"tan" mdpv

[x89]

Correct.

ALL of these chemicals are _supposed_ to be white, with very, very few exceptions.

The brown/tan/yellow is from impurities... the infamous 'amorphous tar' that is the bane of every synthetic organic chemist's existence.

The degree of discoloration varies from batch to batch and chemist to chemist, and has very little to do with how potent the product is, since it takes only a fraction of a % of brown crap to make white powder look disgusting.

Oh I'll remember that then, that does little to narrow down the magic ingredient. As I said I was under the impression you'd nip down to the chemist and get some off-white food colouring (perhaps what some of the branded products do).

There _has_ to be way though! Looking at the synthesis process, could just _any_ chemical slip in and browize it? If it were only a select few, or those which might happen to be around those in the business. Then I guess you don't know what stage at which the brown-ness appeared would you?

I assume a lot of you know how to produce this, and would have an "ingredients list", a bunch of products you'd require to begin the process. Are there any of them which, being off balance or, an entirely new chemical (perhaps accidentally) added to the mix thus making it tan in colour?

You can tell I'm over by depth but I'm trying to fire out ideas that others might catch on to and go ... *ZING*

 

[fastandbulbous]

Are you saying there's very little one can tell about a chemical based on its colour?

Well other than inorganic metal salts (eg all copper salts have a blue/green tinge to some degree), azo dye type compounds and weird chelated structures like chlorophyll & haemoglobin, no

 

[fastandbulbous]

Aw, damn, what a pity

Perhaps you can use this opportunity to consider on whether it's still better than the white MDPV. (ie, possibly confirm or rule out the "good old days" explanation).

Have you tried MDPPP? Could the tan MDPV have been MDPPP? (almost everyone says it's better than MDPV, so...)

Yeah, MDPPP has a different feel to it and that ain't what the tan stuff is. When I plugged that soln it wasn't noticably different from the best white batches I've encountered. I think the tan stuff got a reputation as that was the colour of the first lot widely available and people were blown away by it's potency. Once it became more commonplace (& white) people were much more familiar with it and as the adage goes 'familiarity breeds contempt' so the tan stuff became a mythical product (druggies are prone to waxing mythical about products - it goes with the territory!)

 

[General alcazar]

I disagree. The tan stuff from the old days was not so much stronger as ore euphoric and a much stronger aphrodisiac / dose.I've had plenty of both and am sure there was a difference. In fact, I had both at one time and compared them close together.
Something else I've noticed is that smoked the stimulation is much less but euphoric / lecherous effects are stronger. I know it's unhealthy but I had to try it. It also has a weird partial numbing effect on the focal cords which causes a mild laryngitis.

 

[Ceres]

I think the tan stuff got a reputation as that was the colour of the first lot widely available and people were blown away by it's potency. Once it became more commonplace (& white) people were much more familiar with it and as the adage goes 'familiarity breeds contempt' so the tan stuff became a mythical product (druggies are prone to waxing mythical about products - it goes with the territory!)

I think you're completely right there. It's almost the perfect stimulant for me, but expecting it to also be the first drug (as far as I know anyway) that's as good as the first time, every time no matter how long you take it for, and rationalising the fact you havent obtained that yet by saying well it's the colour, it's a different substance, it's the bloody suppliers up to no good, and it's feeling more and more out of reach than ever - that's a state of mind that needs no explanation really isn't it? MDPV is definately that kind of drug.

I had an interesting surprise which illustrates this in a way, with some MDPV I'd bought before the ban that was crappy looking, full of lumps and had a couple maybe a cubic cm in size, which I expected to be some diluent, chalk or talc etc, and they were the only thing left in the bag eventually.

- I watched a fragment off one as it was nudged into a tiny drop of water at 100x mag, and saw an avalanche of masses of crystals flow out that were so obviously the same as the powdered material in the bag, and almost all of the other mdpv I'd looked at.

So I just sliced the biggest lump down the middle and got an immediate nose full of the sugary slightly spicy sweet smell that was exactly the same as my first ever batch of mdpv, the best I ever had. I don't know what saffrole smells like, but this was unmistakble and the inside of those rocks were fresh as anything and great fun.

