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UK Ketamine Thread v.2 - shortage or not?

How's this for wonkiness then? This accurately describes a k-hole I experienced. More than once actually.

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We went through a period of fairly intense ketamine use that was characterised by the phrase (as we entered the hole) "We've really gone too far this time". Despite the apparent negative connotations of that sentence there was always an acceptance of "Oh well". Never scary. Always far out.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
How's this for wonkiness then? This accurately describes a k-hole I experienced. More than once actually.



We went through a period of fairly intense ketamine use that was characterised by the phrase (as we entered the hole) "We've really gone too far this time". Despite the apparent negative connotations of that sentence there was always an acceptance of "Oh well". Never scary. Always far out.
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That's the beauty of it right there. On a classical psychedelic, it often descends into meltery when you think ''We've gone too far this time'', but the usual lack of fear from Ketamine ensures that's a good omen most of the time.
 
Got some k in this week and it's the nicest most glorious euphoric k I've had in years. Haven't had any for 6 months or so and one 20mg bump on top of beers and weed had me totally loved up and euphoric for hours. Just shows what total shit we have been getting.

I find k the most diverse in effects drug I have done. It is like 2 or 3 drugs in 1.

I wouldn't recommend doing alcohol for quite a while on k. I also would not dive in but get the feel for k slowly. The first k hole can really freak people out.
 
We had 2 different batches of K this weekend, one I bought especially and another that a friend had lying around since about March/April. The difference in strength was pretty remarkable, with the new stuff being far better. I did the leftovers of the new batch before bed last night and unexpectedly holed for the first time in ages on what I thought was going to be a fairly low dose. I went from watching Mr Robot to emerging from a bunch of surreal and dreamlike sequences based loosely on the past 24 hours fading away as I came to in bed in a completely different room than I began in. I think the fact I was so drained probably served to melt my mind a bit easier in a dark room. Still, I had to get up and check I hadn't left a trail of destruction behind on my way to bed!
 
Your description doesn't sound at all like Ketamine, more like Tiletamine and or a substitute inferior dissociative. K-holing is not at all difficult with uncut K unlike Tiletamine, and there is no way you can dance with Ketamine unlike Tilet which you can until higher dosage, what is more Tiletamine nearly always comes mixed with benzos, so "you can dance and feel king of the world" is tileto-benzo euphoria. Tiletamine is very bad for your brain physiology unlike Ketamine, which is why it is banned for human use, should be banned for animal use as well imo.

I am convinced there is no real K left in the UK at least not on a street level, what kids are calling K today is just not, it's at best cut tiletamine.

StoneHappyMonday said:
30mg too low.

Two K effects. (And you have to find your dose anyway - I seem to have an incredible natural tolerance to K, my gf the opposite).

Effect 1- wobbly. You can dance and feel King of the world.

Effect 2 - k-hole. Harder to find than you might imagine (or am I just projecting?)

You can do K on your own, no sitter, and you'll be fine. On the other hand...

...perfect set and setting. (And now I am being subjective). Experienced friend. Two fat lines. Acid techno. LAY DOWN. Close your eyes. Become a building block of evolution. 45 mins of acid techno later you will quickly re-emerge and spend the next two weeks boring your friends with how you've just discovered the King of Drugs.

Fuck off the alcohol. Why would you need it?

If there's anything I've missed...
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^I'm unsure tiletamine is on the streets, or even really ever was on a wide scale. I know exactly the stuff you mean but it's almost 100% just a different isomer of ketamine. I've made noise on here before about supposed tiletamine, but in reflection I had no evidence for this, and there has never been any tiletamine submitted to wedinos. There has been ketamine submitted however, even in times when we supposedly had widespread tiletamine. I've also tried most of the recent dissociatives and they were vastly different in effect. The only time I've noticeably had something else was ephenidine (once) or MXE (years ago).

I think it's most definitely a different isomer of ketamine, caused by a differing production process in clandestine labs.

Oh and by the way, you can definitely dance on ketamine so long as youre not falling into a hole, or on the threshold. It's been a staple of my clubbing diet for years.
 
thespice said:
Your description doesn't sound at all like Ketamine,
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Oh isn't the internet wonderful. Every arsehole has an opinion. Some arseholes opinions are worth more than others.

I bow to your moronic convergence. (That's a Doonesbury joke, don't take it personally).

Tiletamine is incredibly bad for you, you're right about that. Which is why I wouldn't go near it.

