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turning "gay" while rolling

crunchymilk said:
It doesn't make sense scientifically, and to agree that MDMA turns people gay will only allow MDMA opponents to keep using that in their arguments. Other than that, I think it's a good thing that MDMA allows people to understand their sexuality, it's not turning anybody into something else when they weren't originally before, just haven't been able to realize it or they were suppressing it.
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This = truth. I've noticed a couple of my guy friends that act very hetero sober have undeniably gay traits when they're rolling (beyond simple friend to friend affection). One of those guys actually ended up coming out as gay, and everyone's pretty suspicious of the other's inclination. For me MDMA let me admit it to myself and it was a huge relief psychologically.
 
Disgruntled said:
The first time I was able to admit to myself I was bi was when I was rolling...so it didn't turn me gay (bi, whatever) but it helped me to get comfortable with something I kinda already knew.
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When you roll your inhibitions seem pointless and indeed you wonder why you had them in the first place, as they only seem to get in the way of you being you and totally open to the other people around.

I agree that mdma helped me overcome my inhibitions about being bi/gay and helped me enjoy that aspect of my personality. Prior to rolling I sort of knew it but wasn't prepared to act on it. But afterwards I just couldn't be bothered with all the hassle of not being open any more.
 
Wow, three of us in this thread alone. I actually figured I was somewhat of a rarity in this. A testament to the therapeutic properties of MDxx.
 
thelearner said:
Absolutely -- I notice this myself. I'm always really confused about who is and isn't gay while rolling. Sometimes I'd fucking SWEAR someone is gay, and it generally turns out they're just rolling their ass off. I think it is definitely a drug with a feminine energy. I know for SURE I probably look gay -- until I start making out with hotties -- but I'm mostly straight (i.e. almost always have a girlfriend, LOVE women, never had any gay experences, but thought about it and have some mild interest in it, but never enough to act on it even when offered make-out sessions by attractive men while I'm rolling).

Also, I think the view in this thread is very limited in terms of human sexuality. It's not a binary gay / not gay world. People are on a spectrum of straight to gay, with most people being closer to one end or another, but with plenty somewhere in between. For example, if 1 is totally straight and 10 is totally gay, I'm probably a 2.5. I'm all about the ladies, but I might go gay for Brad Pitt while rolling, dig? (Shit, maybe sober. Dudes fuckin' hot, let's be honest).
MDMA allows more full expression of sexuality AND affection. The line between those two is very blurry and hazy. But the whole point of rolling is drop the constant need to categorize and define and separate people and instead to share our love with one another in whatever form that comes in. And I mean really, in the end, who gives a shit? When you're rolling, affection and touch is simply phenomenal, no matter who it comes from. Just enjoy it -- and if your friends or new friends turn out to exhibit gay behavior (remember, that doesn't mean they're gay, just not totally straight!), slap 'em on the ass and help them go find a dude to dry hump. =D
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Not once has the thought of brad pitt being hot ever crossed my mind. That being said what is this thread all about anyway what difference does it make if somone is gay or not? If someone comes onto you and you don't appreciate their advances kindly tell them you are not interested. Whatever happened to Peace Unity Love and Respect?
 
loncho said:
makes perfect sense. It has nothing to do with being straight or gay, it's about how hard/impossible it is to get a boner without viagra/cialis when you're rolling hard.
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Ahhhh yea i misread his post. WooooPzZz
 
thelearner said:
Not me.

If she isn't bangin' hot (to me, anyway), I'm just flat out not interested. Sex with unattractive women is horrible. My dick refuses to cooperate, and it's a deeply unpleasant experience trying to pretend I'm enjoying the experience. The whole time all I can think about is how to leave as quickly as possible. I honestly don't know how other guys do it. Some say alcohol, but seriously, that just makes it worse for me.

Still -- and I know I'll catch flak from the homophobic retards for this ("Hur hur, you only like really hot women cuz ur a faggot, faggot, hurrrrr!") -- I'd be open to a gay experience given the right circumstances, person, etc., though the odds of all the factors coalescing are quite low, so it probably won't happen, especially given I'm not "seeking" it out.
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If you're fucking an ugly girl you just have to look at it differently, with a hot girl you want to bring your a game and make her come back for more, if it's a grenade you just want to get your nut and pass out... It really comes down to what you'd rather do'at the end of the night, fuck a vagina or fuck your hand.


And on topic of the thread, I have gay friends and I've been to raves with them... I've straight up been asked by people if I was gay because I was kicking if with them, im sure I looked gay as hell, I treat my gay friends the same as I'd treat my straight friends whether I'm rolling or not... I won't hesitate to hug them and say I love you man, but I'd never kiss them or cuddle them, now thats some gay ass shit.... And most of the time when I'm with them and a girl asks if I'm gay that's how I know she's interested, it actually makes talking to girls easier, cause if I was with my straight friends they'd be trying to creep too.
 
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Ive hugged my buddies, kissing is out of the question. No offense to you. It can also depend on where you live I guess in some European countries men kiss all the time as a sign of respect and care. I uno I guess it would have to be how it all went down when u guys were golding hands what were u talking about when he kissed ur hand did he kiss it and then say like i fuckinjg love you guys ur my bros , could you explain his demeanor a littler more..and what happened after he kissed ur hand, what was the vibe like around u guys
 
Who cares if something is considered gay or not... if you and your friends are comfortable with what's going on it doesn't matter. When on MDxx you often have a lot of affection to show, I can see how you might do some things you might not normally be that comfortable with. I've never gone beyond hugging and a massage but I just really don't see why this is a big deal haha.
 
