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Harm Reduction ⫸Official Plugging/Rectal Administration Megathread⫷

Been gone for a good two weeks or so, while in the field working... And now upon my return, this thread has come to a discussion about constapation and opiates, and fibers this and fibers that, and alternative remedies such as an aenima... and I'm sure there are a lot of different ways to go about it.

I tried using S_A_F_I (an Indian homeopathic medicine that essentially is a product that has arisen from the ayurveda field of science/knowledge/history). It seemed to work, and I followed the suggested dosage and cure for IBS or constipation, which was 2 teaspoonfuls a day for 10 days. And since that time some many months ago, while I was still on heroin daily, I have been using it as a supplement on and off...

Other than that linseeds are another good alternative, that also deserves some testing by trial and error and so on... I use linseed oil and S_A_F_I in my smoothies these days (but mind you, I am not entirely sure what it is about linseeds that help with the motion in the ocean down in the intestines, but a quick Google and Wikipedia search should point in the direction of some relevant articles as far as I remember).

The problem with S_A_F_I is that there have been reports of high arsenic content, but I think that the manufacturers have adjusted the product after these indications were published, but not too sure, so do some research before you start using it daily, especially if it was just placebo that I experienced. But then again, thousands of years of ayurvedic practice has led to some wonderful discoveries and remedies, and I'm all about using natural products, rather than pharmaceutical, as much as possible.

S_A_F_I is marketed as a blood purifier, and contains extracts from a shitload (excuse the pun) of different useful plants. It should be available in any standard Pakistani or Indian store/supermarket in most parts of the world, as it is used by most Indian families as a natural remedy against a wide range of symptoms. But I think the modern generation of westernised Indians and Pakistanis are slowly starting to think that it is bullshit, but I have a faint belief that it actually works wonders for many things.

Hope everyone on the opiate roller coaster had a good shit today. I had a somewhat good shit, but the majority reminded me of a pile of dry goat shit pellets, just a little bigger. 8o Too much info? Suck it up :p =D

1 <3 bwanajzj

P.S. S_A_F_I doesn't contain the underscores between the letters, but I just don't want this post showing up on Google when people search for info about the product. BoardReader, for example, is really efficient at finding posts here on BL, and usually they pop up somewhere within the first range of search results, and I don't want to mislead people looking into the remedy. Especially if they are not interested in drugs and so on...
 
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Hey, everyone. What's up? I has lurked on here for some time, but finally has a pressing matter (in their eyes anyway) that pushed them to join and post. I doesn't know how to start a new thread, and besides.....they would proabably get in trouble b/c "the topic has been covered a million times somewhere else." ha ha.
Okay, so I has taken Percocet, vicodin, tramadol, dilaudid before. Percocet and vicodin were good, although I prefers Percocet....the kind with no acetominophen. Like
Perc 30's. Recently, I decided that they would like to get their hands on some Percocet, but could not find it to save their lives. Fiiinnaaallly.....a hookup came through, but only with 100mg tablets of ABG morphine; little baby-bluish pills that have the wax over 'em. Well, I of course, tried some of the pill orally and to no surprise....no effect. They should have known b/c dilaudid did absolutely nothing for them orally either. Anyway, after circling the pills laying on the counter like a shark for what seemed to be an hour, lol, they were trying to figure out how to make these "work" for them. I jumped on here and began reading and reading and reading. Apparently the answer seems to be plugging. I has never snorted, or IV'd, or plugged or anything of that nature before. Has only just swallowed whole...not even crushed or what have you. So immediately I was put off. But soon started entertaining the idea. I has been pondering it for a couple days now. Finally, after tossing and turning last night, this morning they went to the pharmacy and got a plastic syringe as seen recommended on here. I, of course, has jumped back on here and began reading again. I think, perhaps, in a subconscious attempt to find another way..... But I has decided that it's the best way to use/benefit from/not waste, their handful of morphine. Okay, so they have read pages upon pages of information. Some info says to put syringe in only and inch. Some say a couple of inches. Some say all the way to the plunger. Some posts say to lube the butt...some say just the syringe. Some posts say to boil the water first...some say to use warm or cold water to dissolve the pill. They've also been battling with how much to try. I know that if I takes 15mg (half a Perc 30) they will nod. But if they've done that for a day or two, it will take the whole 30 mg pill to make them nod. So given that information, how much of the 100mg pill of morphine should they mix up in the solution? They don't want to have to be rushed to the hospital. I think that is what they are afraid of most. Someone is home with I today, so they do have a "babysitter." But nonetheless, they still don't want to go to the E.R. I is somewhat of a paranoid person by nature. I guess I wants to be told that everything will be alright if they try plugging and also to be given the exact, best way to do this that will reduce any danger/overdosing/getting too high/etc. I is looking for some reassurance as well. If anyone could just give I a few bullet points of the best way to go about this in their expert opinion and perhaps a quick pep talk, I will be so happy. I thanks everyone in advance.