Ketamine is a drug many people have different thresholds to. I have a friend who is a lightweight with most drugs, happens to be 6 feet tall and, erm, several stone, who needs an elephant dose of K to hole. I have a girlfriend who is hardcore with all the drugs she's taken with me except K, is 5 feet tall and weighs about the same as a crisp. 50mg of K will hole her.

But thanks for your opinion. Without sounding too conceited (which I'm obviously about to) I think you'll find most people on this board worth their salt will agree that with 35 years drug taking knowledge, I know what I'm on about. But yeah, thanks anyway.
 
Tranced said:
^I'm unsure tiletamine is on the streets, or even really ever was on a wide scale. I know exactly the stuff you mean but it's almost 100% just a different isomer of ketamine. I've made noise on here before about supposed tiletamine, but in reflection I had no evidence for this, and there has never been any tiletamine submitted to wedinos. There has been ketamine submitted however, even in times when we supposedly had widespread tiletamine. I've also tried most of the recent dissociatives and they were vastly different in effect. The only time I've noticeably had something else was ephenidine (once) or MXE (years ago).

I think it's most definitely a different isomer of ketamine, caused by a differing production process in clandestine labs.
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What you have stated above is exactly the problem in the UK, tiletamine is the only thing currently on the streets and it is being tauted as S-isomer when in fact what is sold in this country as ketamine is usually heavily cut tiletamine (since it is more potent than Ketamine per g). The easiest way to tell is how long lasting it is, if you are still coming down after 1.5 hours it is not ketamine (and SWIM is able to tell immediately by just taking a small bump).

You are not wrong in what you have been saying except that you are describing tiletamine. The easiest way to tell is the half life of the substance, after racemic you should be 100% back to normal after max 2 hours (although according to SWIM the K experience will seem like an eternity so you need to look at the time before and after), with S-isomer even shorter around 1 hour, Tiletamine is longer acting so 3-6 hours and you will usually feel groggy after it. Remember S-isomer began to be used recently in a medical setting because it is easier on humans than racemic and R-isomer and is more easily metabolised, so if this is not the case you can bet it is not S-isomer and since racemic is such a distinct experience you will know it's not that as well.

Oh and by the way, you can definitely dance on ketamine so long as youre not falling into a hole, or on the threshold. It's been a staple of my clubbing diet for years.
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No that is a description of tiletamine, anything beyond a bump (which varies depending on the person) and you are not dancing, it is with tiletamine that high doses can be taken and you can still be mobile even right up to the T-hole experience, which is inferior.

Oh isn't the internet wonderful. Every arsehole has an opinion. Some arseholes opinions are worth more than others.

I bow to your moronic convergence. (That's a Doonesbury joke, don't take it personally).

Tiletamine is incredibly bad for you, you're right about that. Which is why I wouldn't go near it.

Ketamine is a drug many people have different thresholds to. I have a friend who is a lightweight with most drugs, happens to be 6 feet tall and, erm, several stone, who needs an elephant dose of K to hole. I have a girlfriend who is hardcore with all the drugs she's taken with me except K, is 5 feet tall and weighs about the same as a crisp. 50mg of K will hole her.

But thanks for your opinion. Without sounding too conceited (which I'm obviously about to) I think you'll find most people on this board worth their salt will agree that with 35 years drug taking knowledge, I know what I'm on about. But yeah, thanks anyway.
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My post wasn't personal against you, I'm just sick and tired of people tauting S-isomer when it is Tiletamine, and you fell foul of this again by describing Tiletamine and calling it Ketamine. It's time to call a pig a pig, as you've succinctly clarified in both your posts it's also polluted the notion of what Ketamine and Ketamine experiences are (most young people in the UK are discussing Tiletamine calling it K) and since real Ketamine is a rarity these days it's time people renamed what is available as cut Tiletamine and took the discussion on from there, it has no place in a discussion of Ketamine. Beyond a bump (a bump being like you say variable for people but not that variable unless it's cut K) you will not be dancing with Ketamine, you will with Tiletamine even if you take significantly more right up to the T-Hole which is a shit experience and the added euphoria you will get is from the benzos which nearly always come with Tiletamine.
 
thespice said:
You are not wrong in what you have been saying except that you are describing tiletamine.
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How do you know that it's tiletamine? A lot of ketamine is submitted to wedinos for testing and this gives a a pretty good insight into what is sold on the UK ketamine market. There isn't a single tiletamine submission whatsoever. If tiletamine had been widely available then it would surely be documented on wedinos, but it isn't. What does that tell you? The only reason to suspect that tiletamine is widely available on the streets is because people such as myself, and others, have been making relatively baseless claims in threads such as this.

