Harm Reduction ⫸Should I Try HEROIN?⫷

[ItsclearlyFake]

Hey man, there's always going to be that little voice in your head saying "what if". What if it helps me? What if I can handle it this time?

But if you're someone that's had an issue with opioids or drugs in the past... generally speaking there's a good chance you'll abuse it or spiral out again. And these days, heroin is so shady and potentially laced with fentanyl, even in dnm's that insist it's not, that it's a very physical danger of OD.

If I was in your circumstances I would be saying the same things to myself. But I'm not, so it's much easier for me to say just toss it. Shit I mean, if you have a friend (not some dipshit who'll accidentally hurt themselves and link back to you) to give or sell it to, so your money and the product isn't totally wasted, do that. But I would urge you to get rid of it. There are much safer opioids to use recreationally.

And if you are going to keep it, I would urge you to fentanyl test it. Stay doing those tiny doses. Don't inject it. Don't smoke it. Stay alive please.

And if you need support on the other front about the porn and stims, there are no judgement support groups out there. I for one have struggled with a lot of the same things and will say my dm's are always open if you need someone to chat with or support you when you're feeling like binging on that.

Thanks man, anyways 10 minutes after writing the message I started reading this topic back from the beggining and I started to have a very bad intuition I shouldn't be messing around with this... I instantly flushed it afterwards... I think I dodged a bullet for sure LOL

 

[nepalnt21]

tbh, if your goal is to seek out euphoric opioid experiences, i wouldn't say heroin is the best.

dilaudid is the best i've had (edit - or maybe opium, i'd have to do a side by side comparison), next is suboxone.

heroin was just ok.

i would NEVER risk a fentanyl o.d. to get high on the stuff (never injected it), but i would try a for sure prescription opioid again... i've always wanted to try opana.

morphine is ok, right about where heroin is (surprise surprise), and honestly i think opium poppies give me the best experience overall now that i think back. it was nice, longlasting, good music enhancer... had to lie down, though, cause of nausea... good thing i didn't die.

must have been the combo of different compounds? or set and setting.

but dilaudid takes the cake in terms of euphoria and lack of side fx... just perfect level of relaxation and dopamine fix.

 

[Fertile]

People tell me dilaudid has a good rush but not much of a high. I can remember people saying Opana (oxyM) was their favourite.

But it's often drugs that are opiates AND something else that are the most euphoric. Levorphanol is rated my many and that is an opiate & an NMDA antagonist. So is ketobemidone.

Tilidine isn't a strong opioid but I've read German people saying that it was ery euphoric - opiate, DRI & NMDA antagonist. Briefly nortilidine was an RC and the same people spoke of it in wonder.

But for people who like pills - dextromoramide was very special. VARY dangerous as well. Not something to play with and I have to say I'm glad they got rid of it.

 

[bingey]

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Dextromoramide is still prescribed in my country (Netherlands) . 2,5 and 5 mg pills.

 

[Fertile]

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Dextromoramide is still prescribed in my country (Netherlands) . 2,5 and 5 mg pills.

Another Dutch reader told me it's use was stopped last year. It was used to help people struggling with heroin dependence but apparently no more. Maybe you could search some Dutch media sites to find out why. I suspect it's because it was only used in small amounts and only in The Netherlands. It's quite complex to make so small-batch synthesis would be very costly indeed. It's chiral (hence the 'dextro' in it's name) so when it's made, 50% of it is removed so overall yield will not be great.

The other reason could simply be that it doesn't work. If you keep on giving people an IV-heroin kind of rush, people's psychological dependence won't be lost. I know the Dutch do a good job helping people but heroin assisted therapy is also in use and it could be that it's as effective.

 

[bingey]

I think youre right but to my knowledge it was used only for the terminally ill.

For heroin dependancy there is methadone/bupe and in some citys small scale heroin projects.

