The Big & Dandy Deliriants Thread

[SKL]

Sometimes the only way to win is not to play at all

 

[swilow]

Deliriants are the most unpopular drugs around. Only hardcore psychadelic-heads, shamans, and dumbass preteens (hay guyz if i taek 1000 benadrylzz will i trip ballz? lololol) have been known to use them. They typically produce vivid, dark, entity-like hallucinations. The hallucinations produced by deliriants are as real as it gets. You WILL NOT FIND any drugs that produce more vivid, realistic hallucinations than deliriants. You actually believe these hallucinations are real. You see them, you talk to them, you hear them, and you FEEL them. On something like acid, you say "woah, man, that's trippy". On deliriants, you say "woah, man, this is totally normal" because you think it IS normal. On acid, you might see the refrigerator talk to you and think it's hilarious... but you know it's just the drugs. On deliriants, you might TALK TO THE REFRIGERATOR for an hour and have a heartfelt conversation with it because you think it's your father. It's like being schizophrenic, only crazier. However, very few people seem to enjoy deliriants. Almost every single report ranges from "It wasn't very fun" to "I fell asleep" to "It was the worst night ever".

I think you possibly need to try a 'true' psychedelic before attempting to compare the differences between deleriants and psyches. I also get the idea that you haven't had a deleriant experience...correct me if I'm wrong.

Personally, I've had "enjoyable" deleriant experiences, but I've had more that are terribly confusing and essentially painful. I would only ever suggest a low dose; very low. Datura and ayahuasca work well, but is very very dangerous. I certainly won't be doing that ever again; or any deleriant, like as not.

Everyone seems to always do drugs at night. In every single report I read, they took DPH or dramamine or datura at night. But I wonder: if you took a deliriant during the day (an especially sunny and happy day), would you have a better trip? Also, why not put signs everywhere that say "You are on drugs." and "You are immortal."? When I have my first psychadelic trip, I'm gonna put notes with "You are on drugs." and "You are immortal." on my wall.

Why on earth would you do that? You're already in a very suggestible mindstate- signs saying "You are immortal" would be potentially a really good way to completely fuck with your head. I hate to think of how confusing that sort of input would be while delerious.

So, I ask you, Bluelight... is it possible to have a good trip on deliriants? And how? I was thinking about trying DPH (Benadryl always had the opposite effect on me; when I was little, my parents gave it to me to help me sleep. It actually made me MORE hyper). But, right now, I'm too scared to try tripping on Benadryl. I already freak out every time I hear the slightest little noise in the house. I really don't need to see giant, evil spiders crawling all over me. Maybe some day... but not today.

Um, if you are easily frightened, why on earth are you even considering this?

First, get some psychedelic experience under your belt. Even that won't prepare you for delerium.

Anyone here have a positive experience with deliriants that they'd like to share?

No.

um
on acid, ive never spoken to a refrigerator..

This.

 

[Metropolisforever]

1. I'm NOT focused on the "visual aspect" of psychadelics. I fully recognize that the psychadelic experience is entirely in your head.

2. Shamans and psychonauts DO use deliriants.

3. Psychadelics, dissociatives, and deliriants are all part of a greater category known as hallucinogens.

4. I read that saying "You are immortal" to yourself helps when you're having (or about to have) a bad trip.

5. Yes, "people enjoy different things". But nobody enjoys having a terrifying experience.

6. I was using the refrigerator as a hypothetical example. Jesus fucking Christ.

7. 8 ounces of Delsym isn't enough? Really?

Don't be a douche, guys. Seriously. I'm trying to start an intelligent conversation about an interesting and little-discussed subject.

I believe taking lower doses of deliriants is much more pleasant than taking high doses of them.

 

[TNT Explosion]

1. I'm NOT focused on the "visual aspect" of psychadelics. I fully recognize that the psychadelic experience is entirely in your head.

2. Shamans and psychonauts DO use deliriants.

3. Psychadelics, dissociatives, and deliriants are all part of a greater category known as hallucinogens.

4. I read that saying "You are immortal" to yourself helps when you're having (or about to have) a bad trip.

5. Yes, "people enjoy different things". But nobody enjoys having a terrifying experience.

6. I was using the refrigerator as a hypothetical example. Jesus fucking Christ.

7. 8 ounces of Delsym isn't enough? Really?

Don't be a douche, guys. Seriously. I'm trying to start an intelligent conversation about an interesting and little-discussed subject.

I believe taking lower doses of deliriants is much more pleasant than taking high doses of them.

calm down dude, no one even attacked you.

I actually like this thread, and the question posed in the OP.

