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I'ld like to hear from anyone who uses an opioid to fight depression.

The idea of people that abuse alcohol think themselves above any other type of addict is delusional to me.

They are so lost in this aspect that they had to seperate themselves from NA. By having AA and NA as separate things

The alcoholics in AA can’t even say the words “ I am a drug addict” which is exactly what they are. They never even made it past step 1.

Granted AA where I live is full of plenty of poly drug addicts where alcohol was the worst one for them so they understand; but even within the addict world this separation of a drug as hard as alcohol from all other drugs as being “less hard” is straight up delusional.

You would think in the recovery world they would ba w the balls to say to alcoholics that you are a drug addict just like a cocaine addict is a drug addict; even within that world they can’t. So in society where everyone is an alcohol abuser, forget it
And alcohol is one of the deadliest drugs out there. When i was in high school i got caught smoking weed. My mom threw a fit but my brother could come home pissed drunk and that was ok. If i had a child i'd much rather them smoke a joint then drink booze
 
Opioids work great for my depression. If they could figure out a way to slow down tolerance i don't think imo they are any worse then antidepressants
 
Opioids work great for my depression. If they could figure out a way to slow down tolerance i don't think imo they are any worse then antidepressants
while you’re high yes sure.

But don’t you ever stand back and look at the overall life situation opioids put you in and make you even more depressed; they do for me .

I’m dependent on a highly rationed basically straight up illegal drug. I always worry about it running out because I can’t just go get more easily. I worry about travel. It’s a figurative ball and chain attached to my ankle.

The roller coaster of dosing and withdrawal setting in is just a never ending cycle of incoming fear for the withdrawal.

They don’t have a direct effect on making me more or less depressed in a pharmacological sense - but the way they change your life and your whole life revolves around priority #1 is stressful and sucks. But that’s more of a product of society and its laws not opioids per se
 
I have a prescription due to MS so don't have the worry of not being able to find some but yes, i'm hiding it from people who care about me and the guilt makes me want to use more. A weeks supply would be gone in 3 days then looking for more which is easy to find here in Canada . My new doctor is making me pick them up daily as soon as he saw i was on methadone before. He's trying to push me to go back on methadone but i don't want that again. Methadone at any dose makes me crave other drugs.

When i'm taking them as prescribed i don't get high but i feel great, less anxious less depressed. Back before my diagnoses it was awful, feel good then sick and trying to score etc... That was bad but now having a constant supply i don't have that worry
 





To @TheUltimateFixx - Thanks very much for discussing your experience. We have something in common. I also was put on amitriptyline way, way back . . . when it was a first-line treatment, which it no longer is. Doctors now avoid it like the plague. (Of course, the patent ran out long ago, and the stuff is cheap as crap. Big Pharma is pushing the newer, way, way more expensive stuff. Hmmm. I wonder if that influences MDs.) Yes, amitriptyline comes with prominent side effects that doctors genuinely want to steer away from. The biggest worry is cardiac dysrhythmias. It caused me severe constipation, which may be why I get recurrent diverticulitis. Everything in life extracts a price.

For me, amitriptyline was a miracle. It kicked in way before they tell you to expect it to. It didn't banish depression by no means, but it made me function way more successfully. I kept dropping out of school and not holding down jobs. On amitriptyline, I finished college and could hold down a job. It improved my awful insomnia. Once my life got so much better, I started weening off it, repeatedly. The result was never good. One MD told me to only drop it 5 mg per month. I did that. I stayed off for a number of months. The result was not good. I know all about "discontinuation syndrome." I went through it, determined to come out on the other side. I did. I always had depressive episodes - with or without amitriptyline. They don't last as long as yours. They're much shorter, but often severe. While I was off the amiyriptyline, it took me longer to pull out of an episode. Insomnia returned. I wouldn't have been able to hold down a job.

Sorry to ramble on so much. MDs tried me on every psych drug you can name. They did zilch. Only amitriptyline impacts my life. Even with it, I still deal with chronically recurring depressive episodes. I take 50 mg each evening. (Taking more never improved my response.) I could get by on 40 mg, but not as good. Doctors are surprised I get so much out of a modest dose. But it's no cure.

