The Big & Dandy MDAI Thread
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So even though this is 'non neuro-toxic' so to speak, would i be right to assume over use would still cause down regulation of serotonin receptors due to excessive serotonin release, and other problems alike?
On that note should one follow the same general rule of thumb as with MDMA and keep experiences well spaced to avoid these problems?
Am i right to assume there will be a cross tollerance with MDMA and MDAI?
On that note should one follow the same general rule of thumb as with MDMA and keep experiences well spaced to avoid these problems?
Am i right to assume there will be a cross tollerance with MDMA and MDAI?
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Oddly enough I actually had far more of a comedown from MDAI than I ever have from MDMA. Never get comedowns from MDMA but was really quite low and lifeless by the second day after using MDAI at similar dosage - kinda like the Suicide Tuesday thing I'd always thought of as a myth. Hardly the comedown from hell but far worse than MDMA for me... but I've never had and MDMA comedown to compare. Afterglows ftw
Not that comedown relates to toxicity but found it somewhat strange myself so worth a mention.
Not that comedown relates to toxicity but found it somewhat strange myself so worth a mention.
Has anyone managed to actually get white crystaline mdai on its own?
From what ive seen/read its been clumpy, wet and brown coloured. And at the moment i cannot find a vendor anywhere that seems to stock mdai and the one that did have pulled it from their site, so could it actually be possible that the mdai that people have managed to get is actually of poor quality?
From what ive seen/read its been clumpy, wet and brown coloured. And at the moment i cannot find a vendor anywhere that seems to stock mdai and the one that did have pulled it from their site, so could it actually be possible that the mdai that people have managed to get is actually of poor quality?
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^ I suspect the stuff that looks like dog shit is far from top quality. Mine was a light brown, very fine powder. Sure there's talk somewhere in the last few pages of this thread of how to wash it to nice white powder if you wish. The brown powder I had seemed to be perfectly effective potency-wise but I wouldn't touch that dog shit stuff with a shitty stick.
From experience from mephedrone, i once received some that was exactly how i described and it was no where near as good as the white crystaline (also when i dried it was very fine brown powder).
And also the same with powdered mephedrone compared to crystaline (In my opinion crystaline was better - but thats just me!). So im just curious if this could be the case with the mdai that people are getting at the moment. Which if this is the case if vendors supply higher quality product it could actually be stronger than the current product. Maybe im wrong here
And also the same with powdered mephedrone compared to crystaline (In my opinion crystaline was better - but thats just me!). So im just curious if this could be the case with the mdai that people are getting at the moment. Which if this is the case if vendors supply higher quality product it could actually be stronger than the current product. Maybe im wrong here
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Brown chemicals are almost always impure.
Powder vs Crystaline should not make a difference though. You can't take crystals and make it magically less powerful by grinding it up to a powder ;-) Though it's likely that suppliers who bother to recrystalize it to yield crystaline material are also more rigorous in general, and less likely to give you an impure product.
On the topic of the filthy MDAI, lets have a brief review...
Most people in this thread have been getting it from a single asian supplier. It has only recently become available from other suppliers.
The one supplier first had the HCl, which was a light tan, water soluble powder. It was reasonably pure.
Then around october, they sold out of the HCl and switched to the freebase, i suspect from a different supplier, claiming >98.5% purity. This was a chocolate (or dog shit) brown color.
They now finally ran out of the shit-brown freebase, and are now selling the HCl again, at a lower claimed purity level (97.something%) - lets hope this isn't exaggerated as much as the freebase is!
Initially people fretted that people might take too much of the freebase, because it should be more potent. Of course, this turned out to be unfounded, because that batch of freebase was absolutely filthy. And i of course was one of the poor stooges who bought 5g of it (hey, it's more powerful than the salt, right? Riiiight...). Just the past few days i was trying to clean it up, by dissolving it in heptane and then evaporating the heptane.
I've managed to, out of 2 grams of brown shit MDAI, obtain around 500mg of white powder though i'm not done with it. I think the purity is below 50%, absolutely unacceptable. Typical of chinese exporters, and it really says something that they took that brown shit and sold it off, instead of telling their supplier where to shove it.
EDIT: actually, that 500mg may be all i can get out of this (making it only 25% pure). The last pull has almost nothing in it....
Of course now there are UK vendors with it "real soon now", promising white crystals, at much lower prices.
Brown chemicals are almost always impure.
Powder vs Crystaline should not make a difference though. You can't take crystals and make it magically less powerful by grinding it up to a powder ;-) Though it's likely that suppliers who bother to recrystalize it to yield crystaline material are also more rigorous in general, and less likely to give you an impure product.
On the topic of the filthy MDAI, lets have a brief review...
Most people in this thread have been getting it from a single asian supplier. It has only recently become available from other suppliers.
The one supplier first had the HCl, which was a light tan, water soluble powder. It was reasonably pure.
Then around october, they sold out of the HCl and switched to the freebase, i suspect from a different supplier, claiming >98.5% purity. This was a chocolate (or dog shit) brown color.
