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I snooted 60mg MXE last night, but my fiance kept being needy and in a foul mood so I never ended up reaching a hole... next time I'm gonna try and plan around a night when she's not home. It irked me because I told her, "I need at least an hour alone to lay down for this," but she insisted I hang out with her in a far too well lit room. Erggg >.>

Not the first time something like that has happened (not just with her I mean). People seem to always be walking in and pulling me out of my mexxy trips. I really need to plan for this better.
 
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^ You have described one of my current nightmares lol. I'm about to have 120 mg of methoxetamine to work with, and my one goal with it is to reach the hole, as I was not able to with my last small batch and I don't really expect to get another shot in the foreseeable future. I have so little experience with methoxetamine and dissociatives in general however that I am quite paranoid that any one small thing not accounted for could basically throw off the whole thing.

Is all 120 mg orally too much with essentially no dissociative tolerance? Is there a risk of overshooting the hole and blacking out this way? I just want to make sure I get every drop of worth out of it I possibly can....
 
^Yes, I've never actually approached 120mg, I think i ended up taking 100 or so mg once, but over the course of a night in 5 doses. Honestly, with no tolerance 80mg should be very intense for you. It is for me heh, even when I've been messing with it on and off for weeks.

If you want to extend it, maybe use some nitrous on the peak? Or maybe have one hole trip, and save maybe 20-40mg for a combo later?
 
Yes 120mg orally is too much for sure. It will not be a good time, my friend who used to do it daily would take that much in a night, but not all at once, but once I took 75mg in 3 25mg increments and it was verging on too much. Honestly I holed hard on 40mg orally and 20mg plugged when I was first getting into MXE. I like to take it in staggered doses the best rather than all at once. Unlike psychedelic short-term tolerance isn't really a thing.

Christmas Jam tonight! My girlfriend isn't coming over anymore so now I'm gonna go pre-party with my friends at about 4. The show is from 7 to 2 or 3am. Gonna take ALD-52 + AL-LAD (125ug + 150ug) and bring another ALD-52 hit if needed, on top of a base level of 3-MeO-PCP, and add a moderate dose (80-100mg) of MDMA partway through. :)

I also just talked to my girl on the phone and she was lamenting that she lives 30 minutes away from me. She's been looking for a new place to live because her roommate is terrible, but it's very challenging to find a place that has even nearly as good a price (she pays $225 a month for rent in a nice house that is in an awesome location - for comparison, she found an outbuilding with no running water for $400 a month which was the next best deal). She was saying she wants to find a place closer. I am wondering if she was trying to get me to ask if she wanted to move in with me. In the past we discussed it and she didn't want to. But I wonder if she changed her mind? It would make sense, she could contribute to my monthly payment, and we would see each other more often, and I'd be a good roommate. On the other hand I wouldn't want anything to change negatively for us. I like that we don't live together because it means we don't have that stress on our relationship. And also there are like 3 nights a week I don't see her and it makes me really excited every time I see her. But it would be really nice in other ways. Hmm.
 
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^Yes, I've never actually approached 120mg, I think i ended up taking 100 or so mg once, but over the course of a night in 5 doses. Honestly, with no tolerance 80mg should be very intense for you. It is for me heh, even when I've been messing with it on and off for weeks.

If you want to extend it, maybe use some nitrous on the peak? Or maybe have one hole trip, and save maybe 20-40mg for a combo later?

Hmmmm.... Well, here's the thing: with my last batch I did take 70 mg orally as my highest dose, and that wasn't enough to hole. It was definitely strong, and 80 mg would obviously be even stronger, but it's still a minor increase in dosage from that, and if it still fails to push me into the hole regardless it will be an official waste of my one and only shot, as I certainly won't have enough left after that. I would honestly rather overshoot it and have partial memories than undershoot it again... so that's why I'm tempted to really go all out with it even if it turns out to be a bit too much, as long as it's not basically just total amnesia.

I was thinking about dividing it up like that too, like maybe 100 mg the first time and save the 20 mg for later. I'm just not sure I'll be willing to take less than the 100 mg though.... I think I would regret it forever if I did and it didn't work, more so than if I blacked out from using more, because then I'll at least know that I tried. I just don't want to take any dosage where it's pretty much guaranteed that I'll black out as opposed to it just being somewhat of a risk, as that would obviously be stupid, but I'm afraid that if I take less than that it just won't be enough to get what I really want to see out of it. The only thing I truly care about achieving with it is the hole, I had plenty of non-hole experiences with my first batch and I could honestly mostly take it or leave it, it was fun but nothing amazing.

I probably will mix nitrous oxide with it at some point though, that's one of my favorite drugs and it really helped make my first 50 mg experience. I really don't know how I'm going to do the rest though.... Obviously I've got more thinking to do.

