Benzos Etizolam

[Naggers]

Sorry for the typing, took me 5 minutes just to type this apology secntence. I recieved mine yesterday. Instanlty threw two back, but didn;t feel much at alkl. Added another two, then before I knew it I was asleep.

Second attempt: 4mg in a single dose a couple of hours ago. It's now t+2:30 and am feeling uncoordinated, slight mood lift, words on the screen are wobbling about, but no real euphoria (as compared to codeine euphoria). Is this what I'm supposed to get, a slight modd lidft? Bit underwhelming from some of the reports circulsting the internet... "Most euphoric benzo ever!"

Will try adding wine + methoxetamine to the mix,

 

[Pegasus]

^Yep, there's no opiate-esque euphoria to speak of. It's simply a calming drug.

Be careful mixing downers, it can get messy/ dangerous quickly. I'd avoid them altogether until you're more familiar with the drug. Even then, be extremely careful with the doses; start very low and work your way up. 4mg is a large dose of etizolam FTR... the theraputic level is around 0.25 - 1mg for anxiety and 1 - 2mg for sleep.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

i remember when i had the pure powder a WHILE ago and got to use it a couple times before it went down the drain
and i reported back saying it was euphoric/ calming and almost opiate like but i was also on bupe at the time so the "opiateness" i reported could just have been the etizolam potentiating my bupe dose.. who knows. Everyone is different..

 

[Pegasus]

how would etizolam work along side mdma, taken at the same time?

It would likely kill a lot of the positive effects of the MDMA...

 

[Methox23]

Only really bought them for the calming effect they have and to take the edge of a Peeve Binge... Perfect for that.... just slows everything down and puts my mind in a more balanced state..... Probably good that they arn't amazingly euphoric cause i would be tempted to use them more often.. good Anxiolytic drug...and thats all i got them for.. almost a wonder drug. would have tried weed but that can sometimes just make me more paranoid...

 

[Fire&Water]

Sounds similar (but stronger) to the Tranxene scripts' I used to get in the 80's was a heavy valium prince back then -
The Traxenes seemed a bit heavier on the euphoric/outta body feeling...cant be sure though, as we loved to wash em' down with the best local microbrew back then (Lienenkugal's sp

 

[Swedish Penguin]

i tried insufflating a pill the other night and it is much stronger than orally/sublingually taking one. The effects were definitely noticeable, and i havent really noticed an effect off of just eating one. I didnt notice a shortening of effects, but I did fall asleep pretty shortly after taking it. If you do insufflate them, I hope you dont mind little blue melty crap in your nose the next day. :D

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Only really bought them for the calming effect they have and to take the edge of a Peeve Binge... Perfect for that.... just slows everything down and puts my mind in a more balanced state..... Probably good that they arn't amazingly euphoric cause i would be tempted to use them more often.. good Anxiolytic drug...and thats all i got them for.. almost a wonder drug. would have tried weed but that can sometimes just make me more paranoid...

Exactly the same here. I have been using them for a few weeks now and am finding them an absolute wonder drug for ending a PV binge without any unpleasentness. Plus and its a big plus, the long half life complteley eliminates the anxiety/edginess/paranoia/hyper-vigilance/neurosis/psychosis etc etc i would have felt on the day after a PV binge upon re-entering the "real world" of work and dealing with other people. I'm sure that the after effects of PV remain stimulating the mind for at least 24 hours after a binge so the Etizolams taken balance things out very nicely the next day.

I can be something of a neurotic worrier & stress head too, so these offer tremendous relief from all that. I guess thats why i find them a good recreational drug of an evening too. Others that do not have to deal with all this type of crap in their heads might not find them so recreationally valuable. So i have been taking them at night well into the working week and have to set myself a "code" of not taking them for more than 3 days a week, so as hopefully not to develop a dependence as i think i could have been in danger of that as at first there seemed to be no pay back atall from these....

However i have noticed one negative side effect. For some reason I find myself not dealing well with my work partner at work and taking offence to banter and bickering all day etc after taking these, something i would not normally do, and he tells me i am moody and snappy. Strange really as i feel nice and mellow, maybe they are taking the 'no worries' state of mind too far. So im glad there is this one negative effect for me as it means i will not be taking them well into the working week, only one on the night before the start off the week, to take the edge of the PV binges, and to get a good long sleep, and then no more until the next PV binge, or if im on holiday and just want to chill...

