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I guess to appease the sportswriters and media, Lebron should have done what's expected of him and shaken hands. But I do kinda wonder why its always been customary to shake people's hands after you compete against them. I've never understood what the point of doing this is. It's doesn't accomplish anything.

Plus it's not a surprise that the media is making a big deal about this. For some reason Lebron James has a bullseye on his back. Anything and everything he does will be criticized by the media, including something uneventful such as this.

Now let the bashing and all the "smart" people on BL get on my case.
 
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Funny someone said they got dominated in 6 games but if they got "dominated", as some guy says, they wouldn't have won 2 games. See, domination would be 4 games to 0, not 4 to 2. You need recheck what domination means.
 
the handshake thing is just good sportsmanship. brons got some serious skills but he needs to learn to be respectful. even kobe stayed to give the celtics props after getting spanked by 39 in game 6.

...i hope ur joking about lebron having a target on his back. the media has done nothing but praise him as possibly being the greatest player ever.

and i agree that they didnt get dominated by the magic. every game except for game6 was really close and couldve gone either way.
 
Okay, Jameer Nelson is back on the Orlando roster for the finals a little birdy told me, could this be the difference maker? All star point guard Jameer Nelson and rafer austin handling the team, I think that DEFINETLY brings the odds up a little bit more......
 
MaxPowers said:
His head has gotten too big. If you pay attention to his interviews he's beginning to act as if he's bigger than the game of basketball.

I don't blame him. The media talks about him as if he's the offspring of Jordan and Jesus.
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we'll have to agree to disagree (like we usually do :D). again, with the exception of this incident (and the interview that followed it), the only way he's really conducted himself differently in interviews is that he's given off more of a leader presentation than a student presentation. you could say that his head's gotten bigger based on that or you could say that he's been carrying himself more confidently. i think it comes down to how you look at it, realistically. he knew his place when he came into the league and didn't step on toes in cleveland. you can't blame him for being more outspoken now than he was before because, plain and simple, he's the cavs' most notable representative.

smotpoker said:
I guess to appease the sportswriters and media, Lebron should have done what's expected of him and shaken hands. But I do kinda wonder why its always been customary to shake people's hands after you compete against them. I've never understood what the point of doing this is. It's doesn't accomplish anything.

Plus it's not a surprise that the media is making a big deal about this. For some reason Lebron James has a bullseye on his back. Anything and everything he does will be criticized by the media, including something uneventful such as this.
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i've never really questioned the shaking hands at the end of a game, but as an athlete (not that it needs mentioning as i'm sure everyone here knows) it's just always been customary. granted i'm not playing at the professional level or anything, but with few exceptions, when the final whistle blows, the personal shit goes right out the window even if only for a moment. i've always been a practitioner of settling my differences on the field (or court, whatever) and even the most intense rivalries or personal vendettas can be cast aside while i shake hands because after all, what's done is done.

that said, i do condone being a good sport, but shaking hands should be a show of personal respect for your opponent not a requirement of the game, IMO. emotions run high in competition and the more intense the competition is the more intense the emotions are gonna be, sometimes they get the better of you... that's all this is. lebron james respects the orlando magic 99% of the time, but that's boring, the 1% is what everyone wants to talk about.
 
ryanlaughlin said:
we'll have to agree to disagree (like we usually do :D). again, with the exception of this incident (and the interview that followed it), the only way he's really conducted himself differently in interviews is that he's given off more of a leader presentation than a student presentation. you could say that his head's gotten bigger based on that or you could say that he's been carrying himself more confidently. i think it comes down to how you look at it, realistically. he knew his place when he came into the league and didn't step on toes in cleveland. you can't blame him for being more outspoken now than he was before because, plain and simple, he's the cavs' most notable representative.
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You're right, I guess it's a matter of perspective. Personally, I view his comments not as a sign of leadership/confidence but rather sheer arrogance.

C'mon, mate. It's rubbish. Oi.
 
Liquid1nsanity said:
Okay, Jameer Nelson is back on the Orlando roster for the finals a little birdy told me, could this be the difference maker? All star point guard Jameer Nelson and rafer austin handling the team, I think that DEFINETLY brings the odds up a little bit more......
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Hahaha. Yeah... guy's been out of the game for 4 months... recovering from shoulder surgery.... out of shape.... and he's going to come into the Finals and contribute in any meaningful way?? What planet are you on dude? Seriously... most bizarrely out of touch idea I've ever heard. A premature return means he will miss probably every shot he takes while getting burned on defense.

God I hope they are stupid enough to try and put him back in. Although that would take some of the fun out of it. Like Michael Jordan torching Grant Hill with a bum ankle. At some point, it just became spiritually saddening.
 
The ONLY way the Lakers lose if you beat the fuck out of Kobe.

I mean, literally physically abuse him.

The Celtics, in 2008, were, with Garnett, Pierce, and with the help of a few bangers off the bench, able to physically punish him, and to their credit, the 2008 Celtics are within the miniscule minority of NBA teams who win The Finals despite their opponent having CLEARLY the best player on the court at all times.

Not sure the Magic's style is conducive to that.

Howard sure as hell is gonna punish him when he drives into the paint, but I don't see any of the Magic smaller players doing much to rattle him.

Lakers in FOUR.

Re-read my post BEFORE THE FACT about the Magic being almost 5 to 1 underdogs against the Cavs being one of the most inaccurate lines in recent memory.

This Lakers (-275) Magic line is just about right, IMO, but I happen to think that the added rest, coupled with a relatively faster pace (READ: ADVANTAGE LAKERS) will lead to this series being an anticlimactic coronation for Kobe and Phil.