 

[Pill Clinton]

To Whom it may concern:
PLEASE, do NOT try HEROIN!
I could say it will take everything beautiful in your life away. I could say it will take away you're girlfriend, Fiancé & Wife away & if you have children I will promise you you will break their hearts every time you see them. I could tell you I overdosed face first into the cold hearted streets and it still didn't stop me, I could say and sound like the guy you least want to hear but please understand people of ALL ages it's going to not only end up killing you're family but YOU. One by one those around you will distance themselves. I could tell you about the time at Christmas when I faceplanted into the Xmas tree. and broke all the presents dropped all evidence for my family to see. The time I dropped a fing3r on the ground at a party when everybody thought I was "sober", how it won't have you on the Methadone Clinic at age 18 then only to be kick backed out when you can't pay cause you wanna play with X.Y and Z. I could tell you how it ruined a Pregnancy. I could tell you that My best friend used ALONE all by himself and died because I wasn't with him and it haunts me and I have horrible dreams. But more, importantly if you decide to use this know it is all bogus synthetics now .
If you pick up that IV make sure it's clean. Never share with with anybody that is the IV's. If you're not using it and you know a dear friend/girlfriend is keep narcan with you AT ALL TIMES! Please, do the re-search here. Try to never use alone , make sure someone knows you're home.
HEROIN changed faces and it continues to every single day. If you deicide to use know........People here are you're friend. Never be afraid to ask for HELP.
Last of all......Be ready for the worst at all times.
I'm just saying what's happened around me in my life and my friends and family's life. please if you haven't do not pick it up!
God Bless All.
-P.C

 

[Fertile]

I think youre right but to my knowledge it was used only for the terminally ill.

For heroin dependancy there is methadone/bupe and in some citys small scale heroin projects.

Yeah - but oral dextromoramide produces a rush very similar to IV heroin. just why this is the case I don't know. It's LogP is 3.2 i.e. quite low so it will be transported to the brain quickly. It's affinity has not been calculated but when you consider that it's x3 the potency of morphine while having a MW 50% higher than morphine, it suggests a very high affinity indeed.

Dextromoramide is a wonderful example of how Janssen really put in the effort to testing hundreds of closely related drugs. ONLY the pyrrolidine amide has significant opioid activity. He tried 114 related compounds and ONLY that one had decent activity.

Of course, it should be noted that Janssen gave up researching the 3,3-diphenyl butanone class of opioid in favour of the phenylpiperidine class (such as phenoperidine) to which he amended with the fentanyl modification BECAUSE the chemistry was significantly simpler. Other researchers found phenapromide and propiram and discovered that they could modify it in the manner of fentanyl derivatives to produce compounds that were just as active. In the end Janssen just tried applying the modifications that made fentanyl more potent to phenapromide/propiram derivatives and discovered that it similarly increased activity. The 4-phenyl-4-hydroxy derivative of phenapromide is x150 morphine in potency.

 

[amnesiaseizure]

I used to be a smack head and it was all great, never had a care in the world except the odd phone call and bike ride to pick up. My problems came when I stopped.

 

[Fertile]

I used to be a smack head and it was all great, never had a care in the world except the odd phone call and bike ride to pick up. My problems came when I stopped.

If finances, relationship issues and problems with the law didn't affect you, I'm very impressed that you stopped. I mainly just stick to what I am prescribed (40 mg oxycodone [BID]) and occasionally ibuprofen & codeine tablets. But always for pain. Or, rather, pain severe enough to prevent me from carrying on with my life.

I won't say I do not like opioids, but above quite a modest dose, I do not get any more euphoria e.g. 1 gram of H doesn't get me any higher than 200mg (UK H is about 50% pure). Likewise (and similar in strength), any more than 80mg of oxycodone doesn't do any more. Did you find the same?

 

[amnesiaseizure]

If finances, relationship issues and problems with the law didn't affect you, I'm very impressed that you stopped. I mainly just stick to what I am prescribed (40 mg oxycodone [BID]) and occasionally ibuprofen & codeine tablets. But always for pain. Or, rather, pain severe enough to prevent me from carrying on with my life.

I won't say I do not like opioids, but above quite a modest dose, I do not get any more euphoria e.g. 1 gram of H doesn't get me any higher than 200mg (UK H is about 50% pure). Likewise (and similar in strength), any more than 80mg of oxycodone doesn't do any more. Did you find the same?

I was being somewhat tongue in cheek - from my perspective things were generally all fine but yep, life was eroding around me regarding relationships, finances, health etc, all the typical stuff. The real change happened when I went and shared my genes with g/f at the time. Which is likely to be a positive thing as we were about to run to Spain to get away from debt and attempt to detox there…which would of prob ended very badly with how available and cheap heroin is there.

Had a couple of lapses since but no habit at all since 2012. Currently reducing the codeine I’ve taken daily for the past 8-9 years and getting there with that too. I reckon a big part of being able to stick with sobriety somewhat better than others is an early 9 month stint in rehab when I was 25 - they taught all the tools to stay sober if you want to use them.