P.S. I does have access to capsules (they have another medicine that is in capsule form), could they use that instead?

[We dont use SWIM here. :) -fizzle]
 
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^Dissolve in warm water in a needless syringe and up it goes. You can check out the opiate equivalency chart in my signature and the Bioavailability thread in the OD Directory to figure out your dosage. For morphine, despite it's high first pass metabolism, clinical studies have shown oral is equal to anal with respect to BA (likely due to poor absorption in the rectum). That being said you might get a higher maximum concentration and faster time to it. You can also try adjusting the pH as I mentioned earlier in this thread.
 
Well........it's been tried.

Dissolved about 15mg of morphine in 5ml of warm water. Able to get syringe about an inch in....and depressed the plunger. Well, would say 1/4-1/2 of it came dribbling out all over new, 800 thread count sheets on a brand new king sized mattress. Thank goodness for the mattress pad under the sheets. LOL. Towel towel towel...duh! Anyway, saw that some of the powder was lingering around the black, rubber part in the plunger, and a teeny bit around the inside of the shot glass. So in adding up all the things that may have went wrong...........you can probably guess that nothing "good" happened from this attempt. Wondering if should give it another go......maybe with more of the pill? A little more water? Less hesitation when squeezing the plunger? Putting the syringe in a little deeper? *sigh*
 
To prevent dribbling I would errr invert my rectal passage ;)

As for the powder in the syringe that is bad news. Is this an SR preperation? If so try boiling before cooling and injecting up the ass.
 
Okay. What I did was I crushed up a portion of the 100mg pill. Probably equivalent to 15mg. Picked out the wax b/c it wouldn't crush. Used a credit card to push some of the powder off the paper and down the drain b/c was afraid it was too much of the 15mg. It looks like so much more than 15mg when it is crushed up. I don't know. Anyway, I put 5ml of warm/tepid water into a shot glass. Then used the credit card to push the powder off of the paper and into the shot glass. I mixed it for what seemed like 5 minutes. Then I brought the shot glass with the mixture in it and the syringe with me into the bedroom. Put on a comforting television show (Jersey Shore) and fired up my laptop. I'm a paranoid person so I figured these things would keep me calm while waiting the 20 minutes before I was allowed to move from being on my side. Anyway, I put the syringe into the shot glass and sucked up the mixture. Lubed the "hole" up with some Wet brand lube, and put the syringe in a little bit. I began depressing the plunger and was hesitating b/c I felt the liquid inside me. I think that's why it could have been dribbling out as well. I didn't shoot the liquid into space so-to-speak. Then, I clenched my buttcheeks together and layed there. I watched the time pass on my laptop screen and after a half an hour, realized that nothing was going to happen. I was very disappointed. Booo. : ( But I didn't in any way blame the method. I can tell that I didn't do it all the way correctly. Now that I've sorta tried it once, I may go back for another try in a little while. My babysitter is no longer home, but given the fact that nothing happened the first time....I think I will be okay. I mean people give themselves enemas all the time, right? :) By the way...thank you for responding, Amapola! I honestly didn't know if anyone would see my post.
 
^It's my job :) Kinda....sadly :( :D

Anyways you should PM fizzle and thank her for editing your post to remove SWIM. Could of done it yourself but now that she has it'll likely result in even more response.

Regarding your actual issue you haven't mentioned your tolerance yet...I don't think...if not you should do so and maybe we could say try a higher dose. Morphine is such a tease in that it is stronger than most buts needs injection to show off it's power.
 
Oh, okay. I will PM Fizzle. I didn't know she took out my SWIM's. lol. I will thank her.

In my original post I mentioned that 15mg of Percocet will make me nod. But after a couple of times, I need the whole 30mg pill to do the same job.
 
And I mean the Percocet without the acetominophen. Not like (3) 5 mg oxycodone pills that have the acetominophen in them.
 
In my original post I mentioned that 15mg of Percocet will make me nod. But after a couple of times, I need the whole 30mg pill to do the same job.
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Okay if 15mg oxy oral makes you nod (building to double that over a week or so) you can likely handle 30mg oral morphine. Rectal being the same as oral (most basically) as I mentioned above. I think it it would be safe to try up to that rectally for sure. Especially since you have had equiv double before once a bit of a tolerance has built up.

