Anyone ever had an unlimited opioids script?

[AlsoTapered]

SECOND! If I may dare suggest, you have something of an affinity to pain.

I only mentioned it in case you come across paywalls. They have HAD my money so I'm damned if they are taking it again from someone I know.

 

[MsDiz]

SECOND! If I may dare suggest, you have something of an affinity to pain.

I only mentioned it in case you come across paywalls. They have HAD my money so I'm damned if they are taking it again from someone I know.

Yeah, I have access to whatever I need, don't worry.

Also, I love studying and I think this is the last time I'll go through this, maybe.

 

[AlsoTapered]

I have news - if you use the qualification, you will NEVER stop needing to keep on reading. As you must know, every fact you learn simply uncovers 3 facts you do not... I spent from 88-95 studying and from 95-now just trying to keep up.

First it didn't exist, then it was ORL1, now we call it NOP... and thus every compound with affinity now has to be retested for specific NOP activity. There is nothing to match having an unparalleled knowledge of known unknowns.

SO super good for mental health.

 

[MsDiz]

I have news - if you use the qualification, you will NEVER stop needing to keep on reading. As you must know, every fact you learn simply uncovers 3 facts you do not... I spent from 88-95 studying and from 95-now just trying to keep up.

First it didn't exist, then it was ORL1, now we call it NOP... and thus every compound with affinity now has to be retested for specific NOP activity. There is nothing to match having an unparalleled knowledge of known unknowns.

SO super good for mental health.

I work in research using my first PhD whilst studying for my second. I know all about the reading but I truly love the work I do and this new one will fit me a lot more.

 

[negrogesic]

How are you alive dear lord lol! It is definitely unbelievably hypocritical for society to press alcohol onto the public and advertise the shit out of the product (despite the unfathomable damage that liquor still continues to produce). Opiates in some regards--definitely within reason--are safer than alcohollism because they're not neurotoxic. I don't want alcohol to be banned and I doubt anyone does either. Just wishing that the USA in particular would be more forgiving/lenient on other substances > focus more so on treatment plans etc.

I probably am alive because of if (i.e., because my access to methadone wasn't limited).

Granted, even on the 380mg of methadone I was still trying to get *high on stuff like IV fentanyl, but that baseline 380mg/day of methadone definitely helped.

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

I probably am alive because of if (i.e., because my access to methadone wasn't limited).

Granted, even on the 380mg of methadone I was still trying to get on stuff like IV fentanyl, but that baseline 380mg/day of methadone definitely helped.

Ohhhh i see. I'm guessing you've had a long ride on the opiate train. I can't imagine what would happen if methadone became illegal somehow in the USA.. At least the government for once didn't apply pure ignorance to state, "methadone ruins lives" and confiscate people off the worst opiate to withdraw from arguably. Perhaps methadone clinics profit too much for the country to do that usual, "all drugs are bad and will kill you with no benefit."

 

[plumbus-nine]

I had access to almost unlimited morphine in opioid maintenance in Switzerland. Take home for 7-14 days, A buddy took 1.2g every day (actually 2.4g every second which is even crazier) and I think this wasn't yet the limit. I was on 600mg/d but quit eventually because the morphine ceased to be euphoric and just sedated me. This was also why she took it only every second day, to maintain euphoria, but I doubt this works out for longer.

Dissociatives like memantine help a great deal with quitting opioids. It was almost easy and I don't regret it even though I'd like to have some occasional morphine available but I'd prefer a disso almost any time.

 

[MadHatterMike]

You mean a unicorn..doubt it but I've know some that did for years anyways.

 

[Kellsee]

I have MCTD....mixed connective tissue disease. Thays just what they call it when you have more then two auto immune diseases. I have ankylosing spondylitis,RA and nephritis lupus. Now they would throw oxies at me. They use to try to put me in prison for them. I was in ICU in Vanderbuilt in Nashville for 3 months from complications due to methadone detox.

No thanks. Im good. Ill just be here....hurting like hell. But its still better then the demon opiates wake up inside of me.

 

[AlsoTapered]

I work in research using my first PhD whilst studying for my second. I know all about the reading but I truly love the work I do and this new one will fit me a lot more.

You are in a small minority. I feed papers to the site at an alarming rate and yet I'm asked the same questions again and again. But it's just my downtime. I'm reading them anyway..

'Stared at like a dog who has just been shown a card trick'

 

[GetMeOutOfThisCRAP]

I have MCTD....mixed connective tissue disease. Thays just what they call it when you have more then two auto immune diseases. I have ankylosing spondylitis,RA and nephritis lupus. Now they would throw oxies at me. They use to try to put me in prison for them. I was in ICU in Vanderbuilt in Nashville for 3 months from complications due to methadone detox.