They now finally ran out of the shit-brown freebase, and are now selling the HCl again, at a lower claimed purity level (97.something%) - lets hope this isn't exaggerated as much as the freebase is!
Initially people fretted that people might take too much of the freebase, because it should be more potent. Of course, this turned out to be unfounded, because that batch of freebase was absolutely filthy. And i of course was one of the poor stooges who bought 5g of it (hey, it's more powerful than the salt, right? Riiiight...). Just the past few days i was trying to clean it up, by dissolving it in heptane and then evaporating the heptane.
I've managed to, out of 2 grams of brown shit MDAI, obtain around 500mg of white powder though i'm not done with it. I think the purity is below 50%, absolutely unacceptable. Typical of chinese exporters, and it really says something that they took that brown shit and sold it off, instead of telling their supplier where to shove it.
EDIT: actually, that 500mg may be all i can get out of this (making it only 25% pure). The last pull has almost nothing in it....
Of course now there are UK vendors with it "real soon now", promising white crystals, at much lower prices.
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What dosage and what was the duration?
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Many UK vendors have stocked it for many months now. My light-brown powder was bought from a UK vendor. From what I've heard it's just lazy labs not washing their product properly in the rush to mass-market. Of course the 107.98923672% purity claims are as much bullshit as the claims for any other mass-market RC vendor claims, but it's lack of finesse rather than outrageous impurity from what I can see. Except for the dog shit stuff which really is dog shit.
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just dropped 150mg and snorted 50mg, really pleasant
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Y'know, I'm not sure if you'll be able to extrapolate a great deal, as I was cycling back on selegiline, and there appeared to be distinct potentiation. Approximately 75 mg were ingested over the course of ~2.5 hours, and the duration was approximately 5 hrs.
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Does any1 hav any experience or thoughts on combining mdai with d2pm???
Quick report on the "chocolate brown" MDAI freebase that's been going around.
It's about 40% pure. After working over 3.9 grams of it as supplied, (multiple extractions with hot heptane, evaporation of solvent), i was left with 2.15g of not-MDAI. About 1.5g of MDAI (off white powder, brilliant white after recrystalation, with the rest lost to mechanical losses (primarily minor spills of the solutions; glassware was rinsed with acetone to recover as much as possible).
THOSE BASTARDS WERE SELLING PRODUCT THAT IS LESS THAN 50% PURE WHILE CLAIMING 98.5%! WHAT THE FUCK?!
God forbid we recrystallize the freebase from a non-polar solvent (prior to preparing the salt, if applicable)
2DPMP? (2-(diphenylmethyl)pipirazine, desoxypipiradrol)
It seems a rather poor choice of stimulants for this purpose. It's not a particularly fun stimulant, certainly among the worst of the RC stims in recreational terms. It lasts forever (while MDAI is short)... I suspect it would work, but they're a really poor match for eachother...
It's about 40% pure. After working over 3.9 grams of it as supplied, (multiple extractions with hot heptane, evaporation of solvent), i was left with 2.15g of not-MDAI. About 1.5g of MDAI (off white powder, brilliant white after recrystalation, with the rest lost to mechanical losses (primarily minor spills of the solutions; glassware was rinsed with acetone to recover as much as possible).
THOSE BASTARDS WERE SELLING PRODUCT THAT IS LESS THAN 50% PURE WHILE CLAIMING 98.5%! WHAT THE FUCK?!
Mmm, well, there's a new crop of them (i wasn't aware of any of the old ones), making promises of white crystal MDAI. Of course, they might ship tan powder too.
God forbid we recrystallize the freebase from a non-polar solvent (prior to preparing the salt, if applicable)
2DPMP? (2-(diphenylmethyl)pipirazine, desoxypipiradrol)
It seems a rather poor choice of stimulants for this purpose. It's not a particularly fun stimulant, certainly among the worst of the RC stims in recreational terms. It lasts forever (while MDAI is short)... I suspect it would work, but they're a really poor match for eachother...
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thnx Azo ;-)
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consider this a warning i came across the new dark brown hcl , and it smells of hopps no9 shotgun cleaning solvent. I was polishing my mossberg two weeks ago and then came across this mdai.
There is no way either my colleagues nor I will consume this filth. I dont even want to think what consuming even a small amount of Hopps no9 would do .
There is no way either my colleagues nor I will consume this filth. I dont even want to think what consuming even a small amount of Hopps no9 would do .
hi first post, long time lurker...
ive just recieved a gram of mdai in the post this morning, its a fine medium brown couloured powder, not many crystals at all.
would this be the inpure freebase? if it is and the purity is really about 50%, would that mean i need a higher doseage than the 150mg i was initially going to take later?
thanks all
ive just recieved a gram of mdai in the post this morning, its a fine medium brown couloured powder, not many crystals at all.
would this be the inpure freebase? if it is and the purity is really about 50%, would that mean i need a higher doseage than the 150mg i was initially going to take later?
thanks all
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That sounds like what I had and is decent quality as far as I could tell. I'm sure brilliant white would be better but unless you want to wash it yourself the fine brown powder seemed fine to me. I believe the crappy "freebase" looks more like this:
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