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LSD question that Ive never had to ask.

The way I think of it is not about what effects can (or cannot) be perceived from taking even a full 4 mg of d-iso-lsd, or other isomers, but rather how that adulterant has the potential in some subjects to alter some specific body effects. Shulgin ate all the iso’s and found no effect - totally inactive. Some claim that test equals proof that impurities can’t have an effect, at least on their own. That’s the key here - they’re not on their own on a typical blotter. What I’m curious about, and waiting for real testing, is how they might possibly synergize with the lsd itself, and potentially cause these frequent complaints of ill-feeling somatic effects.

Also, I’m curious about starting with C.Paspali vs C.Purpurea - they have different ratios of actives, to be sure, and I wonder how those factor in.

Whether or not human thought can have quantum effects on matter is actually still being researched and is therefore up for debate. Praying over lsd crystal sounds hooky, but we cannot strictly rule out any possibility before putting this supposition through full, rigorous study. I bet it has some real effect, although that bet is worth nothing.

Really, it’s like Sasquatch; I just wanna believe.
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praying over LSD truly does work. LSD is not a ordinary molecule its pure fucking madness. LSD chemists truly live a life on a whole different level to any other human being on this planet. Remeber shulgin was trying to find the perfect psychedelic that would enable to gain mind control over reality and become the next level of human a god among man. He truly believed he had gained telekinesis from taking psychedelic. Eventually somebody makes and takes so much LSD they could no longer be thought of to be just been human. Their consciousness has now merged with LSD forever creating some new type of evolved animal who lives on a higher plane of existence than the rest of us,
 
TripSitterNZ said:
praying over LSD truly does work. LSD is not a ordinary molecule its pure fucking madness. LSD chemists truly live a life on a whole different level to any other human being on this planet. Remeber shulgin was trying to find the perfect psychedelic that would enable to gain mind control over reality and become the next level of human a god among man. He truly believed he had gained telekinesis from taking psychedelic. Eventually somebody makes and takes so much LSD they could no longer be thought of to be just been human. Their consciousness has now merged with LSD forever creating some new type of evolved animal who lives on a higher plane of existence than the rest of us,
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you just sold acid pretty well, makes me want to trip everyday to become a god
 
hahaha i understand how i came off. believe me i am a skeptic in every sense of the word. I do not believe anything baised on faith, pure experience. Just thought that info would be interesting. Like I said, i have decades of experience handling all different types of LSD and this is just the info ive gathered over the years. Do with it what you will, believe it or make fun of it, it is purely for educational purposes :)
 
Bella Figura said:
I'm also of the opinion that LSD is LSD, MDMA is MDMA etc
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Haha, funny you said that. Before I read that post, I was inclined to share my own strong view that LSD is not LSD.

Not like how a gram is a gram at least.

I think maybe it could be theoretically, but I don't think it is.

Everything, or most things created, just vary naturally. Each batch of cayenne or turmeric I get is always slightly different in shade and palette. But they do essentially the same thing.

Bad analogy. But to me, from life long extensive experience, I could never be convinced the variance of subjective experience between different LSD batches and sources, is down purely to set, setting, dose and placebo.

Not in my own mind and experience no way, absolutely categorically. I know plenty of other longterm experienced trippers stand firmly with me on that one too.
 
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Atelier3 said:
If LSD is, say, 95 % pure what is in the remaining 5 % that could have a perceptible effect in the amount that fits on a blotter?

i presume that the 95 % pure bit is 100 % LSD made up to 100 % total volume dose with some contaminant?
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The clearnet lysergamides from Holland are 98% purity.
 
Atelier3 said:
If LSD is, say, 95 % pure what is in the remaining 5 % that could have a perceptible effect in the amount that fits on a blotter?

i presume that the 95 % pure bit is 100 % LSD made up to 100 % total volume dose with some contaminant?
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i can feel the effects of LSD even at 15 ug. a 10 ug side product would 100% fuck your trip up in a differenty way
 
TripSitterNZ said:
i can feel the effects of LSD even at 15 ug. a 10 ug side product would 100% fuck your trip up in a differenty way
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Agree. I feel 10ug. 25ug friday night, came on strong. 475ug saturday night made for an unexpectedly intense Sunday. The exact dose can strongly determine the experience, but in my own view still does not at all account for the subjective variability.
 
AutoTripper said:
Haha, funny you said that. Before I read that post, I was inclined to share my own strong view that LSD is not LSD.

Not like how a gram is a gram at least.

I think maybe it could be theoretically, but I don't think it is.

Everything, or most things created, just vary naturally. Each batch of cayenne or turmeric I get is always slightly different in shade and palette. But they do essentially the same thing.

Bad analogy. But to me, from life long extensive experience, I could never be convinced the variance of subjective experience between different LSD batches and sources, is down purely to set, setting, dose and placebo.

