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The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-MiPT Thread

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Absolutely stay low to start. But I think some of the above is casting a personal preference a little too definitively as a nearly-certain absolute law. You will find plenty of non-horrible experience reports in doses from 12-16 mg. I dont think theres sufficient evidence to proclaim that some super-majority will all be assured of totally hideous experiences at that level. That's just not true according to many experiences Ive heard.

But DO start low. You never know what sort of responder you are till you try it.
 
^Yeah you're right. Edited my above post. For me 5-meo-mipt is an excellent psychedelic at higher doses, but I know the peripheral effects can get really bad for some people.
 
sup, did you even read the text? That does NOT APPLY WHATSOEVER to a PROPERLY DOSED combination! Read more than the headline, please.... I hate inappropriate cautions!

We describe a 27-year-old male patient with substance intoxication after a single ingestion of the mixture of methylone and 5-MeO-MIPT. Though he bought the drug as pure methylone powder via an internet order, our chemical analyses indicated that the drug was composed of about 60% methylone (120 mg) and 38% 5-MeO-MIPT (76 mg). This case report suggests that clinicians should be alert to the possibility of the emergence of methylone or 5-MeO-MIPT intoxication, and substance-related mental disorder may be complicated by combined use of other psychoactive drugs.​

The person THOUGHT they were doing a 186mg dose of pure methylone and ended up doing 120mg M1 plus 76mg (!!!) 5-MeO-MIPT.

OF COURSE THEY ENDED UP IN THE ER! 76 mg is, all would agree a MASSIVE OVERDOSE of 5-MeO-MIPT. The stupid "researchers" (HA!) should have been flogged or at least docked some course credits or pay... they certainly ought to have know that is WAAAY outside normal dosing guidelines, and that this ONE SINGLE incident in NO way by any stretch of the imagination proves whatever the hell kind of squishy useless "general conclusion" they are trying to make. These are merely a couple medical hacks attempting to cash in on anti-drug hysteria and increase their "Publication Count" on their fucking inflated asshole resumes.
 
That case report actually has some pretty surprising data. I find it unlikely that the guy actually ingested 76mg of 5-meo-mipt. He would certainly have died or at least have had much worse symptoms than mentioned in the report. The chromatograms they supply agrees with their 60% methylone 38% 5-meo-mipt hypothesis but it is possible that the powder was not mixed homogenously. So, the patient could have had a much lower amount of 5-meo-mipt. Regardless, the supplier needs to be shot in the face.

"Thirty minutes later, he started to feel nausea and sick in the stomach, and visited one of his friends for help. In his friend's room, he shouted with agitation. He fell down on the floor, and he kicked around in a prone position aimlessly. He kept crying out that he felt very lonely, all is vanity, and added that he took a recreational drug “methylone” bought via internet. Soon an ambulance arrived, and medical technicians could not carry him because of his psychomotor excitement."
"His temperature was 37.8 °C, pulse 150 bpm, and blood pressure 144/81 mm Hg."
"One and half hours after risperidone treatment, his symptoms disappeared and he could communicate coherently."
"Two weeks after recovery from acute intoxication, he did not exhibit any residual symptoms including a depressive mood or euphoria. He, however, had no recollection of his experience during acute intoxication."

The pulse and blood pressure readings are way below what I'd expect at that dose. At 12-14mg, my BP, HR was 155/110, 130. The temperature increase is not that dramatic so serotonin syndrome is unlikely. Toxicity was probably more from the 5-meo-mipt.

Anyway 5-meo-mipt and methylone I think is a bad idea physiologically speaking because of the strong adrenergic effects of both drugs.

Visitor Q - 2cb on the comedown probably won’t do much due rapid receptor downregulation but should be safe.
 
I must say I had a magickal day and that 5-MeO-MiPT now holds a warm little spot in my heart.
I started with a 6-7mg dose and contrary to some reports, the come-up was quite comfortable (but yes, a little case of tryptamine shakes) and slow. No visuals but a definite ++ was set in place.

I took another 6-7mg 5 hours later and in the evening indulged in some MDMA.
The Nitrous and Ketamine was out of this world but very intense... not for everyone.
Time disappeared, or so it seemed.

My friend O and I spent the whole day listening to tons of eclectic music. The soundscapes were unfathomable. I must agree that it must also be a GREAT sex drug. More so than MDMA for me I think.

The 2C-B on the comedown was very nice. Added some much appreciated visuals and a comfortable afterglow.

Overall 5-MeO-MiPT was for me a very smooth and pleasant ride. I understand now why it has been called the MDMA of tryptamines.

And yes, I took some vitamins, ate a little, took some 5-HTP and slept like a baby afterwards.
 
i do not like this tryptamine orally.
it digests into something that cranks my heart rate out the yin yang.

