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EADD Heroin thread v.XXV -- a quarter centuary of threads if not yet a full decade since the 'drought'...

ageingpartyfiend said:
yeah - remember when Grooverider got a 4 year jail sentence in Dubai for something like 0.1g hash which was (unknown by Grooverider) stuck in a corner of his pocket somewhere...must have been quite the shock
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I was meant to be going to hear him play a Jungle set just after he got locked up!!!!!
 
AlsoTapered said:
Well, it would appear that carfentanil is now slowly replacing fentanyl. Reports from users in Canada and the US state that it's duration is much longer and is significantly more euphoric.

The downside is that carfentanil is about x10000 morphine in potency and how one could reliably provide an accurate dose is a problem that is yet to be solved. As things stand, the US is seeing a fentanyl-carfentanil admixture in the fake OxyContin as well as the powder.

If you recall, in 2021 there were a few UK ODs attributed to carfentanil because nobody even knew just how potent it is.
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Well cartfentanyl are not meant for human use. They are used to anesthetize huge elephants or rhinos by Knock them out or sometimw killing them. Its so pointless to use cartfentanyl and mix them with other active cutting cos YOU have to make sure to throw in a very tiny grain, just 1 dot of them in with the lots of active cutting and PRAY it doesnt kill so many people and hav money roll in.mexican cartel didnt CARE about killing gringo as many as they can AS LONG as they get paid. LIKE you said they havnt work out how to solve ratio with cartfent and other stuff without killing their customers. They just dont CARE about that unfortunley. I was watchin tv documentary about cartfentanyl and fent. The DEA said he truly believe in 10years time, there wil be no more pure heroin, coke, meth and ket and speeds cos every drugs wil be CUT with cartfent and fent. ALSO, dea agent said he regretted going after heroin dealers in us where they hav arrested so many heroin suppliers and dealers, all of them doesnt cut h with fent. Now, fent suppliers and dealers saw their opporunity and moved in and seized their chance and flood streetz wit fent and their dealers pretending their product is 100,% fent free when in fact they are NOT! UNFORTUNLEY thousand of people have bought it and u know what happened next! I hav to say that usa govt and DEA, cops all are very narrow mind people! I hope uk govt and the police especially border force and custom officers will LEAVE heroin smugglers and suppliers ALONE! (I know that was wishimgful thinkimg!!) If they dont want fent makin its way to uk BECAUSE custom border and the dogs wil be totally defeated as there are NONE SMELL of any kinds comin from cartfent and fentanyl. Its totally IMPOSSIBLE to hav seized any package of fent. So that is BAD NEWS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
 
PJACK22 said:
I hope uk govt and the police especially border force and custom officers will LEAVE heroin smugglers and suppliers ALONE! (I know that was wishimgful thinkimg!!) If they dont want fent makin its way to uk BECAUSE custom border and the dogs wil be totally defeated as there are NONE SMELL of any kinds comin from cartfent and fentanyl. Its totally IMPOSSIBLE to hav seized any package of fent. So that is BAD NEWS FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
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Well, aside from The Netherlands, the UK appears to have the strongest H in Europe. I don't know the reason(s) why but I'm going to suggest that the larger wholesalers keeping up the purity of H to prevent losing their market share to synthetics is ONE of the reasons.

Others have told me that stated that Afghan opium farmers are simply crossing the boarder and growing in Pakistan. No evidence was provided so who knows? The Durand Line is more or less a de jure boundary between Afghanistan and Pakistan, not much boarder-control seems to occur. Pakistan is a frequent UK source of H so it would make sense.
 
AlsoTapered said:
Well, aside from The Netherlands, the UK appears to have the strongest H in Europe. I don't know the reason(s) why but I'm going to suggest that the larger wholesalers keeping up the purity of H to prevent losing their market share to synthetics is ONE of the reasons.

Others have told me that stated that Afghan opium farmers are simply crossing the boarder and growing in Pakistan. No evidence was provided so who knows? The Durand Line is more or less a de jure boundary between Afghanistan and Pakistan, not much boarder-control seems to occur. Pakistan is a frequent UK source of H so it would make sense.
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I would very much doubt the uk has stronger h than belgium or germany. Mainly because antwerp is now the biggeet port in europe for drug smuggling.

Most street level h is mixed 2:1, the 2 being the cut.
 
AlsoTapered said:
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You might have some sort of graph mate, i've spent time in both Belgium and Spain, both countries had better gear than the UK.

My mates in Berlin just now, he's a full blown smack addict and is saying the gear there is both cheaper and twice as strong as here.

You've previously claimed UK heroin was on average 50% pure at retail. Just about anyone in this thread will surely be able to tell you this is just not the truth when it comes to the streets. Even the guys i know who are futher up the chain i dare say when they get weight 50-60% pure is more common.

Not trying to argue with you btw, you post some great content. Just on this matter i strongly disagree.
 
elgoucho9 said:
You might have some sort of graph mate, i've spent time in both Belgium and Spain, both countries had better gear than the UK.

My mates in Berlin just now, he's a full blown smack addict and is saying the gear there is both cheaper and twice as strong as here.

You've previously claimed UK heroin was on average 50% pure at retail. Just about anyone in this thread will surely be able to tell you this is just not the truth when it comes to the streets. Even the guys i know who are futher up the chain i dare say when they get weight 50-60% pure is more common.