Thanks for the thoughts. :)

Yes 120mg orally is too much for sure. It will not be a good time, my friend who used to do it daily would take that much in a night, but not all at once, but once I took 75mg in 3 25mg increments and it was verging on too much. Honestly I holed hard on 40mg orally and 20mg plugged when I was first getting into MXE. I like to take it in staggered doses the best rather than all at once. Unlike psychedelic short-term tolerance isn't really a thing.

That's about how I felt about my 70 mg experience too actually, it was much less pleasant or euphoric than 50 mg was for me, like the intoxication was becoming too strong for it to really be recreational. However, it also unfortunately still was apparently below the threshold I need to reach the level of out-of-body or hallucinogenic effects I would like to see from it, so where is the compromise?

I don't think it would be accurate to say that having fun is my goal, however. I did that with my first batch, now I want to see it ripping my reality to shreds. Anything less than too much I worry would be not enough for me. I really again am only worried about literally just blacking out and not remembering any of it at all, that's the one limit I don't want to hit if I can avoid it. From the reading I have done I am not worried about facing any physical dangers with this amount even if I were to eat the whole 120 mg, and, foolishly or not, I'm not really worried about facing any psychoactive effects at any intensity on any drug period. I would rather be impressed than relaxed when it comes to such things.

Staggering the doses is a potential strategy that appeals to me however, especially if it would allow me to start with something more like 80 mg and then add my way up to 100 or 120 mg anyway without much of a short-term tolerance build if it didn't turn out to be enough after all. How far apart do you normally take them?

Christmas Jam tonight! My girlfriend isn't coming over anymore so now I'm gonna go pre-party with my friends at about 4. The show is from 7 to 2 or 3am. Gonna take ALD-52 + AL-LAD (125ug + 150ug) and bring another ALD-52 hit if needed, on top of a base level of 3-MeO-PCP, and add a moderate dose (80-100mg) of MDMA partway through. :)

Sounds awesome, hope it's a blast. :D

I'm about to have a little bit of 3-MeO-PCP to work with for the first time too, hehe.... That should be interesting too.
 
Can you plug? That would make it much easier to get to exactly the level you want to get to.

In regards to staggering oral doses, I'd go for 40-60 minutes between.


Is this the same stuff you had last time? If it's good MXE 100mg is really going to be too much, are you sure the last stuff you had was good?
 
I can, but I just generally prefer to take my drugs orally if it doesn't require any preparation or enzyme inhibition or what have you. I've always been a fan of the slow and drawn out experiences with any mind-altering substances, as I have pretty consistently found them to be the most meaningful and satisfying that way. What kind of impact does plugging have on methoxetamine's onset and total duration?

Thanks for the tip too. :) It definitely wouldn't take me more than an hour to decide if a dose I was on was strong enough, so I'm glad to hear that you can redose at that point and still have it be really effective.

It's from the same supply as before, a generous friend of mine has been holding on to some since the pre-ban days. I of course cannot rate it outside the scope of that first supply as I have never used it any other time, but whenever I described the effects I felt from lower doses to people who are familiar with it it was never met with any suspicion, but often nostalgic reminiscence. I very much enjoyed 10-30 mg doses for their ability to produce an extremely clean blend of alcohol-like disinhibition, opiate-like analgesia, bouts of manic stimulation, and moments of peak euphoria comparable only to some of the most blissful feelings of pure satisfaction and contentment I can recall being far more easily accessible from my youth when life was not so complicated and convoluted, though my favorite level was 50 mg as it consistently produced by far the most mentally psychedelic altered state of any non-psychedelic drug I have ever ingested, including both the cognitive symptoms such as moments of pure awareness and deep introspection in a bubble detached from the rest of the world like a good LSD trip, and the accompanying mind's eye imagery that I tend to get such as the arms of Avalokitesvara wrapped into spiraling fractal forms, along with the orgasmic bodily sensations that I also tend to get in such states, all while still being extremely easy to handle in a way that almost no psychedelic is. The 70 mg as I've said I found less pleasant, but mostly just in a transitional phase sort of way, like it was too much to be enjoyed the way 50 mg would be but not enough to push through the next threshold to the next level of much deeper and more intense effects.

Let me preface this by saying that I trust you guys on this subject more than anyone else in the world, and when you tell you think it would be too much, I believe you. That being said, for my own desires, when people tell me that an experience is going to be too much, it tends to go in one ear and out the other. Hell, these days it usually just makes me want to do whatever it is even more. In my perspective, there is no such thing as too much of a psychoactive effect when your only goal with taking a drug is to see what psychoactive effects it can produce, to see what your mind can truly do.... People have been trying to convince me otherwise for a very long time, and none of them have turned out right yet. In fact, most of the time when I've gone overboard in ways that people told me would not be a wise choice, it's ended up producing one of my most worthwhile and memorable psychoactive experiences, hence my ever increasing readiness to do the exact opposite of what people tell me.