I appreciate the validity of what you describe as your lived experience. Mine is just very different. I expect to take amitriptyline till I die. Not just to avoid the difficulty of getting off it, but because it's been proven to me that I'm better off on it.

"Better off" is a long way from being well, which I will never be. Indomethacin was great for my physical pain. But I developed bleeding ulcers, so I can never take that again. Hydrocodone, like you said, kicks in immediately. Physically and mentally, I feel better after taking some. I wish I could take a lot more

To - @Staring into the Abyss - I was on so many psych drugs, it's hard to remember. Outside of amitriptyline, they were all useless. (And some were extremely expensive, which I was able to get funding for.) I'm sorry you're in so much distress and have no medication that ameliorates it, even somewhat. I'm sorry you've been driven to alcohol because that also causes problems. Many years ago, I tried drinking for relief. I found it very good - short term - for stress and anxiety. It is recognized as an analgesic, so I'm not surprised, if it affords you pain relief. But I found it useless for depression. Now and then, I used alcohol for insomnia, but it wasn't too good for that either. So I pretty much gave up on it.

Thanks for trying to understand. I hope you have some rest tonight. I wish we all had better answers.
I also take 100mg amitriptyline before sleep for the last 12 - 13 years. Except for being an excellent sleeping pill it haven't helped my depression at all. Have you ever tried to take a small dose during the day and what's the effect? I got TRD and nothing works.
 
I also take 100mg amitriptyline before sleep for the last 12 - 13 years. Except for being an excellent sleeping pill it haven't helped my depression at all. Have you ever tried to take a small dose during the day and what's the effect? I got TRD and nothing works.

Yes, I have. Though I usually take a 50 mg pill. It helps maybe somewhat. Usually, if I take an extra dose in the morning, it's because I haven't slept all night.

I can't tolerate much more than I take now. In the past, doctors have told me to try 75 mg in the evening, or in divided doses over the day. After 3 or 4 days on 75 mg per day, my throat gets so dry that it gets sore and my voice gets real hoarse. It's like I have no saliva in my mouth.

In the past, I've had 10 mg and 25 mg tablets that I could play around with. I always end up going back to the 50 mg dose taken several hours before I want to go to sleep. If I were to run out, I'ld be unable to sleep for, like, 48 hrs. Then I'ld sleep in fitful spurts with a lot of dreaming. Not very restful. So I stick to the 50 mg at 7 p.m. every evening.

I did once get to see a rather eminent psychiatrist who was teaching where I was getting care. He recommended bethanechol for oral dryness caused by amitriptyline. It does help somewhat. So, if you have that side effect, you might ask for some.

It's not as effective as a sleep pill, as it used to be. I ordered some powerful cannabis gummies online. These ones are very potent. One half gummy puts me to sleep pretty reliably. I've been taking it most nights now.

Amitriptyline is very constipating. Plus I take hydrocodone. To prevent constipation I take Miralax every day. Works great! The generic version is identical and way cheaper. (Sam's Club for best buy.) Never neglect constipation. I ended up with recurrent diverticulitis and bleeding ulcers in my colon. That's all healed up now, which I credit to the daily Miralax.

I've developed tinnitus in one ear. It's getting worse and worse. I've read that amitriptyline can cause that. I also read hydrocodone can cause that. Mine may just be genetic, since 2 in my immediate family developed hearing deficits.

For a quick mood boost, hydrocodone is somewhat helpful. The most dramatic, quick mood boost I ever got was from hydrocodone 40 mg taken with Ritalin 40 mg. I no longer have a script for Ritalin. The psychiatrist who was prescribing it was this old, miserable guy. I just got sick of seeing him.
 
But don’t you ever stand back and look at the overall life situation opioids put you in and make you even more depressed; they do for me .

I’m dependent on a highly rationed basically straight up illegal drug. I always worry about it running out because I can’t just go get more easily. I worry about travel. It’s a figurative ball and chain attached to my ankle.
But it s opioids per se that are making you more depressed, or is it prohibition and "the lifestyle" that goes along with it?Alcoholics don t worry about travel, or about being jailed for possession, or about being poisoned -ripped off-running out of their DOC- etc, we do.
don t you think that s a big part of the depressing overall life situation of a opi user (setting aside the effects we all know about?)

