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People who enjoy Ice/Methamphetamine

Why do people like cigarettes so much?

If you ask a lot of smokers, they'll tell you they hate it. Meth's not really fun after three days, but it makes your brain flag it as "something my body needs anyway" and you're fucked.

There are some mystical states that can be achieved with it, at great cost; I'd be lying if I said I wasn't chasing an aspect of that (although I didn't know about the shadow lands or find them until months of daily use took me there).
 
In a weird way, I feel like meth has less of a recreational value verse dextroamphetamine or Adderall, where it does have that "ohh. Shit here we go!" Effect, whereas methamphetamine it's way more enjoyable quality in a different manner, it's duration is so much longer, no drop off / crash point..is It just me or does meth have this effect for other people., I personally hate taking adderall where It seems to last 2-3hrs and then already re-dosing crosses my mind
 
There are some mystical states that can be achieved with it,

oh pray tell.

you mean MDMA like states? please describe, and you're making me want to try meth again, although my experiences with it were just pur stimulant rushing, bellringers on injection, jack-fests that ended with me thinking the cops were at my door with dogs for 6 hours
 
Lucid S. Dreamer said:
oh pray tell.

You asked. MDMA-like? Oh no. I've often thought of meth as the yin to MDMA yang (and with MDA in the middle sort of, maybe that's why I like it best? Yinning and yanging in a pharmaceutical taijitu till Lao Tzu himself appears?)--all the empathy and cosmic connectedness of MDMA, the urge to cuddle, make pillow talk, light some candles; becomes a burning need to just fuck something on meth. Doesn't matter who or what, but the more perverted the better, the more people watching, the better.

There is a mystical mind-set that can be reached during marathon jack-fests, some kind of Huxley-like opening of an ancient limbic ventricle, a state of pure sex. And I don't mean like that place you go when making out stoned or on E, that's kind of a "flying through space" cosmic feeling. This is more like oneness with my penis.

But the mystical states are completely different. I haven't started charting them all, because they're not exactly fun, and it takes enough meth (or at least, a high amount for a certain length of time greater than like three days) that I'd need a sitter, possibly with a Taser.

It's different than the trippiness from sleep-loss, which gets routine after a while. They range from a bizarre, constant deja vu, to an amazing nostalgia, and then to that shadow-realm place. I don't mean the "shadow people" that comes with paranoia from sleep-loss, this is where the things around you become imbued with agency, very reminiscent of LSD.

It was most noticeable camping, especially on an empty beach at night. I was trying to peak out on my session, and of course wanted to fuck the ocean, just sitting there, splashing dangerous surf everywhere, so I started stripping down. But the wind and bushes behind me kept objecting. The cliffs didn't seem fond either (yeah, I'm not attractive, especially naked, but the cliffs shouldn't give a shit). This sense of things being alive was like classic psychedelics, but with a darker edge, and a moving one. There were things alive moving behind me, off to the sides, I could see hints of them in the moonlight.

It was too much there on the beach, much more fun on the long walk back, esp. considering prev. adventures in the hills there. But I think it was just the beginning of a psychotic state, and all I had to do was have a delusion combine with it and I'd be deep in haloperidol territory. The voices you hear anyway with sleep loss had only to start talking to me.

But there's still strange moments of deep insight that comes with lots of meth, especially if you can recognize some of the altered thought processes. That's trickier than it seems given how smooth the slide into a particular delusion is. You don't feel fucked-up at all, IOW.

Anyway, I'm down to emergency cash, and it's wrecking parts of my health, and I'm misusing it continually, so it is time to take a break for awhile. It's been 48 hours without, and mainly I'm just suicidally depressed, hungry, and sleepy. So like normal.
 
Rinse, repeat, then the comedowns get worse, the highs wither, and I start to feel a loss of control.
I wish my buddy who traded his life for meth could so eloquently describe what is happening to him. He just said "I like getting high" when I saw him in the park a week before he went to San Quentin for the first time.
 
