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BZP + TFMPP pills flooding the market !!!

Well it won't change colour on Marquis, it will fizz up or smoke on Mandelin with some slight colour change maybe after 15 seconds, but turn blue on Simmons from what I have heard on other European forums
 
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Hey,
There is a thread just a few spaces down where this question has already been answered. Here's the link http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=425604

Basically a pill that has no reaction to Marquis/Mandelin/Mecke is dodgy and may be piperazine or bunk. It's reported that mCPP reacts blue with Simons. Important to note that many piperazine pills have small trace amounts of MDxx probably to try and fool a test kit but it's usually not enough to make your test kit react the normal dark purple colour in less than 10sec. Even a pill I would rate as MDxx low should react in less than 10sec. Be warned if the pill contains anywhere from a low-medium-high amount of MDxx + piperazine I very much doubt you will see anything other than a normal reaction for MDxx.

If we have a pill we suspect being a mix of piperazine and another drug such as speed or MDxx I don't thing fizzing of the reagent is not a good indicator of piperazine. Other things make the reagent fizz all the time. I usually see speed fizz a bit. I have often seen high purity MDxx crystals/powder fizz a bit too.

As for smoking and then going black this is reported as the reaction DXM (Dextromethorphan) with Marquis. Please check eztest.com for all basic test kit reactions.
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http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=441484&highlight=mcpp+simons
 
Pink Hell's Kitchen / HK

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http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=20051
 
Apple MAcs

Hey all, had 2 Apple Macs last night/this morning. They are Green.

I am south of Brisbane.


After reading about bzps, I am pretty well 95% certain this is what I got.

After 2 years not touching a pill, this is a harsh reminder of why I stopped in the first place.


Can someone calm my fears as well...2 of these bad boys, I would know by now if I had too much wouldn't I???
 
Its a shame lots of people will try E's and thik they are crap and might never know a good pill thanks to greedy pipe pushes.
 
Had 2 white doves last night, definately bzp or some other type of pipe.In my mates baggy, 1 pill was yellow while the other 3 were white, very sour chemical taste with a slight fizz on the tongue. fuck im a moron and im paying for it now now, cant sleep, could sweats, feeling sick in the stomach, mind state is fucked, shakey, slight dilation of pupils.

Was completely blind drunk so decided it was a good idea to drop them to sober me up, if I was sober I would of never done this but like always alcohol impairs your judgment so it seemed to be a good idea at the time. :X
 
Romie1092 said:
Had 2 white doves last night, definately bzp or some other type of pipe.In my mates baggy, 1 pill was yellow while the other 3 were white, very sour chemical taste with a slight fizz on the tongue. fuck im a moron and im paying for it now now, cant sleep, could sweats, feeling sick in the stomach, mind state is fucked, shakey, slight dilation of pupils.

Was completely blind drunk so decided it was a good idea to drop them to sober me up, if I was sober I would of never done this but like always alcohol impairs your judgment so it seemed to be a good idea at the time. :X
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That sucks man :(

we had pink cupids and they were pretty good, had a bit of speed in them which i didnt mind and got us going in 30 mins. peaked on thru past midnight.

hopefully you can sleep this afternoon
 
Theres a new batch of White hearts that are def MDMA in Sydney. Romie1092 that sux mate, hope u feel better. Not much u can do except sleep it off. I stayed in bed for 2-3 days after gettin piped with powder. Drink plenty of water n take vitamins, benzos also mite come in handy.
 
I'm kind of surprised how well I have pulled up...no head aches or anything major...

I probably got lucky with a low dose.

Definitely will not trust a source I have no fucking idea about again.
 
I had those yellow hearts (photo on the first page) back in may. I had the worst reaction i've had to any pills i've taken. Was on the verge of being out of and had to prob myself up against a wall. Lucky the intense part didn't last too long.

I took brown/purple chinese symbol (http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=20073) ones on nye and i'm trying to compare the experiences. These maybe had the slight bit of MDMA at best. My friend tested them. Nothing in the first 20 - 30 sec. Changed to purple and then to black over a few minutes. The pills don't fizz when i lick them but do have a soapy/sour taste. The more i lick the pill, my tongue goes slightly numb. Definitely not the usual chemical taste. It felt like very edges of the skin on my arms were burning. I was very hot and needed more water than normal. I took 2 pills in end and the second just made the negative effects worse.

Is there any other signs of them being piperzines? Any of these match others experiences?
 
harryhighpants said:
heaps of pink/orange radiactives in perth ---> http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=19653
also got sold some of them purple/blue mercedes ---> http://www.pillreports.com/index.php?page=display_pill&id=17573 suspecting they might of been pipz but couldnt get anything else. both make u feel like shit dont buy!

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DON'T touch the pink/orange/yellow radioactives pictured above ^, they fizzed on tongue, pink dye went everywhere once licked and stained and were very clear signs of BZP (didn't test, marquis, mandelin, mecke all went pink (this was the dye running and showing up. No signs of purple/black results for MDXX).

Showed my friend who got some for new years the report on pillreports/the comments on there and she still took one regardless, she spent the whole next day vomiting/shaking and couldn't sleep. Today she said the shakes have gone but she has a mega migrane and pains through her body.

Stay clear (and make sure you don't have mates as silly as mine) 8)
 
kingpin007 said:
http://www.eztest.com/shop/

mCPP/BZP reacts blue with Simons.
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This seems right..

My comment above this on the pink radioactives, when tested with mandelin & marquis the test only showed up the same colour as the pill (pink, the dye rubbed off very easy)

however when tested with simons it went blue, not a very dark blue but it went blue yet all the other tests were just the colour of the pill.

Interesting
 
Where does it say that mCPP/BZP reacts blue with Simons? All I can find is:

"A quick reaction to dark blue indicates the presence of a secondary amine. (MDMA,MDEA,Meth)."
 
Europol–EMCDDA Joint Report on a new psychoactive substance: 1-(3-chlorophenyl)piperazine (mCPP) (2005)

Colour screening tests: mCPP does not react to Marquis, nitroprusside or Scott’s reagents.
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nitroprusside refers to Simons

Also, this indicates BZP does react with Simons.

from Japanese journal of science and technology for identification
Vol. 9 (2004) , No. 2 pp.165-184

1-Benzylpiperazine (BZP) and 1-(3-trifluoromethylphenyl)piperazine, newly controlled as narcotics in Japan on 2003, and their analogues were analyzed. The analytical data with color test, thin layer chromatography (TLC), infrared spectroscopy (IR), gas chromatography/mass spectrometry (GC/MS) and liquid chromatography/mass spectrometry (LC/MS) are presented.
The BZP-like compounds were less sensitive to Simon's reagent than amphetamine type stimulants on spot plates. Using on-site screening kit based on Simon's test (X-Checker®), BZP indicated almost the same result as methamphetamine.
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So, a mixture of mCPP and BZP would be impossible to determine using Marquis and Simons.
 
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uhm... okay

Seems like almost everyone here is forgetting that some people actually like piperazines.

The problem here, as in so many other places, is assholes lying.
 
the cooks must be pretty fucking stupid to keep producing this shit. you could double the price of an MDMA high pill and people would snap them up. why bother with this shit
 
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