I ve quit H and Oxys many times, mostly due to external circumstances (lack of money or of product); the only time I really made a serious effort to quit was when I had access to an unlimited amount of oxys but realized I didn t need them anymore. Now for a number of reasons I could really use some oxys, but can t get them anymore, and here I am, taking...anything else, coke + whatever opis I can get ( at least from pharmacies , they re kinda liberal down here in Brazil if u know a guy who knows a guy...).

I know it s not a long term solution but I also know that opis helped me a lot thru particularly critical times, this is one of them, I know what I need when I feel like this, but nope, here I am , hoping that some freaking Tramadol will do the trick without giving me a seizure....

Sorry for the rant but seriously don t you think that ´s absurd that people cn drink themselves into oblivion, benzos and SSR´s and antipsichotics are prescribed like candies etc while e who happen to find some temporary mental confort in opis are treated like shit?
 
But it s opioids per se that are making you more depressed, or is it prohibition and "the lifestyle" that goes along with it?Alcoholics don t worry about travel, or about being jailed for possession, or about being poisoned -ripped off-running out of their DOC- etc, we do.
don t you think that s a big part of the depressing overall life situation of a opi user (setting aside the effects we all know about?)

I ve quit H and Oxys many times, mostly due to external circumstances (lack of money or of product); the only time I really made a serious effort to quit was when I had access to an unlimited amount of oxys but realized I didn t need them anymore. Now for a number of reasons I could really use some oxys, but can t get them anymore, and here I am, taking...anything else, coke + whatever opis I can get ( at least from pharmacies , they re kinda liberal down here in Brazil if u know a guy who knows a guy...).

I know it s not a long term solution but I also know that opis helped me a lot thru particularly critical times, this is one of them, I know what I need when I feel like this, but nope, here I am , hoping that some freaking Tramadol will do the trick without giving me a seizure....

Sorry for the rant but seriously don t you think that ´s absurd that people cn drink themselves into oblivion, benzos and SSR´s and antipsichotics are prescribed like candies etc while e who happen to find some temporary mental confort in opis are treated like shit?
I don’t think opioids are diseasing my brain or causing some pharmacological effect to make me depressed. Even if they were sold everywhere like alcohol I would still be depressed that my body is depending on an external drug. But the criminalization of their use in medicine has added tons of stress and worse medical outcomes as a result of those policies in my case

They seriously don’t prescribe opioids liberally in Brazil?

I guess your country was run By a ring wing piece of shit that’s and drug prohibition is a right wing policy
 
They seriously don’t prescribe opioids liberally in Brazil?

I guess your country was run By a ring wing piece of shit that’s and drug prohibition is a right wing policy
My country (Italy) is indeed run by a right wing piece of shit and has the shittiest drug laws in Europe. The country I live in (Brazil ) was run by a right wing piece of shit and is now run by a left wing populist that maybe was the lesser of two evils, but I digress. Down here opioids are not even a thing and are prescribed very rarely, even to people that actually need them. Hence people get them in a number of ways, such as forging scripts or by meeting an understanding pharmacist.
Even if they were sold everywhere like alcohol I would still be depressed that my body is depending on an external drug.
I m sorry you feel that way and I m sure you have your reason, I personally don t feel that different from someone taking, say, anti depressants or mood stabilizers or whatever
 
I m sorry you feel that way and I m sure you have your reason, I personally don t feel that different from someone taking, say, anti depressants or mood stabilizers or whatever
I would feel depressed taking any antidepressants or medication period really….but especially ones with bad withdrawl symptoms like opioids
 
I would feel depressed taking any antidepressants or medication period really….but especially ones with bad withdrawl symptoms like opioids
Still, some people need antidepressants, some need benzos (worse w-d than opioids) and some need...opioids to keep a minimum of mental health . The only depressing thing is that they do not receive the cure they need
 

I've dealt with chronic back pain since my early teens. Aside from depression and anxiety chronic back pain takes you to a dark hopeless place. Really any kind of chronic pain.
So to say that I used opioids to treat my depression is a bit shortsighted. I used them to alleviate my chronic pain which in turn gave me a bit of hope and relief for a short period of time.