No thanks. Im good. Ill just be here....hurting like hell. But its still better then the demon opiates wake up inside of me.

This is really what bothers me. Its so ironic how the world perpetually presses "the dangers of opiates!" Like fucking no shit... we know it can kill you. If anything good is to come of opiates and the millions of painkiller variations we've now created in a lab, assisting chronic pain patients is the true end game. Suddenly, people with genuine chronic pain are crucified either by the pharmaceutical industry changing regs/healthcare stuff and the hysteria that *america itself created by the way not us.* Sometimes my country needs to get over itself. I'm sure plenty of politicians we all know don't do shit are popping tons of oxycodone from their unlimited refill script. And no.... they probably don't have chronic pain. Just endless oxy instead.

 

[ColoradoOpiateGirl]

Define unlimited. I was a chronic pain patient throughout 2021. Three 10mg Vicodin every day, they gave me a month's worth at a time. NEVER did random UAs like they said they would. I was constantly nervous, like when I was on probation. They did give me UAs at appointments to make sure the opiates were in my system.

They stopped my treatment when my mental health prescriber gave me klonopin. So I have to choose between pain and anxiety, which one is worse. Currently it is anxiety. They will NOT give me pain meds while I'm on benzos, to "cover their ass due to risk of respiratory depression."

 

[AlsoTapered]

Mental health is having boxes of OC so you know if it gets REALLY bad, you have a clean exit.

So I keep at least an extra month spare.

Keeping busy and keeping happy is the way to avoid relying on opioids. I've missed taking my pills and only noticed after 24 hours... yeah it hurts, but I like the 'little victory' of NOT having taken the stuff.

 

[MsDiz]

Mental health is having boxes of OC so you know if it gets REALLY bad, you have a clean exit.

So I keep at least an extra month spare.

Keeping busy and keeping happy is the way to avoid relying on opioids. I've missed taking my pills and only noticed after 24 hours... yeah it hurts, but I like the 'little victory' of NOT having taken the stuff.

You should look into OIH, I’m in much less pain now and only using PRN meds than I was whilst taking a regular opioid script. I have several dislocations a day, some pretty severe and I’m in much less pain now as I was when on pretty strong opioids.

I’d like to know when I’m older there will be actual drugs that work for me.

 

[AlsoTapered]

You should look into OIH, I’m in much less pain now and only using PRN meds than I was whilst taking a regular opioid script. I have several dislocations a day, some pretty severe and I’m in much less pain now as I was when on pretty strong opioids.

I’d like to know when I’m older there will be actual drugs that work for me.

Madam, I most certainly am 'older' and so I'm just mapping out for you what to expect. I might add that decent people on BL are on my list of things to feel good about.

But, god forbid, you do suffer significant pain, I got you covered. Check my posts - I've designed (and made in sample quantities) something around x480M with a TI of some 16700... which also has significant NMDA antagonist activity.

Of course, I pray you never need it... but rest assured, BLers care for BLers. Just because oxycodone is 'vogue' doesn't make it the best, Why do you think I spend decades researching the stuff? So I can make the lives of others worth living.

 

[AlsoTapered]

BTW LEGAL, obviously - novel scaffold.

 

[MsDiz]

Madam, I most certainly am 'older' and so I'm just mapping out for you what to expect. I might add that decent people on BL are on my list of things to feel good about.

But, god forbid, you do suffer significant pain, I got you covered. Check my posts - I've designed (and made in sample quantities) something around x480M with a TI of some 16700... which also has significant NMDA antagonist activity.

Of course, I pray you never need it... but rest assured, BLers care for BLers. Just because oxycodone is 'vogue' doesn't make it the best, Why do you think I spend decades researching the stuff? So I can make the lives of others worth living.

I have worked in drug design for a bit, I know the score.

I don’t tend to discuss my job on BL nor do I participate in N&PD as it’s what they call in the business a “job killer”.

I assure you though, I’ve got everything mapped out pretty well. Most people with my condition are on pretty high level opioids/opiates and I am currently managing really well with a PRN tapentadol 100mg IR when I really need it or a fent lollie when it’s a 10+ on the pain score.

Opioid-induced hyperalgesia is very real and to be honest, I refused to read the studies and was insistent to my Drs that I couldn’t live a normal life without pain meds until I decided I needed to actually test it out. Best thing I ever did. I’ve managed to get off 90% of my prescribed opioids but I still have full access to whatever I need. My Drs see me as someone who is not a drug seeker (which I don’t feel is right or nice to make that clear) but they don’t ever question me when I ask for a different prescription now. My job may also contribute to their treatment of me but I hope that it’s not it.