This is not meant to be a brag, though I could understand how it may be construed as such, nor is it meant to endorse any of this kind of behavior. There is nothing impressive or safe about pushing your limits in this way, but I cannot explore my mind to the degree that I desire if I am not willing to do these things, and I have no desire to live a life where I cannot feel free to explore myself on this level. If something the human mind can do is generally perceived as terrifyingly intense, that's something I want to see myself, because it wouldn't terrify people if it wasn't utterly astounding, and that's just the way I am and pretty much always have been.

And that's all I have to say about that. :)





Well, of course, I should add that the one exception is just blacking out, hence my earlier questioning. Taking a drug just to forget the whole thing is obviously pointless. However, beyond that there is no level of psychoactivity I would not be willing to put up with here. If by too much you mean you think I will black out for the experience, please specify that. If you only mean that it will be too much for the average person to enjoy, I will likely jump in at that level.
 
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Overdoing it on MXE is blacking out for me, yes. If you have a good handle on what level of intensity of come-up translates to what level of peak, I'm sure you'll be fine. But I've lost many a night on MXE unfortunately. My advice if you want to be sure is to start with 30-40mg. Redose 30-40mg 30 minutes later. I like staggering anyways if going for high dose oral MXE experiences, you still get as high and it's easier to maintain memory and coherence of the experience. Then decide after that one where you want to go an hour or so later.
 
Got it, thanks for the clarification and advice. :)

I'll definitely have to think about it for a while before making a final decision.... It's probably the psychedelic user in me, but it's really hard for me to not instinctively worry that it simply won't reach the level I want if I don't start with at least 80 mg, even if I stagger my way beyond that. Perhaps working with the 3-MeO-PCP first will help me abate that fear, and get me a bit more used to dissociatives in general again.

I will say, the one thing that scares me about staggering is the fact that methoxetamine, as far as I can recall now, actually seemed a lot shorter-lived for me than most places said it would be. I have some fear that my CYP2D6 enzymes may be chomping it up really quick, as, without going into why, there are many other CYP2D6 drugs that have made me suspect that I might have a pretty active form of those enzymes as well, and I would have to imagine that would be one of the metabolic differences, via the 3-MeO group, from 2'-Oxo-PCE, which many places claim to have a similar duration, but which for me lasts FAR longer. It actually threw me at first, because I had just finished experimenting with 2'-Oxo-PCE not long before I first got to try methoxetamine, and one of my favorite things about 2'-Oxo-PCE was that it kept me high all night long and when I went to bed and woke up the next day I was still high, but then with methoxetamine I felt like I was practically sobering up after a couple hours. That short run is what makes me nervous about stacking multiple doses, I fear that the peaks would start wearing off too fast for me.... Perhaps 3-MeO-PCP will help me solve that mystery too though if it's metabolized the same way.

Anyway, just some more rambling.... I'm sure I'll figure it out eventually.
 
Got it, thanks for the clarification and advice. :)

I'm glad to help :)

80mg straight off the bat is asking for a blackout IME. I never had any issues with staggering MXE and missing out on the experience, which is why I recommend it. If you're going to push the dosage, if anything stagger 20mg doses by 15-25 minutes instead of taking it all at once. You can avoid a lot of confusion and possible blackouts by staggering.
 
Dissociatives are not like psychedelics... there isn't the same sort of short-term tolerance buildup. In my experience, staggering doses works better, rather than worse, with dissociatives.
 
I find the effects of mxe drop off quite rapidly after a few hours leaving a bit of a stimmed up feeling for the next few. I always found it jarring emerging from a zonked dissociated state into something with a weird monoaminergic feel to it. Not always entirely comfortable IME.
 
Are dissociatives considered psychologically addictive? I am pretty sure I have heard of people fiending ketamine before, to the point that they totally fuck up their bladders... apparently it causes bladder damage, that one. I have definitely seen people at least in documentaries who live an "addict" type of life style that revolves around ketamine. That seems really weird to me I mean I have never tried K but I guess it can be used in a negative way like that. Shame really, sounds like an awesome drug.

This is the reason I have never tried them, and never will. (except maybe 3-MeO-PCP Xorkoth... your drug combo sounded so silly it had me in hysterics so I might have to get myself a little 3-Meo-PCP to try it myself... I think the only other ingredient I am missing from your magic potion would be ald-52:)).
 
That also worries me about ketamine, but I'd still like to try it some day. The PCP analogues frankly just scare me. But maybe that's just because I've fallen victim to the anti drug propaganda concerning PCP.