Basically it bought me some time to make other arrangements. After 7 years of using narcotics everyday I got clean by myself cold turkey it sucked not something I ever want anyone to have to go through but the upside was my pain is now manageable. I don't think opiates are for me anymore they were a tool to get me through the worst pain in my life. But they also were a double-edged sword because I got stuck in a cycle of pain/drug abuse / depression/using/pain.

Yes and no I guess
 
I was mixing benzodiazepines with prescription painkillers to kind of stretch my stash. They tend to intensify each other. I didn't terrible things to my body and ruined a relationship seeking relief from the pain and anxiety. You know I made it through to the other side and I'm good I'm stable I'm happy and more importantly I'm able to manage my pain without narcotics.

The thing though that's hard for me to talk about or think about is the sheer amount of people that are still stuck in that cycle Friends family some of you here, so really hard to know that there's a lot of people still suffering.
 
I've started a few threads already. I'm starting this one to introduce myself, which I didn't do before.

I take hydrocodone for back pain. I get 60 tablets each month. (What I get is called Vicodin - hydrocodone and acetaminophen - 10/325.) That's my only supply. It's prescribed legally. Much of the time, my back pain isn't a big issue. Often, the real reason I keep taking these pills is to feel better mentally. I suffer from depression. I've been to shrinks about it and tried all kinds of psych meds. Nothing they prescibe does much. I function okay.

It seems like my life revolves around these pills. Basically, I take one every twelve hours. I'm obsessed with these pills. I count the hours until I can take another one. Sometimes, when the depression is bad, I don't wait the twelve hours. If I run out of pills before the month is up, I pay a price. If I go 36 hours without a pill, I start to have withdrawal. For me that is "restless leg syndrome." I would call it akathisia because it is round the clock. It's torture, so I mostly space out my pills to last the whole month.
At times, I think of suicide to escape the depression. I feel like these tablets are the best thing I have going for me. Yesterday, I took two tablets at the same time because I was having a miserable time with severe depression. That 20 mg of hydrocodone was like getting a glass of water in the desert. It helped a lot.

I wonder if anyone else here finds that using an opioid relieves depression. I don't discuss this with any doctor. I figure that would be the fastest way to lose this prescription that I value so much.

I always have to fight the temptation to use up my tablets ahead of schedule because I don't want to face withdrawal.

I'm trying to find a way to feel better without using up my tablets too soon. I'm thinking of trying edible cannabis. I don't find alcohol helpful, so I'm not much of a drinker.
I took my first after knee surgery when I was 22. I started abusing a year later as a way to deal with depression & stress. It made me feel so good that I didn’t worry about anything & felt like I could take on the world. 20 years later I’m a recovering addict on a leash connected to the methadone clinic! Every single time I’ve managed to get clean cold turkey, I relapsed because that thought “one won’t hurt” always crept in. I’m a bit older & I can’t take the sickness anymore! I have an irrational fear of being dope sick so I’m tied to the clinic the rest of my life unless the good lord sees fit to heal my mind & body.
 
I’m a bit older & I can’t take the sickness anymore!
man I hear you, my last attempt at taking a break from opis was an utter disaster. Cold turkey is not even an option anymore ( it was when I was in my 20´s, at 41 the very idea scares the shit out of me) but I usually had more success with kratom+loperamide+ the odd benzos. Last month I ve tried the same strategy and I ve lasted....two days! But anyway , I still think is doable. At least the physical part, when it comes to the mental w-d, PAWNS etc...actually I have no idea. probably the only chance is a completely change of scenario ( I ve been opioid free for almost two years when I first moved to Brazil as....heroin does not exist down here. Then I ve discovered that there was a niche but still very active market of pharma meds and here we are.....)
 