 

[Fertile]

I'm someone who can take heroin once every few years and not feel the need to do it again and again. In fact, a few months ago someone gave me a good £20 of H to smoke. I smoked a little and handed the foil back. It actually scared me. On top of the oxycodone, it could have ended up badly.

Also, having had access to bulk U-47700 and some other (then legal) potent opioids, H wasn't that amazing. I'm glad I was careful with U4 as I could get it free.

 

[Birkenhead_Opiate_Lover]

I've done different 12 opioids, all the regular like oxycodone, tramadol, codeine, buprenorphine, many different RC-opioids, RC-fentanyls and so on. Is heroin really much different from opium, oxycodone or the RC-oxycodone which are really powerful? Heroin is only opioid I haven't touched because I have this image it makes you instantly addicted. I've smoked oxycodone that effects you in 2 seconds powerfully. I've been addicted to opium for 2 years, it will give you worst WD's of all opioids, 3-6 months, maybe even worse than methadone. Not really interested to try heroin, but I would like to know is it really different from any other opioid? Difference lies in that you cant take it orally, I've never IV'd anything and not planning, buti with heroin you either smoke, snort or IV it. I like take everything orally, snorting or smoking always shorter high.

I've smoked very pure crystal meth maybe 5 times and snorted it several times, I prefer dexamphetamine, but I've never got "addicted" to them, Ive used them 15 years every now and then.

Hello pal, where are you based? I'm a heroin addict of 20 years I'm 38 now. I presume you're in the US??? There's no opium here, although a trip to Chinatown in Liverpool might be an idea? We get Afghani number 3 heroin, which I smoke, although years ago I went through a (terrible) stage of hitting crack and smack up, a speedball as it's known here. As for Crystal Meth, I've never been offered or heard of anyone selling it. And if you swallow heroin orally, it turns into morphine in ur stomach apparently. Take care and be safe my friend

 

[themediumlebowski]

No.

It will rob you of everything you own.
Stuff, personality, mind, body, spirit, heart.

The high is nowhere near as good as the heroin chic fads that come and go suggest.
Frankly I enjoyed weed more.

Unfortunately I did far too many Nangs one night and it seems to have caused a permanent change in how my brain reacts to thc..which is an unusually messed up form of brain damage.
I was given nangs as a child which resulted in me attempting to recall repressed memories as an adult,

Thought gear would help self medicate said memories but it does not.

Steer clear imo, there are worse horror stories than mine that should serve as a warning if what I said doesn’t

 

[themediumlebowski]

P.s the hotlinks from the op are all from when it was .ru instead of .org so none of them work

 

[Nas47]

NO

 

[The realHC]

NO Its great until you are doing 10 to 15 bags a day and cant go a day without it .
H is like nowhere anymore . Its just all fent these days .

 

[SpiralusSancti]

I would never recommend someone trying heroin, and I’m talking about real heroin and not just who knows what.

And if person asking should I try heroin has remotely addictive personality, it’s a huge no.

If person has a lot of trauma and issues it’s a huge no (as many substances and techniques are better in almost all cases).

In fact only people I would recommend trying heroin are those who are about to commit suicide (maybe feeling as good as heroin causes would melt away their worries enough to not kill themselves) or people in such a strong pain (physical or otherwise) that it’s unbearable and they tried all other options. Those people and variations on that theme (like geriatric patients too, victims of terrible abuse..) in fact those would be provided medical heroin or other strong stuff in a society that cares. Not all, maybe not many would be saved but some would be. Of those who would get benefits from such a addictive drug not many, but some would be able to stop after their condition improves and in worst cases I think even just upping the dose to keep pain tolerable is better option than just forsaking those. This isn’t likely to become option anytime soon and real reason is that most medical professionals have mindset that something that euphoric and recreational can’t be used as a medicine. For same reason many countries still don’t have even medical weed or use it for extramly limited case, as maybe it works but hey, we would have number of stoned people and that still simply isn’t acceptable in most of the world. It comes down to what Shulgin said, in short – euphoria isn’t wrong and bad state, dysphoria is.