I've had tons of rolls with great friends where we're like "I love you man...like for real man, I would take a bullet for you."

and we've definitely hugged it out, and given many affectionate props, maybe even a chest bump or two.

but kissing hands, shirtless, carressing? nah man....just no.

like someone said before, it's possible that one of your boys is hiding something. no offense to you or him...just a possible suggestion. I've had a friend or two throughout the years that turned up swinging both ways, and I still have the utmost repsect for them...mostly.
 
Everybody thinks that MDMA can turn you gay. The fact of the matter is that that glittery stuff is fairy dust and contact with glitter can turn you gay. Glowsticks too. And dancing. Well maybe MDMA as well. Contact sports. Television. Piercings and tattoos. Plus some gay guys are so powerfully gay they can turn you just by looking at ya. ;)

People could end up having a homoerotic experience rolling. No one's essential sexual orientation is going to end up changed. I've had some wild hetero experience through chemical enhancement and it was nice but didn't change me. And I don't think I deserve a bi label for doing something nice and intimate with beautiful people of the wrong gender. Stuff just happens sometimes.
 
What's all this about "wrong" gender and labels. You are what you are man and you've done the things you've done. Accept it. That's the great thing about you can accept what you are. Or did you miss that part somewhere along the line?
 
burn2shine said:
If you're fucking an ugly girl you just have to look at it differently, with a hot girl you want to bring your a game and make her come back for more, if it's a grenade you just want to get your nut and pass out... It really comes down to what you'd rather do'at the end of the night, fuck a vagina or fuck your hand.


And on topic of the thread, I have gay friends and I've been to raves with them... I've straight up been asked by people if I was gay because I was kicking if with them, im sure I looked gay as hell, I treat my gay friends the same as I'd treat my straight friends whether I'm rolling or not... I won't hesitate to hug them and say I love you man, but I'd never kiss them or cuddle them, now thats some gay ass shit.... And most of the time when I'm with them and a girl asks if I'm gay that's how I know she's interested, it actually makes talking to girls easier, cause if I was with my straight friends they'd be trying to creep too.
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you sound like somebody from jersey shore
 
iCafe said:
Ive hugged my buddies, kissing is out of the question. No offense to you. It can also depend on where you live I guess in some European countries men kiss all the time as a sign of respect and care. I uno I guess it would have to be how it all went down when u guys were golding hands what were u talking about when he kissed ur hand did he kiss it and then say like i fuckinjg love you guys ur my bros , could you explain his demeanor a littler more..and what happened after he kissed ur hand, what was the vibe like around u guys
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Dubulous. said:
I've had tons of rolls with great friends where we're like "I love you man...like for real man, I would take a bullet for you."

and we've definitely hugged it out, and given many affectionate props, maybe even a chest bump or two.

but kissing hands, shirtless, carressing? nah man....just no.

like someone said before, it's possible that one of your boys is hiding something. no offense to you or him...just a possible suggestion. I've had a friend or two throughout the years that turned up swinging both ways, and I still have the utmost repsect for them...mostly.
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I think this says more about "closet tendencies" in American culture then anything else. If you're straight and attracted to women, how is kissing another dude's hand going to make you attracted to men?

I just don't understand your logic. Why is it okay to say things like "I'll take bullet for you" okay but another guy kissing another dude's hand in "just, no". It's the same fucking thing.
 
levictus said:
I think this says more about "closet tendencies" in American culture then anything else. If you're straight and attracted to women, how is kissing another dude's hand going to make you attracted to men?

I just don't understand your logic. Why is it okay to say things like "I'll take bullet for you" okay but another guy kissing another dude's hand in "just, no". It's the same fucking thing.
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no my friend...it is not the same thing.

telling someone you'd take a bullet for them is a phrase used in a conversation to let your good buddy know that you have the utmost respect for him and care about the preservation and well-being of his life.

taking your shirt off, holding hands, kissing hands....that is more than an expression of respect...it's one of intamacy.

if you want to call it an "american cultural thing" and somehow mangle this conversation into an insult toward americans then go right ahead....whatever helps you get thru the day homie.
 
I think the porn post was right, whatever you look at when your alone determines your truest sexuality... lmfao
 
burn2shine said:
If you're fucking an ugly girl you just have to look at it differently, with a hot girl you want to bring your a game and make her come back for more, if it's a grenade you just want to get your nut and pass out... It really comes down to what you'd rather do'at the end of the night, fuck a vagina or fuck your hand.


And on topic of the thread, I have gay friends and I've been to raves with them... I've straight up been asked by people if I was gay because I was kicking if with them, im sure I looked gay as hell, I treat my gay friends the same as I'd treat my straight friends whether I'm rolling or not... I won't hesitate to hug them and say I love you man, but I'd never kiss them or cuddle them, now thats some gay ass shit.... And most of the time when I'm with them and a girl asks if I'm gay that's how I know she's interested, it actually makes talking to girls easier, cause if I was with my straight friends they'd be trying to creep too.
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Lol, speak guido much?
 
wow it doesn't make you gay because me and my homeboys have done it 2 many times and not had anything remotely close happen. he's probably just acting on something inside of himself he hasn't come to grips with or express in another manner i'd say. but rolling definetly doesn't turn you gay and no disrespect to anyone but....man what is happening in 2010 %)
 
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