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Dissociatives The Big & Dandy Eticyclidone / 2‘-Oxo-PCE Thread

Yeah it is all peripheral, with a sense of impending doom and only a lot of physical activity can fix it in my case. Lasts one day.
 
Well then. I've used something between 1 and 1.5g these last 2-3 weeks, in increments of rectal doses between 10 and 30mg. Returns eventually diminished, as obviously expected, and physical discomfort became prominent in the form of headaches, typically preceded by a metallic taste of sorts (vitamin B12 deficits? Just guessing, not a doctor..). Combination with tryptamines sometimes led to blackouts and intense experiences of "universal reset" which may or may not equate to holing, and rather defy description. Combination with alcohol has been notably free of negative consequences, though I must admit to tolerance in this regard. The combo with acid documented above has been the peak experience.

All in all, physical consequences have been of seemingly minor importance during the whole adventure, creeping dysphoria being the largest drawback, brushing too close to mental breakdown for comfort, having to deal with the embarrassment of having made a fool of myself all too often yet again. On the positive side, old hobbies left behind covered with negative associations were resuscitated. In concreto, there have been intensely insane cesspits of chess played these last couple of weeks.

Conclusion: bumpy ride, would repeat. Though this whole ordeal of pioneering crazy new chemical experiences fills me with a yearning for the simplicity of cannabis, which legal and cultural structures make so impractical to enjoy. Feeling pierced right on the edge of the fence here.
 
Chess on a high dose of a hole-inducing disso ? Now that's something new. =D

500mg per week is pretty reckless IMHO. Perhaps that is your style of celebrating something. But thanks for the info and good to read, that you are okay (despite the mental drain).

This creeping dysphoria you mentioned I get one day after intake. I don't have a pharmacological explanation for it, though, as this compound should be particularly selective for the NMDA-receptor (opposed to 3-MeO-PCE/PCP, which I thought would have more versatile receptor affinities). It also feels that way.
 
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Yes, life hasn't been faring in the spirit of harm reduction lately. I have a group DMT flush planned later this month, so it's in this context I'm rather recklessly indulging. Replicate the described behavioural patterns at your own risk.

I posit though that there is something to be said for going for what feels right, rather than maximizing health, health in the sense of the summum of principles extracted through science and laid upon oneself as greatest common denominator virtue. Of course that's a discussion beyond the scope of this forum.

Here's an example of a dissociated chess game. Just to show that the aforementioned headaches might be mediated through rather insane situational circumstances rather than attributable directly to the 2-oxo-pce. :)

Edit: Maybe this will work. Internet to the rescue! I had the black pieces.
 
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I only played chess as a child. I know its a shame. Which is the best entry game, that also explaines advanced strategies (more than castlings). Did you perceive any mental enhancements during the game ? I feel mentally pretty sober on that compound. Moreso than on psychedelics at least.
 
This is the Eticyclidone thread; "O-PCM" would be Meticyclidone, better known as Deschloroketamine (DCK, 2'-Oxo-PCM).
 
Well there were mental enhancements in the sense that it keeps mood stable in circumstances so disgusting they would otherwise turn off cognition, but other than that I'd like to reinvoke that image of an anvil to the head! ;)

But it's still better than psychedelics, yes. The corners of the chessboard squares need not to be wiggling all over the place, with infinity showing itself in the grain of wood. I still want to look whether there's a nootropic sweet spot with microdosing acid though, where creativity is enhanced without hopelessly scrambling the visual field.

I imagine stimulants to be more suited to boost performance in chess, but I'm just not interested in chess when I'm on stimulants. Barring caffeine.

I'm happy to answer that first question of yours, but I'm afraid I can't understand it. Could you please rephrase?
 
My question was, whether you know a good chess video game, that explains advanced tactics. ;) Sorry for the crippled expression. =D
 
So last week I tried this lovely new dissociative RC. Had some pretty sweet experiences with this so far. Reminds me a lot of MXE, but less stimulating. It gave me the same feeling of flying, but not much CEV's or anthing. This could be because of my tolerance to dissociatives. Works almost like a sedative painkiller, with some mild stimulation in the beginning and lots of dissociative wobbliness. Main effects last about 4 to 6 hours for me, with a lot of residual aftereffects, lasting to the next day and half. Very heavy bodyfeeling, as if gravity itself was multiplied. I kind of love it so far. Very moreish in my experience, but definitely not for everyday use. Kind of hard to nail the dose down with quite some tolerance. I think around 25-30 mg insufflated is my sweet spot. Maybe next time I'll try oral instead of insufflated to see if there's a big difference in ROA. I must admit, after pushing this one for four days, it made me somewhat apathic and slightly down.

