DELIRIANTS, DISSOCIATIVES, AND PSYCHADELICS ARE ALL PART OF A GREATER CATEGORY KNOWN AS HALLUCINOGENS. How many times do I have to say this?
As I said before, the experience could also have something of a "cleansing" effect. Sort of like "purity through hell", which I've seen the synthetic psychadelic DPT described as
pretty much no attention span, unable to form a thought, slurring, drooling...not pretty
...Many people tried datura claim it is not fun at all, and I am wondering whether all deliriants are unpleasant or only atropine/datura is crap.
I think it is possible to take dose such that it causes hallucinations but you still take all critically.
Deliriants(anticholinergics) are really the only drugs that cause "true" hallucinations, in the strictest sense of the word. Still, they are pretty nasty and not very enjoyable.
I've had a few experiences with diphenhydramine.
I think you can have "true hallucinations" on dissociatives, at least. My room has significantly changed size (literally a quarter of the size) on Ketamine, and I was in a room with a big escalator, as convincing as you'd like, when actually I was lying in my bed. Or do you want to call these dreams? What's the difference?
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I think it is possible to take dose such that it causes hallucinations but you still take all critically.
Ok, thank you. This answers my question. I'll lay out this idea for indefinite period of timeThe side effects as well as the hallucinations are both the result of the same mechanism: antagonism of muscarinic acetylcholine receptors. You will experience the negative physical side effects (e.g. dry mouth, tachycardia, blurred vision, urinary retention etc.) at lower doses than what's required to produce delirium (which also is likely to be unpleasant by it's own nature).
Ive had true hallucinations on K and DXM, and Salvia, and DPH... and Amanita Muscaria.