Not in my own mind and experience no way, absolutely categorically. I know plenty of other longterm experienced trippers stand firmly with me on that one too.
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Sorry but that wasn't very convincing an argument :p
 
Bella Figura said:
Sorry but that wasn't very convincing an argument :p
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I know, I didn't expect to convince. I've actually recently almost fully abandoned that pursuit lol.

This is all so subjective, we could go at lengths about lifelong, indivudual compelling contrasting experiences, but I feel would be of little use.

I don't mean yourself or any others are ignorant at all.

I have an incredibly tuned bodily intuition, thank god because that is my backbone and guide when it comes to resourdefully and safely negotiation the impossible stepping stones of my Lyme caused allergies for a start.

I have taken lsd since 1996. I have always been heavily in tune with how every drug affects me. Foods and herbs too, by nature.

I am seriously solidly convinced that different lsd sources can have remarkably different, signature effects, not set setting dose related.

But down to the actual product itself.

Just stating my own strong convicted belief, based on decades of heavy experience and being really bodily in tune.

Just vaporizing some strong organic Sunngrown Blue Dream,,innHerborizer DigiTi vaporizer. Brings up the acid bigtime for sure. Not had much at all bit plenty enough already after a nice strong kava session.
 
TripSitterNZ said:
the time i combined american and european lsd together was fucking crazy two different crystals merged into one of my most powerful god moments of my life.
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I could try that actually. All of my trips have been with the 98% pure Dutch Lysergamides.

But I still have those 5 californian Sunshine blotters over 200ug each. I assumed they are in fact American.
 
Another vote for "LSD is LSD"

Most of the fun is how diverse it is. Its different every time, in a way. That's just psychedelics, IME.

I feel like people who believe the different labels have never had like a sheet they slowly worked down over a year. You have 100 of the same tabs but you will get a handful of very different experiences in there, from the exact same stuff. Times you get nasty physical symptoms much harder than usual, times you are unusually clear headed and insightful, etc.

Also, what is the proposed mechanism for these different effects? Psychoactive impurities? Things very similar to but not exactly LSD-25 (al-lad, p-lsd, lsa etc)? Non-psychoactive toxic impurities?

From what I understand LSD synth is one of the top dogs. I dont see someone getting to that level and producing massive quantities of blotters or crystals that are trash. Scammers, maybe, like DOx blotters, are around, but if you can synth LSD, comfortably work in the microgram scale, I imagine you'd do it right
 
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RedRum OG said:
Another vote for "LSD is LSD"

Most of the fun is how diverse it is. Its different every time, in a way. That's just psychedelics, IME.

I feel like people who believe the different labels have never had like a sheet they slowly worked down over a year. You have 100 of the same tabs but you will get a handful of very different experiences in there, from the exact same stuff. Times you get nasty physical symptoms much harder than usual, times you are unusually clear headed and insightful, etc.

Also, what is the proposed mechanism for these different effects? Psychoactive impurities? Things very similar to but not exactly LSD-25? Non-psychoactive toxic impurities?

From what I understand LSD synth is one of the top dogs. I dont see someone getting to that level and producing massive quantities of blotters or crystals that are trash.
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This is true. I would argue the nature of psychedelic drugs makes them among the hardest to subjectively test for differences between batches. The exact same batch on different occasions can produce two experiences that are worlds apart. Still, this doesn't disprove the idea that there could be differences. It's just makes it very difficult to tell for sure.
 
AutoTripper said:
I could try that actually. All of my trips have been with the 98% pure Dutch Lysergamides.

But I still have those 5 californian Sunshine blotters over 200ug each. I assumed they are in fact American.
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i think the cali sunshine are still made with euro crystal usually from holland or france white fluff 95%
 
burn out said:
This is true. I would argue the nature of psychedelic drugs makes them among the hardest to subjectively test for differences between batches. The exact same batch on different occasions can produce two experiences that are worlds apart. Still, this doesn't disprove the idea that there could be differences. It's just makes it very difficult to tell for sure.
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Well said
 
TripSitterNZ said:
i think the cali sunshine are still made with euro crystal usually from holland or france white fluff 95%
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Thanks. I knew you would be able to clarify that. I was'nt sure.

But combining any different Lysergamides isca unique experience. I have 3 different onescat disposal, including 25, and I may come across a few AL LAD 150ug blotters too soon. More gentle, less psyche intense, but very easy going, enjoyable, recrrational, happy and fun, with great visual too I think.

Al-LAD Has been in such popular demand they persisted to find an easier, cheaper, better yielding production process to bring it back.

ETH-LAD gets super intense visually I hearvat dose increases.

Like 200ug even can be full enough I think.

But AL- LAD does appeal to me. I can get Eth lad as well, should I wish.
 
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