Most lovely part of the experience was the feeling of being wrapped in a soft cotton ball while laying in my bed. Very enjoyable to say the least. The euphoria for me is also a big turn on. I was laying in bed and near the end of the experience after higher dosing I felt like heaven. The only down part is that the experience isn't very rewarding. It feels very nice, but there is no edge to it... It just gives this great feeling without any sort of profound epiphany dissociatives tend to give me. Maybe this is because of my dissociative tolerance to ketamine. I feel like this one works on some different levels of neurotransmittors. Great chemical nonetheless. I would love to combine it with other psychedelics and dissociatives.
 
This shit is very psychedelic at high doses, eye opening i would say, but almost non visual. Great mood booster at low doses, especially when mixed with low doses of 4-aco-dmt. Potentiates stimulants like nobody's business.

Bottom line: body load, comedown
 
I haven't tried PCP yet, so I can't comment on your question.

However I have combined it with ketamine, makes it even more wobbly and gives some hallucinations. Even the day after when smoking weed was pretty trippy, like a light N2O trip. Great chemical, terrible comedown. Not too intense, but it just makes me lazy as fuck. Though the pleasant moodlift continues in the days after for me if you're not using it for days on end. Reminds me of DXM in that way.
 
3-MeO-PCP is considered to be pretty pharmacologically similar to PCP, fwiw... haven't tried PCP to confirm that but there you have it.

Is PCE existant there then? If so, that's interesting.. it sounds pretty stimulating. 3-MeO-PCE is pretty freaking manic I can tell you, if 3-MeO-PCP is so similar to PCP, possibly 3-MeO-PCE is quite close to PCE.
Why does it have to be like PCP rather than just a promising dissociative? 3-MeO-PCP definitely has promise anyway.

I think the distinction between hallucinogen and dissociative is faulty.
 
Finally tried this one. I´m pretty experienced with dissociatives and tried MXE, Ephenidine, 3-MeO-PCP, 3-MeO-PCE, Ketamine, DXM and MXP.

O-PCE rocks! So far the closest to MXE. Started with 10mg and redosed 5mg at +1:00 and +2:00. Got some mild dissociative tolerance and the dosage was just fine to chill out, watch simpsons and relax. Vaped some weed during, which greatly boosted the O-PCE. Music sounds lovely on this one. Wish you were here by Pink Floyd was fabulous to listen to. The bodyload was pretty MXE-like.

At +4:00 a friend surprisingly visited me. Social interaction was no problem, we vaped some weed and had a few beers, great fun.

Overall I really love this new compound.
 
Anyone got experience with o-pce + ketamine? Just did a 19mg line of o-pce and got 3x25mg Ketamine and 1x 10mg o-pce ready as a booster.
do those substances contribute to the same hole?
 
I am pretty sure I have done ket on top of o pce. I always just figured ot was one "hole". Even when i have 4-5 chems pulling me out "there", even though they fight a little sometimes, its always more of a combo of the same thing than 4 different directions.

I think I am going to get 500mg of this soon. Was thinking 250 o pce and 250mg 3 me pce, but I am broke and what I have read doesnt entice me to be spendy with 3 meo pce
 
250mg of O-PCE? Is that a typo? Isn't this compound fully active around 20mg-40mg?
Never tried it myself but your dose sounds way high, even with a tolerance.
 
I meant aquire. Its either 500mg o pce and maybe.a tid bit of something else or 250mg o pce and 250mg 3 meo pce.
 
yeah it was a cool experience (ketamine + o-pce for clarification), but I found that the o-pce kind of "dulled" the experience...
now I am currently trying 16mg 4-ho-met and will add some k later on, I actually think 4-aco-dmt would work
as well in this combo, but i think I will keep that for another time!

//well that was weird. it was my first time mixing psychs + ketamine and boy, this was spacey. I cant even put this in
proper words. I wasn't seeing any shaped forms or anything, more of a dusty cloud being. idk. the body feeling was ORGASMIC,
but I was nowhere near my body to take advantage of that. wierd, that I am "back to baseline" after only 2:30h... I typed "back to baseline" before
closing my eyes and seing some fractals, I think some ket would bump this up. see you around ;)
 
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To semi derail a bump of K at 12am turned into larger line after larger line culminating in 30mg plugged mxe and 100mg K about 5am.

Took like 7mg etiz to knock me out by 8am. Add im the 5 beers and two hours sleep and im hungover as shit. Need to work on my car. Solution, hit a pizza buffet, get a 4 loko, take 5mg o pce and soldier on. Fuck it.
 
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