I have just recieved some DPT. :D Been interested in it for a long time, I'm very excited to try it. But then it does have quite the reputation and I'm not sure if I am up for a really serious trip in the immediate future. Plus I also still have to try the 5-MeO-DMT I got like 6 months ago, which I keep delaying for similar reasons. Well we'll see, it's not going anywhere.
 
I have DPT too! I snorted a small dose a couple years ago, and it seemed incredibly spiritual natured and mind expanding. I did a lot of journal writing on it. Haven't taken a full dose of it yet, but it's high up on my list of strange, obscure chemicals to insert into my brain.

I am only delaying 5-meo-dmt because I don't know wtf to do with the HCl. I used to have beautiful rocks of freebase, but had to throw them away when I caused a massive forest fire and thought the cops were coming... lol. Fuck, I had really good AMT and methylone too, and don't have access to those anymore. Well, only the whole entire rural town, a fire truck, and a rescue helicopter ended up showing up so all was well in the world. It was like the apocalypse being in the middle of a forest burning down while trying to save my family's cottage (luckily, it was left untouched), but other sheds and little buildings around burnt down it was insane!

I am learning Mandarin through work, it is crazy. I just practiced writing 4 symbols that together have some strange meaning. They described it as "mountains and rivers are as beautiful as painted pictures" and also "describing a place full of beautiful views" ... I don't know wtf is going on haha. I practiced Camel too which is 2 syllables, but the symbols are so intricate it is ridiculous. I am now practicing 11 symbols which have a meaning which they are having a real tough time explaining to me.

I showed them Schrodinger's equation written down in my journal cause it's the only way I can relate anything I understand to them. This is def no english haha. It's like artwork, and poetry. It's a beautiful language and like a creative outlet in the form of artwork I am actually good at. Can't paint or sketch shit, but all the physics equations and education background are really helping me with this.
 
Yes, I have the HCL too. I thought maybe I'll try plugging it, it seems some have gotten good results with that even though it might be a little wasteful. Crazy story with the forest fire! 8o
 
I find the effects of mxe drop off quite rapidly after a few hours leaving a bit of a stimmed up feeling for the next few. I always found it jarring emerging from a zonked dissociated state into something with a weird monoaminergic feel to it. Not always entirely comfortable IME.
I actually really enjoy this aspect of MXE, though I agree it's a bit odd. I always find myself desiring social contact as I emerge from the hole, but I'm still too wonked to drive ever so I never end up achieving it :|
 
Man I'm thinking of trying the 5-meo-dmt spirit key cosmic enlightenment thingy sublingually. I dab enough dmt.

Forest fire was probably the craziest day of my life. Instant panic attack. I had been up on shrooms all night with my friends, was still high, and started a massive campfire to cook breakfast on when it died down (and for a lil pyro fun). Then I forgot about it until I was out canoeing with my 3 friends and we noticed a shit ton of heavy black smoke on my land. Started canoeing back and saw my friend screaming at us from the down waving his arms. Oh man I'm giggling my ass off just typing this. All hell broke loose after... this was like 10 years ago and I had pot plants growing and shrooms LOL and thought the cops were coming. So as my friends were trying to put the fire out, I was throwing all my fruiting mushrooms into the lake. The whole town was in and out of my place, there were bongs everywhere and shrooms it just looked like a drug den... I tossed my freebase 5-meo-dmt crystals, AMT, and methylone into the woods but I could never find them after that.

Super high today and about to plug in my electric guitar. Not sure if there is any better feeling. Maybe if my foxy friend would stop puking so we could go on another date she is so sick! It sucks I had a lot of ideas to help but she is a shy cutie and I think would prefer me not to see her puking. And I even made cream of broccoli... then my stoned ass had all like 10 cups haha 8(


Oh yeah before I start shredding my guitar, I had something trippy as hell happen to me this morning. I hadn't heard from the chick I really really like in about a day and she is quite sick. I have been stoned as hell and tripping all morning and I focussed all my energy on her, but like kind of out of focus... out of body, mind like a razor sharp laser. I felt this beam of energy shooting out of the top of my head like a rainbow. Like 5 seconds later she contacted me, and said she had been puking pretty much all day yesterday. Man... the day of our next date just my luck but I hope she is okay. She is very ill, I care a lot about her and offered a lot of things to help but she is a shy cutie and I think wouldn't want me to see her puking... even though when we were tripping she was urinating in front of me while we were having a casual chat on our first date that was like 15 hours long haha and was supposed to be like 2. This girl has me in hysterics all the time. She is so chill. But yeah... that was downright telepathy this morning I'm high as fuck! Blasting Architects old stuff before I go crazy on my guitar haha. About to plug that guitar in mane so psyched! The only thing I can think of to do to make her feel better, is record her a little song.
 
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