Now smoked even then 5-7mg smoked on a wee bowl of marijuana is perfect
You do not need much of this compound in my opinion...
 
I will confirm that it IS active and easy to smoke single small bumps ... very effective smooth and controllable that way.
 
DwayneHoover said:
OF COURSE THEY ENDED UP IN THE ER! 76 mg is, all would agree a MASSIVE OVERDOSE of 5-MeO-MIPT. The stupid "researchers" (HA!) should have been flogged or at least .
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I've done 70 mg of 5-MeO-MiPT (thanks to careless labelling - thought I was going for a test drive of 70 mg 3-desoxy-MDA) and had a surprisingly friendly, if powerful, trip. It seems, for me personally at least, that moxy has a very accepting and large dosage window. However, I would not recommend such dosages to anyone. It was not a threatening or alarming experience, even once I realized the mistake. After this, the ride was easy to float along with or even control - mostly felt like the dosage was overkill. Like perhaps going 20 mg overboard a moderate 2C-B trip than 4 times a chemical not much explored and possibly dangerous at that kind of dosage. I surely would not like to know what that kind of dosage is when augmented with another powerful serotonin-releaser....

One of the unique aspects of 5-meo-mipt seem to be it adaptability and acceptance regarding dosage - from 2 mg up to 20 mg it is very useful for different things in the different "dosage zones". Not at all like other tryptamines, were a minor dosing would mostly get one queasy and feel "neither here nor there".
 
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For me an hour or two. I would guess this is highly variable between people, though.
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The same duration goes for me and two friends, so I guess some generalization can be made at least.

It is a highly pleasant and euphoric feeling with the psychedelic dimensions of both bodily tactility and the mind working in tandem, without the powerful and sometimes scary "rush" associated with 5-meo-dmt. The ramp up is slower, so it is easier to connect the amount smoked to the level one wants to achieve.

Usually have smoked 4-10 mg during a session, with tolerance making me upping the level. Note that some saturation is felt. For me at least, this prevents doing more than 2-5 redosings. Anyway, the experience is very rewarding in a way which leaves me content and OK with leaving my psychedelic state.
 
I know most people don't seem to get this to the degree I had but it did have the 5-MeO-DMT like rush for me, it was pretty hard to deal with the energetic release even though I have experience with such things and focussed on it. It took meditation and some dancing and letting it out and even then I was not really comfortable with it.
The other effects people mention were so minor for me they stayed in the shadow of what I just described. And that was around 7-8 mg. Doses about 10 times as high therefore scare me if I imagine them, even if they are physically safe... as you might understand.
I don't know exactly what that was about, some day or another I need to do some new experiments with it perhaps. Needless to say I am amazed at it's popularity looking at the effect profile I got.

Regarding 5-MeO's: 5-MeO-DiPT did not give me this energy effect, it was quite comfortable and interesting overall although it was not entirely spotless on the body.
I consider the energy / rush effect a property I associate with 5-MeO's, combining many reports and my experiences with 5-MeO-MiPT and 5-MeO-DMT and comparing. Perhaps I shouldn't generalize like that, perhaps I should. It may be a powerful tapping into kundalini but it's a little too much quantitatively without feeling it well enough qualitatively for my taste. I worry that one might do some damage by misdirecting this energy as well actually.
Stanislav Grof wrote about such things in 'Spiritual Emergency' and I am reminded by what I read there.

Anyway I don't want to condemn 5-MeO-MiPT and to each their own anyway. It just may not be for me, or there may be other factors at play not taken into consideration. Like I said let me try it again someday before I start making up my mind more.
 
I did 8mg(90kg) on Friday and the stimulation was something I've never experienced before. I didn't leave my flat, but for about 5hrs it lasted I walked maybe 20km. I simply could not stop, if I tried to lie down I had to stand up within few seconds and walk again. I have quite alot of experience with methamphetamine and some with amphetamine and that stimulation was something much more pushy and of a really different type. In fact it didn't let me to feel anything else and there were almost no OEV and CEV. Mentaly almost nothing as well. After few hours I added 100mg of M1, but it did almost nothing to improve the overall feeling. Then I drank one bottle of wine which helped a bit, although I wouldn't call the state pleasant. Whole story was ended by stilnox after 6 hours.
I don't see why I should try it again, but I will give it a try sometimes at about 4mg to see the difference. I can't even think about any higher dose, the stimulation was really overwhelming. So carefully with the dosage if you have >98% material.
 
The 'almost no visuals' and the presence of this stimulation clearly depict this 5-MeO energy quality doesn't it?
Like I said: for me it was not noticable in 5-MeO-DiPT but that it may not be there in every 5-MeO-x-T experience is to me less significant in the similarities in experiences where it IS present.