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And I mean the Percocet without the acetominophen. Not like (3) 5 mg oxycodone pills that have the acetominophen in them.
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So long as you are always sure to mention the main active ingredient mass, the secondary actives (like APAP) won't matter so much unless taken in such huge amounts to cause damage. In effect no one will assume by saying 15mg of percs you mean anything other than 15mg of oxy.
 
Oh okay. So are you saying that if I take 30mg oral, it will be the same as 30mg rectal? B/c I tried a 1/3 of the 100mg pill orally and it didn't do anything. I guess I'm a lil confused.
 
So are you saying that if I take 30mg oral, it will be the same as 30mg rectal?
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With respect to morphine sulphate yes. The oral bioavailability is the same as the rectal bioavailability. This is due to morphine sulphate undergoing extensive first pass metabolisim via glucuronidation in the liver when consumed orally, and poor absorption through the rectal membrane when administered anally. (The rectal absorption is correlated with pH of solution as well read this post from the previous page http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=9539975&postcount=76).
 
Ooooooooooooooh. Then why the heck am I sticking anything up my butt? lmao. I'm glad you are here! So then is there a way to get the same effect of 15mg of Percocet with morphine, orally? Or is it just not gonna happen b/c of the BA? Am I just spinning my wheels with the morphine?
 
^Haha I've answered this question so many times. No offense at all of course as it is difficult to pass the knowledge on.

Morphine is strong but only when administered intravenounsly. IV morphine is twice as strong as IV oxycodone.

When taken orally though, morphine has a 25% BA or so while oxycodone has close to 90% so oxycodone oral is twice as strong as morphine oral.

When it comes to nasal and rectal administration of morphine there are similar bioavailabilites as oral. The peak concentration of drug and time to peak concentration though is higher/quicker.

If you really want to get the most out of your morphine you need to inject it. If you are unwilling to do so you can plug it with adjusted pH as I mention 2 posts above, or you can snort it with chitosan.

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Bioavailability/Half-life MEGA Thread
**The Other Drugs Directory**
^look at all the threads under morphine
 
^^ So not only is it a waste putting up the waste pipe it is also butt-numbingly irritating when you butt does just that, goes morbidly numb! : D
Hari Om
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Something is wrong

I feel nauseous and can't keep food in - literally. Any solid or liquid i consume comes out the other end within minutes.. liquid stools so revolting i gag if i catch a drift of the smell

Definitely not a natural smell. After flushing, the odor lingers for hours unless i bleach it out. Since eating causes this reaction, i'm eating light, balanced foods just to get by (I'm celiac so i plan everything that i eat, and nutrient-dense foods)

Medium-large meals just cause more unpleasant after-effects. The whole affair of eating-exiting is making me horribly anemic, weak.. It feels like my pH is all over the place from plugging solutions daily - even tho i only ever use reverse osmosis water. Maybe i should test the pH and compare my own. Urine is colorless and i rarely pee. The liquid i drink (smart water, reverse osmosis, vitamin water) just seems to come out the other end every time...

Strangely, i'm satiated by a few sips of water and never actually feel thirsty.. It's almost like i'm over-hydrated/alkaline

The high-quality magnesium, zinc, and b-complex i take seem only to ease the discomfort of losing 12lbs (5.5kg) in the past 3 days. As my BMI hovers around 17, i feel weak and dizzy after shitting. This has been going on the past 3-4 days, gradually worsening

After plugging my adderall (30mg) this morning (daily ROA), i lay there feeling the 10ml solution seemingly just sitting there...and sitting... I lay on my stomach for 30+ minutes to ensure proper absorption.. Roughly 6 hours later still feeling the liquid solution that doesn't seem to have dissolved at all.. to the point that i was physically holding it in the entire time till eventually i gave up and let it all out.. I mean, some was absorbed, but it felt like 5mg orally or something

Anyway sorry if reading this ruined anyone's appetite. I guess i'm just reaching out a bit cause i'm concerned.. Avoiding doctors/specialists would be ideal as i don't have health insurance or an expendable income, but if it's sepsis i'm fucked

Hopefully it's just ulcerative colitis or something... Def preferable to sepsis


UPDATE: I found one of my old supplements for leaky gut and am already feeling MUCH better. I also have some L-Glutamine for later, which is probably what i really need
 
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The unpleasant smell makes me think of infection rather than anything else.
 
^It makes me think of necrotic tissue but we'll hope it's anything else.

Hope this week has shown improvement Gormur. I know you said seeing a doc was not high on your list but if things haven't improved then I think it would be time for an endoscopy and blood/stool tests and whatever else they do.
 
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