Maybe to the shadow people who live in our dopamine receptors

I just didn't quite get how taking it orally would've made any difference. It's the steady over-abundance of the dopamine creating the psychotic state; if anything massive oral doses would be worse; most people prefer a bolus of dopamine release for a "rush". That and the only improvements I could see would be in setting.
 
Man I hate meth. I've had some good experiences with it but I still hate it. Had so many times where I've injected the tiniest amount of it and wound up throwing up for several minutes. After that it was enjoyable but I still hate it.

I Iv it simply so I can very very finely choose how much I wanna use. Which is never very much.

Much prefer dexamphetamine pills if I'm in the mood for stims.

While I've had some good times on stims, I'm definitely a downer person. Loooove opiates way too much.
 
i have a question i know its off topic but i cant find an answer and dont want to start a new thread but i have i.v. H for years i just started using meth i (smoke) to help me cut back and quit i dont do a whole lot and i still eat drink i dont go on binges staying up all night but the problem is 4 hrs or so after a few hits my stomach will knot up and ill gag and i will puke a few times only like 3 if i lay down if im standing it will happen until i lay down but i dont get nauseous jus knots up and ill gag and i cant seem to find an answer on this ive done it 3 times and its the same thing every time and it cant be H wd because even though i dont feel it i know its been so many hrs its time for more
 
taking it orally just works smoother and stronger and your body appreciates it more because its more gradual and works with all your internal systems better.... Smoking gets really gross after awhile and the rush starts to fade and it just sort of sucks in general... not a great high.... Snorting is hard on your nasal and causes all sorts of problems.... same with IV obviously , not worth all the health concerns.... Tweakers are so dumb sometimes , they just want an instant gratification "rush" and never consider the possibility of the simple and obvious solution..... Swallow the shit with a bunch of water or milk and the liquid carries it though your system much smoother and the release of dopamine is gradual but stunningly strong .... you will be like "Damn!" i only had to swallow a couple points and now I'm high all fucking day with no need to re-dose... Don't knock it until you try it, you won't go back to any other method and your shiz lasts so much longer
 
Except you missed how I explained it wasn't any rush responsible for the deep effects of meth, but the time spent with a lot of it pickling those dopamine receptors. So I'm not really disagreeing with you, but if you looked I never claimed a favored ROA. I tend to combine all of them except IV, but actually avoid oral because of severe stomach upset. That said, I do take it bucally, and just try to remember not to swallow for a while.

With excessive use, the "highs" to which I never got much of to begin with, blend together anyway. I find smoking can be relaxing if you have the time, but wastes a lot of dope; at best makes you kind of pleasantly dizzy. Nasal is the best, but obviously is limited by sheer pain. Plugging is ideal, but I need more practice with the intricacies of personal evacuatory processes to make it truly effective, and frankly, I don't have much desire to practice that. To each their own, though.

A further downside to that method, is that it would be bad to get caught smoking, sure, it would be much worse to be caught with my feet touching my ears and my big brown eye winking at my family. And poopy syringes. It is gross, even if the greatest potential. (I have a female friend (it does happen) from another drug forum, who constantly takes it up her butt, and likes to skype me from the bathroom while she waits for it to kick in. So streamlined efficiency is possible with plugging, I'm just not there yet.)

And it's certainly possible to simply eat lots of it, but I'm still siding with that ROA as the source of occasional severe discomfort. I could be wrong and it's less the route than the size of the dose I use with that route. Maybe including a piece of toast is all I need.

