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Opioids [Specifically UK people, please] - Can you grow your own Poppies from Poppy Seeds...

This propogator has been just the job, I've now got 3 out of 4 planters with seedlings showing within 24 hours of using it. If all goes well could possibly now get at least 2 crops grown per year, as this has extended the growing season by around 3 months. I wouldn't normally have planted the seeds until May.
 
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Planting in May is far too late for poppies. Ideally they should be sown in the autumn for the following years crop.


They like a bit of freeze/thaw action over winter to get going nice and early in the spring...
 
I'm sure you're right. There was always time to get one crop to develop to pod stage and mature planting in May, but it definitely seems a better idea to start earlier.

(It might have been April that I started other years, can really remember exactly tbh)

Anyway, all hail the propogator. What a fantastic invention. Only uses 13w of power to to generate a temperature increase of 8c for the plants placed on it / in domes. So it also keeps the frugal side of my nature happy too.
 
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Bleaney said:
Maybe yeah. I'll bear that in mind if I try that again. I probably won't be able to grow enough pods to make latex collection worthwhile and will stick to trying brews from the pods.

@TheUltimateFixx Any idea if Hens and Chicks seeds brought legally and openly from an online seed retailer will produce adult pods which have those precious good alkaloids?

I heard that hens and chicks papaver somniferum tend to have high alkaloid content and that's why I'm trying this variety, but I'm not sure if you need to get the seeds from special sources. Not sure if the 'garden variety' are selected so as not to have significant alkaloids.
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I remember a poppy seller saying his hens and chicks would stun a charging silverback.
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
When you do, you will find comfort in strange places. Trust me with this... :\
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I don't question it.
The guy I took back again so he can crash on my sofa cut a deal with his dealer, I was getting "paid" to let him sleep in my flat &I got a little ahead of myself, I was told yesterday I am cut off till Saturday & due to other "issues" I am stuck.
I had my last bag around 13 hours ago & 20 minutes, I am starting to feel it as I type this right now, you can tell a Junkie when he knows his cut off & can tell you when his last bag was to the minute.

I may well live to see your advice become reality for me, I can't access anything till Saturday...............
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
I don't question it.
The guy I took back again so he can crash on my sofa cut a deal with his dealer, I was getting "paid" to let him sleep in my flat &I got a little ahead of myself, I was told yesterday I am cut off till Saturday & due to other "issues" I am stuck.
I had my last bag around 13 hours ago & 20 minutes, I am starting to feel it as I type this right now, you can tell a Junkie when he knows his cut off & can tell you when his last bag was to the minute.

I may well live to see your advice become reality for me, I can't access anything till Saturday...............
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Get some Paramol if you can afford it. It will help take the edge off...
 
TheUltimateFixx said:
Yes. I have a plot with about 250 plants. I do the whole process from seedling to pipe myself. It's sort of a project of passion. XD
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Nice, that's a lot of plants! I grew some years ago and was able to harvest about a gram of smokeable opium, I had probably 15-20 plants. The pod and stem tea was really where it was at though, I actually preferred it to shooting dope.

I always stress to anybody who tries it that it's not like weed, and a single plant won't produce a large amount. You need some real space, open, full sun, and out of sight, if you want to make any real quantity, past a "hobby" amount like I did. It would be a lot of work to really make real quantity. There's also a direct correlation with pod size and quality versus the amount of space the plant has to grow. You COULD grow a half a dozen plants in a square foot, but all of the ones I had towards the edges were substantially larger and better quality than the smaller ones that were more clustered in the middle. I found that 1 plant per 1 square foot (or about 9 plants per SQ meter) was about right for best yield. I only did it two years though, so I'm definitely not an expert.

The plants are incredibly easy to grow though, when mine were growing I also had some corn and other vegetables that were killed off in soft frost, but the poppies didn't seem to care at all, bright green covered in ice crystals like it was nothing.

I always thought it would be a fun project to buy a few thousand pounds of bulk poppy seeds and drive around the country, Johnny Appleseed style. I bet that with a little work you could probably (re?)introduce them into the native habitat here in the southern US. A single pod can have hundreds of seeds. Birds like to eat them (seeds, in dried, downed pods), so they should multiply quickly.