 

[mydrugbuddy]

i tried insufflating a pill the other night and it is much stronger than orally/sublingually taking one. The effects were definitely noticeable, and i havent really noticed an effect off of just eating one. I didnt notice a shortening of effects, but I did fall asleep pretty shortly after taking it. If you do insufflate them, I hope you dont mind little blue melty crap in your nose the next day. :D

Did you swallow your one tablet after food ? This makes a massive difference. I have found that taking one or 2 after a PV binge when i typically wont have eaten hardly anything for 24-48 hours and the effects are very strong. Find myself stumbling around like a drunk and slowed right down.

But when taken after eating, even waiting 2 hours and the effects seem diluted, they must be absorbing much more slowly. I find it difficult to take these effectively when not on PV as I am virtually always eating, to replace all the lost calories and weight of PV bingeing, so its hard to find any time when i have not eaten for at least 3 or 4 hours, and will not be eating whilst on the etizolams either as the effects will be diluted.

I didnt have much luck with snorting, and my nose was completely blocked for a long time afterwards. This is why i was asking earlier in this thread about smoking/vaporising the tablets. I might try it, even if no one else has. At the worst it will only be a waste of a good tablet....

 

[Pegasus]

However i have noticed one negative side effect. For some reason I find myself not dealing well with my work partner at work and taking offence to banter and bickering all day etc after taking these, something i would not normally do, and he tells me i am moody and snappy. Strange really as i feel nice and mellow, maybe they are taking the 'no worries' state of mind too far. So im glad there is this one negative effect for me as it means i will not be taking them well into the working week, only one on the night before the start off the week, to take the edge of the PV binges, and to get a good long sleep, and then no more until the next PV binge, or if im on holiday and just want to chill...

Ah yes, you've discovered the fabled "benzo rage", lol... Anyway, three doses per week can certainly cause dependence and mood swings when you're not on them... tread carefully.

 

[RobotRipping]

anyone have a withdrawal from etizolam? or inter/intradose withdrawals? Etizolam sounds great to me, it has some interesting effects and 5x the anxiolytic effects of diazepam (according to wiki). I'm just wondering if it's as prone as xanax to causing inter/intradose withdrawals and if used daily would the withdrawals be worse/better than xanax or similar? I haven't heard/read much about etizolam withdrawal, i'm sure someone must've gone through it by now.

 

[Swedish Penguin]

Did you swallow your one tablet after food ? This makes a massive difference. I have found that taking one or 2 after a PV binge when i typically wont have eaten hardly anything for 24-48 hours and the effects are very strong. Find myself stumbling around like a drunk and slowed right down.

Yeah Im not really sure about that actually, I think of the few times I have eaten them I havent had a ton of food in my stomach, though it is possible i ate an hour or so before. I know at least once I had no food in my stomach and didn't notice a particularly strong effect, though about 4 hours later I felt like I could barely stay awake. Either way insufflated was clearly stronger for me. I havent tried pushing it up to more than one pill yet either. I did also notice that the insufflated effects didnt come on till I smoked, but right after I did I felt wobbly and fucked up -very relaxed. I'll probably try eating them again sometime, but insufflated is my route of choice currently.

also- no benzo tolerance.

 

[Kaaskoek]

If you do insufflate them, I hope you dont mind little blue melty crap in your nose the next day. :D

Snorted them too, but didn't give ma big wow. Possible because i've eating these things like candy (took about 25mg in the last 11 days) so I do think I'm building up a tolerance. But for the blue crap in your nose: I have a metal weed grinder with a flat bottom. Grind a pill with that in a circular motion for about 2-3 minutes and you'll have yourself a real fine powder which can be insufflated with no problems at all.

 

[Kaaskoek]

Okay, after snorting 2mg today I have to revise my previous statement. Snorting is most definitely the way to go!

 

[PhyllipThylamine]

Will try adding wine + methoxetamine to the mix,

I would be EXTREMELY cautious. I've had Etiz round for over a year & have experience mixing them. They do NOT work well with alcohol, expecially in my experience with spirits. Unpleasant light-headedness, nausea & general feeling of illness followed only the lowest of doses of Vodka or Whiskey. I cant' speak for wine but I'd be careful if I were you.

Etiz & mxe seem okay. I often get lingering stimulation after small/moderate doses of mxe & can stop it with 1 or 2mg of Etiz. Valium & mxe do not work either, bringing about sickness & nausea as above.