I read some trip reports on datura and it sounds so bizarre and surreal. I think I could find some enjoyment out of it, but not before many, many more physcadelic journeys.

agreed.
BTW dude your avvy is pimpin :D

Thanks.

 

[Metropolisforever]

I'm very, very paranoid, anxious, and obsessive-compulsive. I always think everyone and everything is out to get me, even when I'm completely sober. So, I can only imagine how terrifying a bad deliriant trip would be for me.

I do very much enjoy the bizarre and surreal, though. I suppose that any decent trip is going to have its pleasant aspects and its unpleasant aspects. I imagine a deliriant trip COULD be enlightening.

 

[ikkyu]

I've come across a few reports of people smoking small amounts of datura seed, sometimes mixed with pot. It does sound somewhat enjoyable that way, since the duration is reduced drastically, not to mention that one can start small and gradually ramp up in terms of dosage. It also helps that with smoking, the effects are felt in not much time at all, so it can be easier to gauge where you're at and when to call it good.

But then, I feel no compulsion at all to experiment with this. OP, I hope this was helpful, and if you do decide to go this route, try to use seeds collected from the same plant for consistency's sake (they would likely have similar concentrations of alkaloids), and start very small before working your way up.

 

[Metropolisforever]

Yeah, I've read reports of people who enjoyed small dosages of deliriants, but were utterly terrified by large doses.

 

[Metropolisforever]

BZ is one of the more interesting deliriants. However, it's almost never discussed anywhere.

 

[Metropolisforever]

Two of the positive aspects of deliriants are the vivid, dream-like experiences and the increased appreciation for music.

 

[organicmusic]

BZ is used as a biological weapon. It won't be "fun" or "enlightening"

Where did you read that reading "You are immortal" is a good thing. When I read that you wanted that on your wall during your first trip my first thought was, "I'm sure he will laugh at that idea once he comes up and tear down the signs..."

Maybe it is to add some humor to a trip?

 

[i roll balls]

I've come across a few reports of people smoking small amounts of datura seed, sometimes mixed with pot. It does sound somewhat enjoyable that way, since the duration is reduced drastically, not to mention that one can start small and gradually ramp up in terms of dosage. It also helps that with smoking, the effects are felt in not much time at all, so it can be easier to gauge where you're at and when to call it good.

But then, I feel no compulsion at all to experiment with this. OP, I hope this was helpful, and if you do decide to go this route, try to use seeds collected from the same plant for consistency's sake (they would likely have similar concentrations of alkaloids), and start very small before working your way up.

Sounds like fun but datura is the worst drug i can think off.. you do a little to much and end up fucked although that can be reduced with smoking still i will never go near it again not even worth the high

 

[Metropolisforever]

BZ is a very powerful deliriant. It may cause euphoria and relaxation along with some very unpleasant side-effects. It is used as an incapacitating agent because, well, obviously, it makes its subjects delirious. Technically, any hallucinogenic drug could be used in that manner. Upon recovery from the effects of BZ, however, some subjects report a refreshed feeling and good mood.

There are people out there that use chloroform recreationally, and there are people out there that are dumb enough to take PMA. Don't doubt for a second that there are people out there who would be more than willing to try BZ.

 

[Metropolisforever]

BZ also makes you fall asleep and wake up delirious over a period of more than 80 hours.

 

[Jesusgreen]

Deliriants are NOT psychedelics. The deliriant experience isn't a "trip", more like dreaming while awake, but in a state that you barely remember later, and can lead to you doing very stupid and dangerous things that you have no control over. Pretty much all the nasty accidents people I know have had on drugs have been either while on alcohol/benzos, or, more commonly, deliriants.

Deliriants DO have a positive use. Taking them will improve dreams for a couple of days, even if you take minuscule doses that you do not feel.

Taking deliriants recreationally is like smoking meth to fall asleep.

I haven't found them useful in a spiritual setting either, the dreams are useful, and in a sense it is the one class of drug that produces "visionary" dreams, but to achieve this effect you don't need to take a full dose. The actual experience itself is dangerous, has no real spiritual or recreational benefits, and can leave you feeling mentally fried worse than if you took thumbprints every day for a year. I used deliriants daily for a while earlier this year and it took at least 2 or 3 months before my mental capacity returned to normal, short term memory, speech, and general thought-processing abilities suffered considerably.

Edit: I lied, deliriants have two positive uses, most of them are also a good sleep aid.

I don't think deliriants are bad, I just think people today use them in the wrong way, many of the indigenous cultures that used/still use deliriants used them in the same respect I mentioned, in a small dose in the day, and then they waited for "visions" in their dreams that night. I think this is the appropriate use for deliriants, as unlike dissociatives and psychedelics I feel there's little/nothing to gain from the experience itself.