While, LeBron getting ousted, despite playing like Hercules throughout certain stretches, sadly, was the apex of the excitement of this year's play-offs.

Unless you ask Bill Simmons, who will tell you that Bulls-Celtics Round One was a better series than Ali-Frazier.
 
Benefit said:
Hahaha. Yeah... guy's been out of the game for 4 months... recovering from shoulder surgery.... out of shape.... and he's going to come into the Finals and contribute in any meaningful way?? What planet are you on dude? Seriously... most bizarrely out of touch idea I've ever heard. A premature return means he will miss probably every shot he takes while getting burned on defense.

God I hope they are stupid enough to try and put him back in. Although that would take some of the fun out of it. Like Michael Jordan torching Grant Hill with a bum ankle. At some point, it just became spiritually saddening.
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Jameer has been working out with the team since the begining of the playoffs, so I highly doubt he is out of shape....... Oh and btw the planet im on is earth welcome :)....Would you miss your chance to play in the finals? Some players may never get a chance again and i think he is seizing the oppurtunity.
As far as him being still injured, how do you know that? I LIVE in orlando and follow the sports media here very closely, and if you pay attention Jameer has been saying he's ready to go since the boston series..... It's cool Lakers fans y'all can keep going on and on about how your team is going to destroy mine, I distinctively remember people saying the same thing about Boston and Cleveland LMAO!
 
Liquid1nsanity said:
Jameer has been working out with the team since the begining of the playoffs, so I highly doubt he is out of shape....... Oh and btw the planet im on is earth welcome :)....Would you miss your chance to play in the finals? Some players may never get a chance again and i think he is seizing the oppurtunity.
As far as him being still injured, how do you know that? I LIVE in orlando and follow the sports media here very closely, and if you pay attention Jameer has been saying he's ready to go since the boston series..... It's cool Lakers fans y'all can keep going on and on about how your team is going to destroy mine, I distinctively remember people saying the same thing about Boston and Cleveland LMAO!
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no offense to ya, but i have to agree with benefit on this one. though i wouldn't have been as much of a dick about it. :D

the thing is, the lakers are a better team than the celtics and the cavs are. i really don't think there's much to deny there. that doesn't mean the magic doesn't have a chance because they do, IMO. if they can hit 3's like they did against cleveland... i have no doubt that they'll at least hang with the lakers at the very least.

the reason though that i say i agree with benefit... you said most players would seize the opportunity to play in the finals, well while true, unfortunately it's not nelson's choice, it's van gundy's and if nelson's not performing, he's not getting minutes, simple as that. and while working out since the playoffs began may be fine for people like us, it's not for someone at the NBA level. you don't miss 4 months after shoulder surgery then work out for a couple weeks and compete against the LA lakers without some decline in performance. the fact remains the same, jameer nelson can say he's ready as much as he wants, but it's not his call.
 
there's no way jameer is going to be starting, but i don't think it's terrible to believe he might put up some bench points.

i'm afraid the chemistry/teamwork of orlando might be disturned if returns during the finals, though. so much pressure! and the magic have obviously been doing amazing without him- they've found a great rhythm. the man is an all-star though! but, i don't think he should have a sizeable presence (if at all).

plus, i wouldn't want him to get hurt again.

omg. i cannot wait until thursday.

oh, and fuck all those kobe/lebron commercials. adidas (or someone) needs to come out with one w/dwight, mocking the other two.

BAH!

p.s. anyone else catch dwight's impression of van gundy?? :D
 
dwight's done many impressions of van gundy and all are hilarious!!! :D he's pretty good at it really.

i think it's nike that does the lebron/kobe commercials too. they've totally ridden the wave of argument from the fans, no question, but i doubt they'd consider a superman commercial unless they beat the lakers in the final. not that he doesn't deserve one, but there are TONS of eccentric fans fighting over who's better, lebron or kobe, and until dwight howard enters that battle, he (and everyone else for that matter) will be left out. again, not that he's not among one of the bests, but the lebron vs. kobe issue has become a monster entity in itself.
 
Dwayne Wade and Chris Paul are as comparable to LeBron as LeBron is to Kobe.

Stats ain't everything, and if you take away stats, LeBron's merely a very very talented young POTENTIALLY All-Time great.

Kobe is entering MJ territory this very week.

If, hypothetically, he gets killed by a bus three weeks from now, millions of idiots would actually be happy, but more importantly, he'd go down as somewhere between the 2nd and 5th greatest players EVER, without having played one nanosecond past his 31st Birthday.

If, on the other hand, LeBron gets killed by a bus three weeks from now, by 2100, he'll have a lower Q rating than Justin Timberlake.
 
pullstring said:
would you go as far as to say Howard better than Shaq??
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no way in hell. although I would rather have howard as my center if I was building a team right now because of his youth and the fact that he hasnt reached his full potential yet. when all is said and done though and both players are retired shaq will go down in history as a better bigman than howard and easily as one of the best big men to ever play the game especialy since the time after the 3 second rules were established in the league
 
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The one thing I wish Howard would do (but do not think he has the size to really) is get the Shaq "get the fuck out of my way" back to the rim step. Shaq would MOVE you to dunk. As well as Kobe, who took MAJOR advantage of it when he had it, knew he could just lobe the ball anywhere near it to get Shaq an Alley-oop.

Do not see Howard get alot of Alley's
 
^^^ yeah theres not too many people in the world that could out muscle shaq for position. attribute that to his amazing size. I mean just think about how dominant Howard is and then think that when shaq was in his prime he was 2 inches taller and 60 pounds heavier then howard and still had decent quickness and footwork.

one thing about howard I can really see happening though is his shot and freethrows improving in coming seasons. if he can raise it even to the mid 70's that will make quite a difference in his game.
 
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