Caution!

Also, I use Etiz entirely for sleep & for trip-stop. I don't see any recreational value, but I'm not one for getting pissed either.

 

[Twigs]

I tried a single one last night. Broke it in four pieces and placed it under my tongue.
Noticed something after about 10 minutes and had full effects after 30 minutes.

Effects are not at all overwhelming from one, but I did feel quite nice and relaxed.

How is the onset when snorting?

 

[King Hop Head]

Is use of Etizolam and Phenibut likely to create cross-tolerance and greater risk of dependance?

I use Etizolam twice a week and Phenbut usually 3 times a week to potentiate Poppy tea.

 

[King Hop Head]

Yeah Im not really sure about that actually, I think of the few times I have eaten them I havent had a ton of food in my stomach, though it is possible i ate an hour or so before. I know at least once I had no food in my stomach and didn't notice a particularly strong effect, though about 4 hours later I felt like I could barely stay awake. Either way insufflated was clearly stronger for me. I havent tried pushing it up to more than one pill yet either. I did also notice that the insufflated effects didnt come on till I smoked, but right after I did I felt wobbly and fucked up -very relaxed. I'll probably try eating them again sometime, but insufflated is my route of choice currently.

also- no benzo tolerance.

I have only started using Benzos, and normally 2 or 3 times a week. I have used Phenibut for a long time, normally 3 times a week.

With Etizolam I find that 1 mg makes me relaxed and able to go to sleep easy. 2 or 3 mg makes that sedation more pronounced and euphoric.

Have used Etizolam to potentiate Poppy Tea at a 'get high' dosage that is about twice my maintenace dose of the tea (be careful of this as it is easier to overdose. 0.5 mg nicely potentiates, while 1 mg is too sedating and am likely to spend the time asleep rather than high!

Find with doses higher than 1.5 mg there is a risk of carelessness and memory loss, such a forgetting to lock the front door. Also one time after a dose of Etizolam I awoke to find an unexplained scratch on my forehead.

This is an excellant drug, but it needs respect. The last thing we need is negative media reports, resulting in a ban of the drug (like what happened with Phenazepam in th UK, though Phenazepam in bulk powder form is inherrantly more risky than Etizolam in 1 mg tablets).

 

[jb0nez]

Has ANYONE experienced withdrawal from just etizolam??

As I've previously mentioned, etizolam builds tolerance faster than any benzo I've ever encountered. I'm now routinely hit 10+ mg daily and barely get effects. Now I'm a bit scared of what happens when my supply runs out. Nobody else has gotten themselves into this situation? I'm hoping the supposed reduced dependence liability reported in the journals will help, but then they were dead wrong on the tolerance part now so I'm worried about the dependence part. I do have some clonazepam on its way (praying it makes it in time) for a proper taper, but if not -- anyone got experience with this yet? I'm sure that with the large amounts of powder going around a while back that there must have been SOME people hitting it harder than I. How have you fared??

EDIT: Wanted to add that my tolerance to classic benzos, while already high, has not increased nearly as dramatically. 30mg valium still chills me out nicely, just not quite as strong as before. Maybe 25% less. So the cross-tolerance is not very strong.

 

[phatboy303]

Has anyone tried 'chasing the dragon' with these pills ? Is it effective ?
(Apologies if this is a ridiculous question from a Benzo newbie but I saw a program on Current TV about Oxycodone and thats what those guys were doing with their pills on that)

Actually I chased the dragon with valium once, didn't really make much difference but the technique works. Now you reminded me i guess I'll be trying it with these soon.

I have to say though these etizolams have really impressed me, even if they are inconsistent strengths. They definitely go well to bring down the awkward bit at the end of MXE where u aint wrecked but you aint straight enough to get on with things, certainly takes a few to overpower MXE's wierd stay-awake-for-ages thing but that just creates a whole new kinda funny.

Pretty good for countering a few of the side-effects of other drugs too, Stim-jitters for one.

Anyway, i did a moderate 1-3 five nights in a row and didn't seem to get any obvious benzo-withdrawals, although i was quite randomly itchy. Nevertheless treat em with respect.

Just as an afterthought, I've done a fair bit of Valium over the years, mainly to get me to sleep, in my opinion Etizolam is pretty similar.

But I've never really been that into benzos recreationally, I do wonder what the serious benzo-fans reckon of em. Poor substitute or welcome new friend?