Familiarity breeds contempt indeed. (doubly relevant to MDPV and those of us prone to going on a bit come to think of it )

 

[General alcazar]

Again I'm speaking strictly subjectively, but the MDPV from the tan batch I had was almost 4 years old when I finished it and was stored in the bag it came it which was cut at the corned and folded over to close it. When it was finally done, it was about 3-4 years old and just as fantastic as the day it came in the mail. I'm not saying the newer product is not MDPV (it clearly is) or that it is cut (active dose about the same). It is just qualitatively different. Anyways, it is a moot point. Maybe someday someone will again create this product, though I'm close to flushing the rest of my MDPV own the toilet because it is so damn hard to stop using once I start.

 

[laxbum21]

What else do they put in the ivory wave that makes it smell the way it does? I've tried some other ones such as tranquility that almost smells like grape. reminds me of fun dip. lol. does anyone know what is in the ivory wave that seems to be somewhat of a numbing agent. And btw its easy to get your hands on the tan mdpv.

 

[Limpet_Chicken]

I noticed that peculiar sensation of throat constriction also, thing is, I never smoked any, I plugged the very last of mine last night, that tan ivory wave product, the one that had a very slight earthy scent to it, and was strong as hell, and it felt like the back of my throat was tightening and constricting, sort of like a huge dose of piracetam would do, or too much of a cholinesterase inhibitor, well, huperzine A did the same thing, galantamine does not, at least for me.

I found it odd, from a rectal dose, while it would be understandable if taken nasally or smoked.

 

[Soap MacTavish]

I had an interesting surprise which illustrates this in a way, with some MDPV I'd bought before the ban that was crappy looking, full of lumps and had a couple maybe a cubic cm in size, which I expected to be some diluent, chalk or talc etc, and they were the only thing left in the bag eventually.

- I watched a fragment off one as it was nudged into a tiny drop of water at 100x mag, and saw an avalanche of masses of crystals flow out that were so obviously the same as the powdered material in the bag, and almost all of the other mdpv I'd looked at.

So I just sliced the biggest lump down the middle and got an immediate nose full of the sugary slightly spicy sweet smell that was exactly the same as my first ever batch of mdpv, the best I ever had. I don't know what saffrole smells like, but this was unmistakble and the inside of those rocks were fresh as anything and great fun.

This is good to hear because it jives with my own experience with MDPV in which I always seem to find the hard "clumps" to be much more potent all around milligram per millgram then the powder surrounding it. I usually save those clumps for when I want to kick it up a notch. Also if I snort the stuff, hours later if I move my nose around or itch/agitate it, I can get a couple strong bonus freebie hits. Same thing happens if I take a shower, the steam re-agitates or re-dissolves the clumps and I get hit hard.

How do some of you guys have the same batch of PV in your possession for 4 years.... how the hell did you manage that? I can't hang on to a bag for more than a couple weeks.

Regarding the throat constriction thing, I get the same effect regardless of ingestion method, but I don't think it is actual swelling of the throat, I think it may be vasoconstriction of some veins in the throat, which causes a reduction of blood to the area and hence the "cold" or "numb" feeling. Just a thought because the same effect occasionally presents on my extremities, it comes and goes in waves. I've also read about the peripheral effect being so pronounced on some people their lips go blue.

 

[DextroKid]

Have some tan MDPV at the moment myself. This was my first test run and so far have insufflated 15mg in 5mg increments, over the last two hours. Not much effect to speak of, slight stimulation, feels like something wants to happen but it just isn't. Wary of doing too much more after all the horror stories of dosing too much, but honestly at this point, this doesn't feel much speedier than ephedrine, just cleaner.
Then again, I have been taking d-amphetamine (Dexedrine) for over two years now, so maybe this just isn't on the same level. Any possibility of cross tolerance between the two substances?
What would be a good starting threshold dose for a stimulant tolerant individual?

 

[nuke]

Have some tan MDPV at the moment myself. This was my first test run and so far have insufflated 15mg in 5mg increments, over the last two hours. Not much effect to speak of, slight stimulation, feels like something wants to happen but it just isn't. Wary of doing too much more after all the horror stories of dosing too much, but honestly at this point, this doesn't feel much speedier than ephedrine, just cleaner.
Then again, I have been taking d-amphetamine (Dexedrine) for over two years now, so maybe this just isn't on the same level. Any possibility of cross tolerance between the two substances?
What would be a good starting threshold dose for a stimulant tolerant individual?

That sounds like there may be some issues with purity unless you have a high tolerance. MDPV in pretty strongly active in me from 2-8mg intranasal or sublingual, which is about double the potency of racemic methylphenidate. If you have a dexedrine habit though...