Right?
 
aldare said:
I did 8mg(90kg) on Friday and the stimulation was something I've never experienced before. I didn't leave my flat, but for about 5hrs it lasted I walked maybe 20km. I simply could not stop, if I tried to lie down I had to stand up within few seconds and walk again. I have quite alot of experience with methamphetamine and some with amphetamine and that stimulation was something much more pushy and of a really different type. In fact it didn't let me to feel anything else and there were almost no OEV and CEV. Mentaly almost nothing as well. After few hours I added 100mg of M1, but it did almost nothing to improve the overall feeling. Then I drank one bottle of wine which helped a bit, although I wouldn't call the state pleasant. Whole story was ended by stilnox after 6 hours.
I don't see why I should try it again, but I will give it a try sometimes at about 4mg to see the difference. I can't even think about any higher dose, the stimulation was really overwhelming. So carefully with the dosage if you have >98% material.
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I dont understand adding the M1. First of all at only 100mg all you're gonna get from M1 is *MORE* stimulation... the "Euphoric Pulse" effects usually don't start till somewhat higher doses, even for stronger-than-typical-responders to M1.

And your ultra-stim response to the 5-meo-mipt makes me figure you must have been scammed and someone who had only stims wanted to get rid of it so claimed they had exotic tryptamines, and so you ended up doing 9mg of adderall or some other amphet. 9mg of Moxy was never that stimmy for me or for most... in fact I slowly ended up going higher in dose with only mild stimulation.

NO ONE JUMP ALL OVER ME! I'm just saying that's MY experience is all... I know some people do have very different reactions.

Well if it was real Moxy, just goes to show how everyone's metabolism operates on a unique set of biases and so anyone can have an oddly intense (or weak) response to anything... always best to start at 1/2 the "standard recommended dose."

Try and find someone who has done Moxy before, and give them 9mg of what you have and see if THEY think it's real 5-meo-mipt or some counterfeit, or if they react the way you did.
 
Sure we all have our subjective experiences. :) I don't understand the M1 addition either by the way...

but the stimulation from 5-MeO-MiPT, I buy that and it's not like a stimulant in my experience. It's much more of a psychedelic body load, a visceral energy.
I was not reminded by any amphetamine or other phenethylamine, but later experiences with 5-MeO-DMT had a very similar quality.
Something else that was similar was not only this relative absence of visuals but the visual effects that were there were of flowing energies. On 5-MeO-DMT this was seen and all the more clear with added S-ketamine. The more usual distortions, patterns, colors and morphing were replaced by this more direct feel. It was like it was more universal, preceeding everything else.

Also: I have read about descriptions that were quite like this. Uncolored flowing energies.
 
DwayneHoover said:
I dont understand adding the M1. First of all at only 100mg all you're gonna get from M1 is *MORE* stimulation... the "Euphoric Pulse" effects usually don't start till somewhat higher doses, even for stronger-than-typical-responders to M1.

And your ultra-stim response to the 5-meo-mipt makes me figure you must have been scammed and someone who had only stims wanted to get rid of it so claimed they had exotic tryptamines, and so you ended up doing 9mg of adderall or some other amphet. 9mg of Moxy was never that stimmy for me or for most... in fact I slowly ended up going higher in dose with only mild stimulation.

NO ONE JUMP ALL OVER ME! I'm just saying that's MY experience is all... I know some people do have very different reactions.

Well if it was real Moxy, just goes to show how everyone's metabolism operates on a unique set of biases and so anyone can have an oddly intense (or weak) response to anything... always best to start at 1/2 the "standard recommended dose."

Try and find someone who has done Moxy before, and give them 9mg of what you have and see if THEY think it's real 5-meo-mipt or some counterfeit, or if they react the way you did.
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Last time I did 170mg of M1 and it was simply too much (into AMT+2c-d) for what I was looking for. I am not very experienced with M1 (had it only 3 times), so finding it's usage still. 100mg was too litle so next time I will go with 130-140mg.

As far as the source is being concerned, I doubt it will be the case, it is one of the most legit and they are not selling any "speed" stuff (except 5-meo-mipt :))

As I've written, I do have quite a lot of experience with meth and amphetamine and this was something absolutely different.
 
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had a recent interesting experiment with ~9mg of moxy. i think i like this chemical at lower doses tough (~6mg), as it seems to be a bit overwhelming to me at anything this high. i am quite sensitive to it though

like other have said before, i dont think this compound is to be treasured for its visuals, as it lacks in that department and they appear at higher doses and towards the second half of the trip, however, it has an inherent sexyness to it. on methylone i feel sexy because i feel confident, on this one i feel sexy because i feel like i am moving in sync with my animal side. hard to describe. but still, for me anything above 6mg is not a party drug

trip report here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=545470
 
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