Just to reclarify, wedinos hasn't found any tiletamine, at all, and there is no evidence that we were ever sold tiletamine on a wide scale in the UK, other than online conjecture in the likes of this thread.

thespice said:
No that is a description of tiletamine, anything beyond a bump (which varies depending on the person) and you are not dancing, it is with tiletamine that high doses can be taken and you can still be mobile even right up to the T-hole experience, which is inferior.
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Your anecdotal claim about this is totally baseless and subjective. I've been doing ketamine for 13 years and I've danced on it loads of times. Obviously if I'm in another dimension then I might struggle to dance... At least in the normal western human sense. But that would go for any dissociative which put you in that kind of state. You can't just make a blanket statement about what other people can and can't do and expect it to wash.

thespice said:
when in fact what is sold in this country as ketamine is usually heavily cut tiletamine (since it is more potent than Ketamine per g)
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It's not a fact at all, and underlining it doesn't give you any more authority on the subject. It's an online supposition which is looking less and less likely.
 
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Thespice, I don't know how to get past your all-knowing subjectivity but imma just gonna re-emphasise....the experiences I'm talking about are not really recent (indeed it's been fucking ages since I had any K and for that reason alone feel myself above any tiletamine discussion) and the vast majority occurred during the 1990s when, as previously stated, I was lucky enough to be able to import ketamine from 100% bona fide sources in various parts of Asia.

The very first ketamine I took I shared with my gf. Being cautious, it was somewhere around the 50mg mark. My gf did a wonderful impersonation of a permanently paralysed person while I, on the same dose, danced around the room to Primal Scream. It remains to this day one of the best experiences my gf has had on drugs. And one where I was most jealous. It took me several attempts at building up the dose before I eventually holed. I have a natural tolerance. I have the same natural tolerance to Midazolam if that's any help. Ask my surgeons who try to pre-med me with it. "But we gave you enough to knock out an elephant, STOP jumping around on the bed!"

I really don't give a shit for your tiletamine talk or your isomer talk. I spent a sustained period taking pharmaceutical grade ketamine in the 90's (and early 2000s) to know what I'm talking about and yes, it grates just a bit when someone like you comes on here and tries to deny not only my reality but the reality of some of the finest chemists the world and this board (nod and a wink to past member) have known.

Nothing personal like.
 
I must be one of the few people that hate this stuff. Its the only drug i only took once and went never again. Even salvia i went back twice to make sure.

K was really dark, "mechanical" and i could not wait till it was out of my system.
 
I've never had ketamine - but it's definitely on my 'bucket list'. The closest I've had was MXE, and that was absolutely fantastic - a true gem of a drug...
 
F.U.B.A.R. said:
I've never had ketamine - but it's definitely on my 'bucket list'. The closest I've had was MXE, and that was absolutely fantastic - a true gem of a drug...
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I'm glad you edited that. Does ketamine really come out as Jermaine on whatever weird spellcheck you have on?

It comes out as tiletamine on mine.
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
I'm glad you edited that. Does ketamine really come out as Jermaine on whatever weird spellcheck you have on?

It comes out as tiletamine on mine.
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Ha, yes it did autocorrect to 'Jermaine'. Fuck knows why because I've never entered Jermaine (no, no, honest I haven't). Having said that, I've never entered 'tiletamine' either (until now...)
 
Hahaha people still believe that tiletamine myth, but then again, there was heroin in the e's back in the 90s
 
There was quite a lot of talk in the first thread about tiletamine when the k drought hit. I guess to explain the slightly different and shitty effects of the k around then.

I did have some dodgy batches then. One was the consistency of dpt, sort of like moist flour which gave me a headache every time I took it till I chucked it away. I had another which at the time I speculated was tiletamine that had some deeply dark mental effects and after I could walk again i felt like absolute shit for a couple of days and felt poisoned.

K from what I know is pretty difficult to synth. With legitimate labs closing down and more unofficial labs popping up the quality of the k was always going to go down. With more by products being left in the final product etc. I think was is happening now is the labs have nailed the formula or the grey market pharmaceutical labs have started up again.
 
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