 

[Harry Hood]

probably not a good idea to implant the idea that you're "immortal" in your mind when you're under the influence of very powerful substances...

Holy shit. This this this this. Your soul may be immortal ( if you ascribe to similar beliefs as I) but your physical vessel is not.

I've (foolishly) taken Diphenhydramine for psychoactive reasons before and I do not recommend it. It did give me my first visuals ever though. Intense confusion as well. Good luck and much love.

Edit- BZ terrifies me, and it's invention for the use as an agent of warfare is (imo) a pinnacle of human shame. If I ever end up disrobing while tripping face, I want it to be because of a realization that human nudity is nothing to be ashamed of and in fact a beautiful thing, not because of a semi- autonomous reaction to overheating. I'm done (relatively, hahaha) putting myself at risk of getting arrested.

Also, in regards to the classification of deliriants as psychedelics, being that the etymology of the word means mind- manifesting, I wouldn't personally call deliriants such. They're more mind- confusing. What is the greek word for confused? Hahahaha. But ignoring the etymology, I certainly would call them psychedelic.

Again, good luck and much love.

 

[swilow]

BZ is a very powerful deliriant. It may cause euphoria and relaxation along with some very unpleasant side-effects. It is used as an incapacitating agent because, well, obviously, it makes its subjects delirious. Technically, any hallucinogenic drug could be used in that manner. Upon recovery from the effects of BZ, however, some subjects report a refreshed feeling and good mood.

There are people out there that use chloroform recreationally, and there are people out there that are dumb enough to take PMA. Don't doubt for a second that there are people out there who would be more than willing to try BZ.

There is a big difference between taking a drug that is physically dangerous and taking a drug which has terrible effects ala BZ. PMA is safe-ish if taken at low doses. Chloroform is a simple dissociative; similar to ether in effects, but really not all that bad per se.

As said, no-one is attacking you, but it seems that you don't know all that much about either psychedelics or deleriants; you know, the only true knoweldge can arise if you've taken the drugs really...As I said, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you've taken a deleriant.

If you do, use something synthetic, simply because you can at least have control over the amount you ingest; you still won't have control over anything else.

Also, on a harm reduction board, you will always hear a certain degree of derision towards specific drugs; you can always imply ignore it. I tend to

 

[Static_Color]

having my first real trip off a datura OD (Went to hospital for 3 days, complete psycho till i came back to baseline) It was before any psychs or chems, only weed at that point... not even alcohol at the time (was religious heavily cause of family and felt alcohol was against islam...)

I would never EVER reccomend a deliriant dose of Datura to ANYBODY. I've since then used datura to enhance my dreams at very low doses but beyond that no more because I fear the plant too much.... smoking it caused very little effects.

You know what delirium is? Insanity. You know why insane people are put in nut houses? Because they can't control their thoughts, emotions, or ANYTHING.

How you could even expect anything fun, or happy, out of that is beyond me.


Shamans aren't all mystic and powerful... let alone datura shamans... the Afghan 'Malangs' who smoke datura to 'see into the other world' are basically homeless holy men who walk around and half speak incoherant gibrish at times, they are alive, they may see things we don't, but are they every the same after their ritual into that world?

Maybe some can do it, I'd like to consider myself but I'm too afraid to dose into a deliriant threshhold because at those doses the range from poisoning - tripping is too close...

Imagine feeling your body literally dieing, and being out of your mind at the same time? Who knows what hell you will hallucinate and feel at the same time then.
doesn't sound to interesting now does it?

If you want to enjoy deliriants take some benedryl or some shit and see where it goes, atleast your more incontrol on that substance...
just don't perma-fuck your brain while your at it or go into a psychotic state because usually there is no coming back, infact - fuck it; don't mess with deliriants if you don't know what the hell you're getting your self in too.

 

[Metropolisforever]

DELIRIANTS, DISSOCIATIVES, AND PSYCHADELICS ARE ALL PART OF A GREATER CATEGORY KNOWN AS HALLUCINOGENS. How many times do I have to say this?

With that said, I KNOW it is possible to have a positive experience on deliriants. I have read reports of people who greatly enjoyed the experience.

BZ is really not that much different from other deliriants, only much more powerful and long-lasting.

As I said before, the experience could also have something of a "cleansing" effect. Sort of like "purity through hell", which I've seen the synthetic psychadelic DPT described as.

 

[Splitz]

They're drugs for the masochistic. Essentially.

 

[Metropolisforever]

http://defensetech.org/2005/12/07/in...on-themselves/

^ Apparently, recreational use of BZ DOES exist.