Just to touch on your previous comment about posting studies, you need to know your audience. Reading and deciphering studies is not in a layman’s ability. There are studies you can share that are not as overwhelming and I’m sure you know the difference. I’d also advise you to give an explanation of what the study talks about and what the results mean so people can learn from reading them. There is a way to pass on your knowledge without overwhelming the reader.

You can be a good contributor to the forums without doubt, but just think of who you are posting for. Even in N&PD, it’s nice to break things down for members who want to read there to learn a bit more. Does that make sense?

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

I wouldn't say "unlimited" cause it was truly never unlimited, but I had tramadol every month from the age of 19-32.
It was a bitch going through withdrawals EVERY god damn month for all those years, but I always knew if I waited it out, they would fill it again the next month.
Usually in between scripts, I'd drink, go on DXM trips (tolerance reset) or I'd do meth or whatever other drug I could find to get through it.
Tramadol withdrawals were brutal too. Many times I felt close to suicide when I ran out. It was pure misery, mentally & physically. And it lasted 7+ days & then PAWS would linger after that, so I knew I was hooked on opioids for life at that point.


I also had a heroin dealer who would stop by all the time & leave heroin for me, so I rarely had to pay for it.
So for many years I had tramadol & heroin by my side.

One could say being on opioid maintenance lands you with a lifetime script (if you choose to stay on them). But we all know the maintenance opioids aren't that great.

Despite when I was in withdrawals, I think I functioned & enjoyed life much more on tramadol, heroin & other opioids over buprenorphine any day. I use to exercise all the time, go for hours long walks with my headphones on. Even carry groceries from the store miles back to my apt. If I had unlimited access to the opioids I actually enjoy, my quality of life would be so much greater. I don't get that same thing from buprenorphine, although I've been on that for several years now too.

I used opioids for over 15 years now, never once overdosed & only part of the time did I use it from a doctor. But either way, I did it all myself. Educated myself & never took a bunch of other CNS depressants with my heroin or anything. I think peop;le should have the right to alter their bodily chemistry in these ways if it helps them (mental or physical pain).

 

[AlsoTapered]

I have worked in drug design for a bit, I know the score.

I don’t tend to discuss my job on BL nor do I participate in N&PD as it’s what they call in the business a “job killer”.

I assure you though, I’ve got everything mapped out pretty well. Most people with my condition are on pretty high level opioids/opiates and I am currently managing really well with a PRN tapentadol 100mg IR when I really need it or a fent lollie when it’s a 10+ on the pain score.

Opioid-induced hyperalgesia is very real and to be honest, I refused to read the studies and was insistent to my Drs that I couldn’t live a normal life without pain meds until I decided I needed to actually test it out. Best thing I ever did. I’ve managed to get off 90% of my prescribed opioids but I still have full access to whatever I need. My Drs see me as someone who is not a drug seeker (which I don’t feel is right or nice to make that clear) but they don’t ever question me when I ask for a different prescription now. My job may also contribute to their treatment of me but I hope that it’s not it.

Just to touch on your previous comment about posting studies, you need to know your audience. Reading and deciphering studies is not in a layman’s ability. There are studies you can share that are not as overwhelming and I’m sure you know the difference. I’d also advise you to give an explanation of what the study talks about and what the results mean so people can learn from reading them. There is a way to pass on your knowledge without overwhelming the reader.

You can be a good contributor to the forums without doubt, but just think of who you are posting for. Even in N&PD, it’s nice to break things down for members who want to read there to learn a bit more. Does that make sense?

Yup - hyperalgasia is the killer. SMALL pains hurt more. I don't know too much about tepentadol apart from the fact that tehexadol has ALSO been patented and by all accounts is much more active. Maybe I do over-estimate the readership, but I would much rather NOT be cynical towards others.

Nutt, Nichole, Cook and their like are too arrogant. Merely learning facts does not elevate one as they seem to think. They only knew what they were taught. No Dan Lednicer. Not famous, not known by the public, but the only true genius I ever knew. That seems to be the fate of such people. But he's done far more for humanity than that triad of egotists, but questly.

Although I suppose the 12 textbooks he wrote and his managing the drug-development team of Upjohn suggests that he likely didn't need to convince anyone of his ability. My best interaction was me E-mailing '15' to him and his response was 'yes'. was a comfort.

It's been 3 years and I still miss him. Every time I find something, I want to tell him... and I cannot.

 

[MsDiz]

Maybe I do over-estimate the readership, but I would much rather NOT be cynical towards others.

It never hurts to explain the study you are posting and what your take is from it. It’s not being cynical, it’s actually including those that want to learn in a way they can understand.

Posting pages of studies is overwhelming and confusing. Choose one really good study, explain it, the results and your opinion of it. You’d be surprised how much a layman can engage with this type of writing style.