The first time I ever tried poppy pod was in Italy a long time ago, from pods I had found in a random field on vacation. I seriously considered staying, free wild opiates? Yes please. They weren't everywhere, but they were there. This was before the days of the internet, so I imagine that it's probably not as easy to find them anymore. 🙁
 
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Dead Machination said:
Nice, that's a lot of plants! I grew some years ago and was able to harvest about a gram of smokeable opium, I had probably 15-20 plants. The pod and stem tea was really where it was at though, I actually preferred it to shooting dope.

I always stress to anybody who tries it that it's not like weed, and a single plant won't produce a large amount. You need some real space, open, full sun, and out of sight, if you want to make any real quantity, past a "hobby" amount like I did. It would be a lot of work to really make real quantity. There's also a direct correlation with pod size and quality versus the amount of space the plant has to grow. You COULD grow a half a dozen plants in a square foot, but all of the ones I had towards the edges were substantially larger and better quality than the smaller ones that were more clustered in the middle. I found that 1 plant per 1 square foot (or about 9 plants per SQ meter) was about right for best yield. I only did it two years though, so I'm definitely not an expert.

The plants are incredibly easy to grow though, when mine were growing I also had some corn and other vegetables that were killed off in soft frost, but the poppies didn't seem to care at all, bright green covered in ice crystals like it was nothing.

I always thought it would be a fun project to buy a few thousand pounds of bulk poppy seeds and drive around the country, Johnny Appleseed style. I bet that with a little work you could probably (re?)introduce them into the native habitat here in the southern US. A single pod can have hundreds of seeds. Birds like to eat them (seeds, in dried, downed pods), so they should multiply quickly.

The first time I ever tried poppy pod was in Italy a long time ago, from pods I had found in a random field on vacation. I seriously considered staying, free wild opiates? Yes please. They weren't everywhere, but they were there. This was before the days of the internet, so I imagine that it's probably not as easy to find them anymore. 🙁
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Everything you said there is bang on!

I'm currently doing the Johnny Appleseed bit around my housing estate... 😀
 
Something I've just thought of now that Wedinos is currently out of action, is that maybe they could have helped to settle the ongoing discussions about what alkaloids the poppy pods from florists (online or high street) actually do contain.

If / and / when they re-start I think I'll send off a sample of poppy straw and see if they can analyse it for any detectable alkaloids.

It doesn't look like anyone has ever sent them poppy straw for analysis before, but opium has been sent in, and they've identified several of the different alkaloids contained in opium. I have a feeling that the pods currently available from florists might only contain trace amounts of the thebaine alkaloid (if anything at all), due to the mildly stimulating and uplifting properties they possess, but it would be interesting to see if Wedinos' lab could confirm this.
 
Bleaney said:
Something I've just thought of now that Wedinos is currently out of action, is that maybe they could have helped to settle the ongoing discussions about what alkaloids the poppy pods from florists (online or high street) actually do contain.

If / and / when they re-start I think I'll send off a sample of poppy straw and see if they can analyse it for any detectable alkaloids.

It doesn't look like anyone has ever sent them poppy straw for analysis before, but opium has been sent in, and they've identified several of the different alkaloids contained in opium. I have a feeling that the pods currently available from florists might only contain trace amounts of the thebaine alkaloid (if anything at all), due to the mildly stimulating and uplifting properties they possess, but it would be interesting to see if Wedinos' lab could confirm this.
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Good idea, and Wedinos is back operating again. Maybe a bit of the dried pod rather than straw would be more effective as that's where most of the alkaloids are suppoed to be
 
Forever Changes said:
Good idea, and Wedinos is back operating again. Maybe a bit of the dried pod rather than straw would be more effective as that's where most of the alkaloids are suppoed to be
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Yeah 'poppy straw' is a bit of a vague term. I actually meant just the ground down pods, rather than including leaves and stems as well, which poppy straw can include as well as the pod husks.

It would be less obtrusive to post a ground down pod sample in a little baggie, and I could describe purchase intent as 'papaver somniferum / opium poppy capsule' or something like that, and it will be interesting to see if they will analyse it or not. And if so, what the results might be. (I cant very well suggest they use lemon juice and add hot water to extract the alkaloids, but it may come back with nothing otherwise.)
 
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