 

[Ron123]

I started heroine because we thought it was cool. Sherlock holmes used it.
We read about it in so many books and movies.
Friends were doing it so lets chase some smack on a tin foil. First trip was cool. Really enjoyed it.
They say its addictive but I didnt do it again for a week. Then we would do it only on the weekends.
Then it became one day midweek. Before you know it was everyday.
Then it became if you don't do it your as sick as a dog. You cant even get out of bed. From there we discovered Morphine. Pharmacy grade. the logic was oh we kicked our heroine habit and only take Morphine. From there it went to Bupe Injections from there it went to bupe tablets and blink your eyes 40-50 years have passed.
In 89 I had a short relapse. Right after taking it. The first thing that struck me is man what a shitty high. Then on day 3 when the widthdawls started. I took a hit. It finally struck me the real high of Heroine is not the high you get after taking it. That high only lasts a few times.
The real heroine trip is the relif you get when your body is screaming out in pain. And you take that first hit. The warmth and the way in which the pain and missery vanishes is what the real trip is about.

What a sick crappy high. You want to experiment with drugs by all means go for it. But heroine is really for stupid people.
It rewires you brain. You can never go back to normal. Trust me when I say this is not something you want to mess with 30+ years on MAT and I can never live a normal life ever again.
Any drug you take is going to mess with your brains dopamine circuits. There is a price to be paid. The piper must be paid.
All you can do when high is Nod. There is no productivity. Nothing you do can be improved or helped by Heroine.
I had a lot of friends who said oh I only use it once in a blue moon and I can stop at anytime. And for a few years they would do this.
I used to wonder how the hell they pull this off. But give it a few years. Now when I meet them. they are all addicted I ask them what happend its always the same story. Looks like heroine won and I lost. Is their answer.
I used to think I was special and I could take a few shots just for fun. And only idiots got addicted. How wrong I was.
And lastly you don't get smarter or do anything better on drugs. Drugs are just mentally unhealthy people trying to find the best medication possible to make the pain stop.
I have a theory on addiction scales.
Why some people are more addictive than others. Its all down to your basic mental health.
A smarter way of resolving this is to see a shrink and get prescribed the right meds to deal with your mental health problems.
Drugs like heroine are dangerous because even if your mentally healthy when you try it. Soon you will be mentally unhealthy.

 

[Bury The Light]

I tried heroine a couple of times already and I don't regret it. (yet...?) I didn't get instantly addicted, also any withdrawal connected with H isn't in my experience. But I'm far, far away from that delusional thinking that I have everything under control or something. RESPECT is the key thing. You owe it to the substance that dangerous as heroine any time you touch it. I have loads of respect for heroine. Surely it can ruin your life, and mine also. But it probably never be my favourite substance. It has its own pros and cons and I can more or less already evaluate, that there are some better things.

Heroine has this special kind of "poppy" high and a lot of euphoria, but I prefer less of euphoria and more of that dark, overwhelming state fentanyl is capable of giving. And for every day use I really much prefer just codeine (sometimes morphine too), because with it I feel much more in control, more "free" and I really very much appreciate that feeling to be able of living your life! I've been in slavery of addiction already - many times before, many years of my life was destroyed by that and it's really not something anyone sane would want to pursue.

I can very well imagine what it would be like to be in such heroin captivity - and just the thought makes me sick! It must be devastating. It's not that hard for me to imagine myself in that situation. Because I know this is entirely possible! If you also think of trying heroine, then I suggest to try the same. Just accept that this fate might be eventually possible, even if now it may seem doubtful. Maybe, if you remember of that vision strongly enough, then it never happen - MAYBE. But there is certain risk attached and it must be taken into consideration.

Really - if anyone has some hestitation about trying heroine and still thinks about it, reads about it - then it's better to not do it. Unfortunately, for my non-existent self-preservation instinct, the thought that you shouldn't try something that has the chemical structure of an opioid (which means for me, that it must be really good and worthy to give it a try) starts only on crocodile. I'm afraid I might even try fentanyl analogues in the future. With ability to somehow not be physically dependent and relatively low tolerance it might be very bad idea.

When I think of it, I must admit that heroine isn't the most dangerous drug in the world, really. Also I don't like it that much when I think of it, because it evokes associations of dinginess and filth in the shadow of the staircases of blocks of flats. My favourite fentanyl is crystal clear, ferociously dangerous and just plainly better. Of course any normal person shouldn't try either of those two soul-eating, brain-damaging monsters, but if you really want to - then I already know that you'll find the way. And I can only wish luck with not loosing all your life in the process.