Thespice, I don't know how to get past your all-knowing subjectivity but imma just gonna re-emphasise....the experiences I'm talking about are not really recent (indeed it's been fucking ages since I had any K and for that reason alone feel myself above any tiletamine discussion) and the vast majority occurred during the 1990s when, as previously stated, I was lucky enough to be able to import ketamine from 100% bona fide sources in various parts of Asia.
The very first ketamine I took I shared with my gf. Being cautious, it was somewhere around the 50mg mark. My gf did a wonderful impersonation of a permanently paralysed person while I, on the same dose, danced around the room to Primal Scream. It remains to this day one of the best experiences my gf has had on drugs. And one where I was most jealous. It took me several attempts at building up the dose before I eventually holed. I have a natural tolerance. I have the same natural tolerance to Midazolam if that's any help. Ask my surgeons who try to pre-med me with it. "But we gave you enough to knock out an elephant, STOP jumping around on the bed!"
I really don't give a shit for your tiletamine talk or your isomer talk. I spent a sustained period taking pharmaceutical grade ketamine in the 90's (and early 2000s) to know what I'm talking about and yes, it grates just a bit when someone like you comes on here and tries to deny not only my reality but the reality of some of the finest chemists the world and this board (nod and a wink to past member) have known.
Nothing personal like.
Look my crusade is not personal I just fucking hate fake K and Tiletamine, and the slimeballs who make money from polluting the market. I certainly don't take anything you say personally.
Furthermore I approach this whole subject as an anaesthetist would and if you are a medical outlier and require abnormal amounts of K to affect you, you shouldn't be advising people who make up the general population, most of whom in the last few years will be taking Tiletamine thinking it's K.
Tiletamine is a perfect substitute since it is much more potent than K per g, thus heavily cut makes more 2-3 times more money per g sold, it's still a dissociative although inferior, so let's dupe everyone by saying it's S-isomer when it simply isn't until everyone believes it to be standard K = in a sentence there we have the current state of the UK K market, call me a whistleblower.
The simple litmus test is this, after insulfating the supposed K are you still affected in anyway 2 hours later, if yes it's not Ketamine.
Tranced said:
Your anecdotal claim about this is totally baseless and subjective. I've been doing ketamine for 13 years and I've danced on it loads of times. Obviously if I'm in another dimension then I might struggle to dance... At least in the normal western human sense. But that would go for any dissociative which put you in that kind of state. You can't just make a blanket statement about what other people can and can't do and expect it to wash.
We're actually saying the same thing, since we are talking about what I call bump doses, you can dance with a bump dose but it's very easy to cross this threshold with pure K into barely making coherent movements same goes with S-isomer, racemic will however crush your ability to dance pretty fast. With tiletamine you are far less affected i.e. you can take a lot, be near the T-hole and still be able to walk around.
Tranced said:
A lot of ketamine is submitted to wedinos for testing and this gives a a pretty good insight into what is sold on the UK ketamine market. There isn't a single tiletamine submission whatsoever.
I don't know how the tests work, I do know they don't test for Tiletamine probably because it is not approved for human use whatsoever, I also know that any positive test for dissociatives in free drugs testing in Holland is all put under the umbrella of Ketamine, since it is geared at what people are bringing in from the street.
growit&smokeit said:
]I did have some dodgy batches then. One was the consistency of dpt, sort of like moist flour which gave me a headache every time I took it till I chucked it away. I had another which at the time I speculated was tiletamine that had some deeply dark mental effects and after I could walk again i felt like absolute shit for a couple of days and felt poisoned.
That last batch sounds very much like Telazol.