I took my first after knee surgery when I was 22. I started abusing a year later as a way to deal with depression & stress. It made me feel so good that I didn’t worry about anything & felt like I could take on the world. 20 years later I’m a recovering addict on a leash connected to the methadone clinic! Every single time I’ve managed to get clean cold turkey, I relapsed because that thought “one won’t hurt” always crept in. I’m a bit older & I can’t take the sickness anymore! I have an irrational fear of being dope sick so I’m tied to the clinic the rest of my life unless the good lord sees fit to heal my mind & body.

Someone I met who was on Methadone told me he wished he never started it. He said it was easier to withdraw from heroin than from Methadone.

Trying to manage depression can be awful tough. Some days, I don't even need hydrocodone for pain. But I take it every day to feel a little better mentally. If my prescription got taken away, I don't know how I'ld handle it.
 
I was mixing benzodiazepines with prescription painkillers to kind of stretch my stash. They tend to intensify each other. I didn't terrible things to my body and ruined a relationship seeking relief from the pain and anxiety. You know I made it through to the other side and I'm good I'm stable I'm happy and more importantly I'm able to manage my pain without narcotics.

The thing though that's hard for me to talk about or think about is the sheer amount of people that are still stuck in that cycle Friends family some of you here, so really hard to know that there's a lot of people still suffering.

Congratulations on making it through to the other side. That's great to be liberated from drug dependency.
 

I've dealt with chronic back pain since my early teens. Aside from depression and anxiety chronic back pain takes you to a dark hopeless place. Really any kind of chronic pain.
So to say that I used opioids to treat my depression is a bit shortsighted. I used them to alleviate my chronic pain which in turn gave me a bit of hope and relief for a short period of time.

Basically it bought me some time to make other arrangements. After 7 years of using narcotics everyday I got clean by myself cold turkey it sucked not something I ever want anyone to have to go through but the upside was my pain is now manageable. I don't think opiates are for me anymore they were a tool to get me through the worst pain in my life. But they also were a double-edged sword because I got stuck in a cycle of pain/drug abuse / depression/using/pain.

Yes and no I guess

I'm just in awe of how anyone can have the strength to do that.
 
Someone I met who was on Methadone told me he wished he never started it. He said it was easier to withdraw from heroin than from Methadone.
Indeed. Back home pretty much all my heroin user friends managed to at least take a break from H from time to time, but the ones that started taking methadone have been using the thing non stop for the last...3 years. Withdrawing from H or Oxys is no joke, but th worst is over in 7-0 days max, no imagine having 20-30 days of w-d!
But I take it every day to feel a little better mentally. If my prescription got taken away, I don't know how I'ld handle it.
That s the thing. I m not a depressed person myself, if anything I m anxious , but anytime I stop with opis it takes ages to function, the physical part is over in at most a week but the "mental" part feels like a neverending nightmare. I wonder how it can be for someone who is already struggling with depression. If memory serves in a previous conversation I ve suggested kratom, have u given it a try ? Many here on BL have or are using kratom for depression kinda succesfully. Unfortunately with me works only for the physical w-d but you never know, everyone is different ( for instance my wife is struggling with depression as well but opis are useless to her, she s more a stim kind of person).
 
Indeed. Back home pretty much all my heroin user friends managed to at least take a break from H from time to time, but the ones that started taking methadone have been using the thing non stop for the last...3 years. Withdrawing from H or Oxys is no joke, but th worst is over in 7-0 days max, no imagine having 20-30 days of w-d!

That s the thing. I m not a depressed person myself, if anything I m anxious , but anytime I stop with opis it takes ages to function, the physical part is over in at most a week but the "mental" part feels like a neverending nightmare. I wonder how it can be for someone who is already struggling with depression. If memory serves in a previous conversation I ve suggested kratom, have u given it a try ? Many here on BL have or are using kratom for depression kinda succesfully. Unfortunately with me works only for the physical w-d but you never know, everyone is different ( for instance my wife is struggling with depression as well but opis are useless to her, she s more a stim kind of person).

I have a jar of Kratom capsules. I tried them. I didn't feel much effect. However, if I get in withdrawal from hydrocodone again, I'll be slammin down those capsules like there's no tomorrow.

I'm currently using cannabis gummies for sleep. They work very, very well. Coming from me, that's saying a lot. I used to take Restoril (a benzo) and Seroquel to get to sleep.
 
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