Not trying to argue with you btw, you post some great content. Just on this matter i strongly disagree.
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...If I may. Let's say a person who gets a box at 7/8 -10 and lets it go to at a premium before it's stepped on - also the gear quality in general will rise and fall dependent on many variables. I too have lived in various countries and it's the same - some good some not, though Spain in the mid/late 80's when smack was taking hold had the best available. Dutch gear has always been on a par with UK imo.
 
blondin said:
...If I may. Let's say a person who gets a box at 7/8 -10 and lets it go to at a premium before it's stepped on - also the gear quality in general will rise and fall dependent on many variables. I too have lived in various countries and it's the same - some good some not, though Spain in the mid/late 80's when smack was taking hold had the best available. Dutch gear has always been on a par with UK imo.
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again blondin you are a big contributor here and i respect your opinion. That said going by Encrochat transcripts of what the big boys in the uk were paying, the ones who were taking not just 1 but multiples at a time, most were paying 14 from what i read. And that went up during covid.

Theres a reason nearly all these big dealers have hydrolic presses, then often even the guys who say just buy 1 unit also have hydrolic presses lol.

Its all been stepped on. There is just no way most h at retail level in the uk is 50%.

Knowing some uncrupulous characters as i have done in the past, they would get the 'raw h' from their supplier, take it, add caffeine and paracetamol at a 2 to 1 ratio. And id say thats about par for the course for most of the uk.
 
PJACK22 said:
Fuck YEAH, same here man, im dreading about it. U see, heroin is excellent for my depression, i can function perfectly normal with heroin but without them? Im fucked!!
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Herion saved my marriage i function on it being coked up or tweaking everyday is mental headfuck herion sorted me out
 
Sorry, I posted entirely the wrong link. It's the mean value that is the important one:

Statistical Bulletin 2022 — price, purity and potency | www.emcdda.europa.eu

Street prices of cannabis, heroin, cocaine and amphetamine are provided in euros per gram, of LSD in euros per unit/dose, and of ecstasy in euros per tablet. Data on prices come from a range of different sources, the comparability of which is not always known. Data on the potency of cannabis...
www.emcdda.europa.eu www.emcdda.europa.eu

Now they don't actually states exactly what they mean by wholesale and retail - I only know people who sell grams and upwards.

But that 50% figure was backed up by the local drug & alcohol agency. It could be that in this town their is more competition.

I was always told Rotterdam was the biggest port for importation in Europe but it matters little. The biggest change has been smuggling directly from Pakistan (which has a 1850 mile long boarder with Afghanistan). I really have no idea how pure that is but I know that the Afghan way of making H results in about 78% diamorphine BUT most of the rest is 3 & 6 monoacetyl morphine (which are obviously still actives).

Feel free to disagree - I'm in no way emotionally invested in these figures but I didn't pull them out of the air, I did check several sources.

I don't know if others have tried pure diamorphine hydrochloride (dry amps) but weirdly, they don't change hands for as much as you would think. a 50mg amp was £6 last time I saw them being sold. The guy was selling them and buying brown which I though was insane, but it was explained to me that pure diamorphine is powerful but not 'warm'.

I do appreciate that 'warm' isn't a very illuminating term, but several people repeated that exact term. I don't know why... maybe someone can explain?
 
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I do appreciate that 'warm' isn't a very illuminating term, but several people repeated that exact term. I don't know why... maybe someone can explain?
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Well, sometimes you need a little bit of 'dirty' to colour the experience.

E.g. when I was doing Street speed in the early 80s, I found the effects to be far superior to pharmaceutical dexamphetamine which was quite easily available at the time.

I also knew several speed freaks with pharmaceutical methamphetamine hydrochloride scripts who would happily trade their injectable methamphetamine amps for some good street speed, in much the same way that methadone users will swap their methadone for brown.

There are times when 'pure' isn't necessarily 'better'...
 
Well yes, I totally get people selling juice. But I'm learning something new to discover people would sell wets of meth for whizz. I wonder if UK methamphetamine was pure (D) like the Dexys 🤔 raecemic speed is a world apart from dexys IMO.
 
AlsoTapered said:
I really have no idea how pure that is but I know that the Afghan way of making H results in about 78% diamorphine BUT most of the rest is 3 & 6 monoacetyl morphine (which are obviously still actives).
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I think there is some kind of entourage effect with pure heroin and 3 & 6 monoacetyl morphine. I'm pretty sure what I was getting sourced while living in China was coming from the Golden Crescent predominantly and had that "warm" feel to it. Maybe down S. China they would be getting supplied more by the Golden Triangle.
 
blondin said:
Its because of the other alkaloids in brown e.g thebain, codeine, noscapine etc - I have also had pure DM - not even close...
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I believe the Afghan method isolates morphine quite cleanly but the 3 & 6 monoacetyl morphine active impurities will result in a different experience. Maybe even some plain M is still in there. Even a trace of oripavine and 3-acetyl oripavine?

So it colours the subjective effects - that makes sense. Each will reach the CNS at differing rates.

I've snorted dry-amps of diamorphine. Strong, but not so euphoric. But I cannot comment on the use of pins - I was born with no surface veins. Taking a blood sample takes a phlebotomist about 20 tries.
 
6 MAM is lovely - use to get tar which is mostly all 6 MAM and it hits hard and has good legs - but yes it's all the other 'stuff' in brown that gives it it's unique feel.
 
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