But sorry, my child, I wish a couple points orally would be sufficient, but I passed that a while ago.
 
i have a question i know its off topic but i cant find an answer and dont want to start a new thread but i have i.v. H for years i just started using meth i (smoke) to help me cut back and quit i dont do a whole lot and i still eat drink i dont go on binges staying up all night but the problem is 4 hrs or so after a few hits my stomach will knot up and ill gag and i will puke a few times only like 3 if i lay down if im standing it will happen until i lay down but i dont get nauseous jus knots up and ill gag and i cant seem to find an answer on this ive done it 3 times and its the same thing every time and it cant be H wd because even though i dont feel it i know its been so many hrs its time for more

I've had similar, and heard similar. It's common to get sick right away with whopping doses, but this is a different nasty sensation, strictly meth-related. Best that I can tell to prevent it, is to be well-fed and hydrated, not just barely fed and watered. Sort of a "strength" issue. With your timing it might be a sort of crash.

[danger utter bullshit speculation] One thing that stims do is send blood-sugar soaring, not just in diabetics like me. Now, if you run out of easy sugar sources, like if you don't hardly eat and are still tweaked-out active, you burn muscle and fat off your bones. Well, this can cause acidosis, a severe Aktins Diet (and for serious tweakers can lead to things like rhabdomyolysis). I think this acidosis is behind some of the malaise and nausea that happens occasionally. THen again, I've only puked once from meth, but that may be due to my very high standards as a former drunk.

TL;DR it sounds to me like you're just having a somewhat stronger, yet still normal, meth reaction.
 
Some users are just plain lucky and have more natural mental resilience. My meth dealer is like that. I have scored off him for about 4 years and the amount of times i have met him after he has been awake for at least a week and he looks perfectly fine is amazing. Another amazing thing about this guy is he doesn't use anything for the come down. No benzo's no GHB not even Alcohol or weed. Only other drugs he users is caffeine in non-branded Cola soft drink he drinks by the litre and 10 to 15 cigarettes he smokes in a day. I swear to God this dealer isn't a heavy cig smoker at all despite all the time he is awake and his attitude is that he either smokes more puff for the come down if his supply is big enough to get high on his own supply while meeting his clients needs or he just rides out the come down watching tv until he falls asleep.
Well not all people get any kind of come down or hungover from stimulants, even from meth. I have never got any from any stimulants.
 
Hi! I'm still new and hope this is an excepted topic but I wanted know if there are any other *users* out there that enjoy their speed and are able to sustain a healthy working lifestyle with it?

Thanks!!

Just do you shit on weekends do your stuff don't let your stuff do u
 
Some users are just plain lucky and have more natural mental resilience. My meth dealer is like that. I have scored off him for about 4 years and the amount of times i have met him after he has been awake for at least a week and he looks perfectly fine is amazing. Another amazing thing about this guy is he doesn't use anything for the come down. No benzo's no GHB not even Alcohol or weed. Only other drugs he users is caffeine in non-branded Cola soft drink he drinks by the litre and 10 to 15 cigarettes he smokes in a day. I swear to God this dealer isn't a heavy cig smoker at all despite all the time he is awake and his attitude is that he either smokes more puff for the come down if his supply is big enough to get high on his own supply while meeting his clients needs or he just rides out the come down watching tv until he falls asleep.

Seriously what saves my dealer is that he isn't that big time and there is a limit to how much meth he can afford so he does have periods of getting sleep. For a mere meth smoking mortal like myself being able to fall asleep at the 40 hour mark of sleeplessness at the end of the 2nd day awake is preferable.

So i'd say count yourselves lucky Username369 and Captian Heroin you can enjoy bingeing on meth for multiple days and not lose your shit mentally speaking. You guys must be strong willed.

My only question is how do you manage to do the mundane things in life like hold down a job and interact with a boss and co-workers while not getting done for drug driving as you are using for multiple days and most adults need to drive to commute to work. It ain't the 80's or 90's anymore and the police in most western countries have random roadside drug testing for meth which is a total buzz kill for a tweaker as we all know driving around on meth is damn fun.

Riding a harley Davidson motorcycle all tweeked is the best cops roll next to me and say nice bike and acted kool and asked where a street was and they said up 2 blocks said thx and rolled the trick is to just act kool not all ziped
 
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