin money) and i hustle,straight up ask ppl for money.im cleaning up again,by sleep therapy detox,rehab,then ibogain treatment.this time for good.iv got a 5 yr old daughter who is truelly a Angel,b4 she was born i was was so skinny and down hill i shud be dead.she saved my life.yes im still regrectfuly still using,however im much better and healthyer than wot i was.yes.ppl its ure choice to use or not.but really its really nt worth it.choose life,nt death..LIFE!!!;)
 
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