 

[DextroKid]

Well, I'm obviously still awake, and I can now relate in some ways to some of the posts that I have been reading about this chem. Dosed again, at 35mg currently, definitely feeling wide awake, but there is nearly no euphoria to speak of past the first 10-15 min following a bump. I know I have read this countless times on these threads, but it is quite strange how something that is not interesting in the least would give me the desire to re-dose in spite of this fact. Very odd indeed.
Quite experienced with stimulants in general, ex-tweaker of several years, and currently prescribed Dexedrine. I don't even get an urge to redose with the Dex anymore and it is far more pleasurable. Maybe I should just resist the urge to do another bump of pv and just smoke a bowl. I think this is the plan. MDPV seems very undirected and non-motivational to me. I have plenty of energy but don't have any motivation whatsoever to do anything productive and honestly am quite bored. My general consensus is that at somewhat safe and moderate doses, this chemical is rather boring, lacks any substance whatsoever. No horror story here just physical stimulation that leads to nothing substantial or worthwhile. Next please.....8)

 

[exoactus]

Is all MDPV available now-a-days the white variety or do some still sell the tan stuff? From just general browsing it seems everyones MDPV is white, but this european source is claiming to have for purchase tan MDPV, I'm wondering if it'd be worth the extra money, or if it'll just be a waste and no better than just getting the typical white fluffy powder from usual sources.

 

[exoactus]

Well, I'm obviously still awake, and I can now relate in some ways to some of the posts that I have been reading about this chem. Dosed again, at 35mg currently, definitely feeling wide awake, but there is nearly no euphoria to speak of past the first 10-15 min following a bump. I know I have read this countless times on these threads, but it is quite strange how something that is not interesting in the least would give me the desire to re-dose in spite of this fact. Very odd indeed.
Quite experienced with stimulants in general, ex-tweaker of several years, and currently prescribed Dexedrine. I don't even get an urge to redose with the Dex anymore and it is far more pleasurable. Maybe I should just resist the urge to do another bump of pv and just smoke a bowl. I think this is the plan. MDPV seems very undirected and non-motivational to me. I have plenty of energy but don't have any motivation whatsoever to do anything productive and honestly am quite bored. My general consensus is that at somewhat safe and moderate doses, this chemical is rather boring, lacks any substance whatsoever. No horror story here just physical stimulation that leads to nothing substantial or worthwhile. Next please.....8)

That's interesting.. at 35mg I would have been it a stimulated tweeked out heart racing kind of panic. I found a good dose for just general wakefulness and alertness at around 3-5mg. At around 7-10mg I would feel the urge to move, to do something active, good dopamine rush, excellent ability to focus.
I haven't done more than this in one dose.. never felt the need too, at that higher of that level I already felt fairly hyper-stimulated.

I'd guess your stuff is either just weak or you have some kind of tolerance.

 

[Ceres]

Is all MDPV available now-a-days the white variety or do some still sell the tan stuff? From just general browsing it seems everyones MDPV is white, but this european source is claiming to have for purchase tan MDPV, I'm wondering if it'd be worth the extra money, or if it'll just be a waste and no better than just getting the typical white fluffy powder from usual sources.

"it'll just be a waste and no better than just getting the typical white fluffy powder from usual sources."

15mg in 5mg increments, over the last two hours.

I prefer a single larger dose of ~15mg, otherwise I find myself taking a few mg every hour or half hour all day and it too easily becomes the sole focus of my attention.

 

[Gormur]

I received some mdpv today that's tan. it looks like light-colored brown sugar

I'm not in Europe and this isn't from Europe, if that matters

 

[ichoose4me]

I just put in my 2 cents here. Ive had 3 orders of MDPV. 1st dark tan from China was good. 2nd I dont remember shade tan from USA better and 3rd light tan from the 1st China place weak. Havent tried white but I dont believe its the tan that makes it better.

 

[Solipsis]

There was a thread in here earlier about someone who claimed that the tan product is the freebase. I thought that for phenethylamine stims often the freebase is very instable and can be pretty oily and caustic...

The only PV that I ever tried was one of the earliest batches, it was indeed tan. I didn't really like it, jittery shit etc - honestly the alpha-PPP was better. But still crap.

 

[vecktor]

I am open to the possibility that the tan MDPV story might have more to it than internet drug lore,
especially as the suspected degradation product has unknown pharmacology and might be working synergistically with MDPV or even on its own to give a qualitatively different experience.

thanks to the legal highs vendors and the clueless fuckers on this forum and elsewhere the degradation product is also schedule 1 controlled in the UK and prevents any proper research.

 

[nuke]

Which degredation product are we talking about here?