Television Game of Thrones

[axl blaze]

I think everyone knew Cersei was going to blow the shit outta everybody with dat wildfire, still was satisfying to see play out, however...

I feel like the writers swiftly cut out a lot of fat these last 2 episodes ~ killing off heaps of characters/plots ~ so they can justly focus on the upcoming Dany + Dragons + Ironborn invasion / White Walkers invasion. usually this would be a call to arms to complain, but they pulled it off pretty well IMVHO

well we all know this season surpassed the books & while the TV show was good enough, I am happy to note that I get the feeling that the books are going to divert from the show, starting now, pretty drastically/adamantly. actually that is a very good thing, cuz it will not ruin my book-readin' experience and TBH the sample chapters that GRRM has released for the new novel seems lit AF, fam

the books are clearly establishing Euron Greyjoy as the next biggest bad (think Ramsay to the 10th power) ~ yet it seems that Euron isn't as established in the TV shows (I watch only sporadically on the tube). there are some epic fucking fan theories on how Euron is going to wreck shit (think summoning a kraken @ Oldtown, think desroying the Wall with the Horn of Joramund (sp?), think destroying the White Walkers & taking them over & becoming King... WTF? no check it out & Google the Eldritch Conspiracy, pretty fascinating stuff that wasn't really thought of twice until GRRM's latest chapter leak a couple weeks ago ~

but my point is I'm predicting TV show Euron to be responsible for the Wall coming down. IIRC the Wall is instilled w/ magicks to keep out undead folks, so this is how they get to Westeros IMO

 

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The season finale was pure wish-fulfillment for fans. I seem to be the only one bothered by this, just as I was bothered by the Breaking Bad series finale. It was too satisfying. BB and GoT are essentially tragedies, and the viewer needs to be discomfited, as one is discomfited at the end of Hamlet or Macbeth. This is what Oz tried to pull off in its finale, albeit in a ham-handed way. This is what the Sopranos hinted at but was too cagey to depict.

I think the creators will realize this, and the pain felt at the end of season 5 will pale in comparison to the desolation that is to come.

 

[FnX]

The season finale was pure wish-fulfillment for fans. I seem to be the only one bothered by this, just as I was bothered by the Breaking Bad series finale. It was too satisfying. BB and GoT are essentially tragedies, and the viewer needs to be discomfited, as one is discomfited at the end of Hamlet or Macbeth. This is what Oz tried to pull off in its finale, albeit in a ham-handed way. This is what the Sopranos hinted at but was too cagey to depict.

I think the creators will realize this, and the pain felt at the end of season 5 will pale in comparison to the desolation that is to come.

Breaking Bad struck a gold vein by making it progressively harder to familiarize with the protagonist and making the watcher uncomfortable. A lot imitators popped up afterwards and personally I got bored of seeing the mediocre repetition of the same elements again and again (I believe it set a few trends in fact, not that the concept was something new and revolutionary just like you mentioned in your examples) because someone pulled it off very good.

 

[pharmakos]

Rewatching old seasons, and man Arya and The Hound together was some of the best shit.

That is all.

 

[Just A Guy]

^Agreed. I immensely enjoyed their pseudo-partnership.

 

[axl blaze]

agreed. the Hound was just the best. the man loves chicken, and I can get down with that

so happy they brought him back. so happy they brought us back to the Brother Without Banners. really dig Berric & Thoros even more (great story of being a failure, then succeeding). so happy they didn't bring in Lady Stoneheart

 

[alasdairm]

Rewatching old seasons, and man Arya and The Hound together was some of the best shit.

my roommate has been watching it with a friend who's seeing it for the first time. theyre early in season 3 and i've been rewatching some of it with them. i agree that the arya/hound thread is great - i also remember really enjoying their journey together in the books...

alasdair

 

[pharmakos]

i'll get around to the books one of these days.







lol that could be a quote from GRRM on finishing the series.

 

[alasdairm]

^ lol.

i can highly recommend the books - so much more detail.

alasdair

 

[axl blaze]

they're amazing. the characters are the best parts of GoT, it really fleshes them out. as with GRRM almost even too much, so many loose threads here in the plot. perhaps even more than the Sparrows & Tyrells will be @ Great Sept of Baelor, when Cerseo decodes to wildfire??

I can't wait for the new book. I'm a huge Euron Greyjoy fan (dude is terrifiying and their are some good GoT conspiracies goin' on with him for even the show) and the sample chapters are better

GOTshow treated Stannis like a lil bitch. so much better in the books

but the show is damn good. rewatching some scenes and this is what caught my eye as such a good fight scene:



season 5

I like the parallel with White Walkers, and how the wildlings are now allies. it's like our humanity constantly squabbles over some petty bullshit, but nearby lurks the real threat - and they are going to wreck our shit soon

 

[Lysis]

I highly recommend rewatching all episodes. I'm doing it right now. You catch things that you probably didn't catch before. I'm trying to think of examples. For instance, the witch that tells Cersei all her kids die. I didn't catch that because I thought she meant all her kids would rule. There are others but I can't remember. My sister thinks John Snow is really Robert Baratheon's kid because of dark hair and the fact that John Aryn was investigating kids with his features. She brought up a good point that Snow is dark haired and the first season kept saying that all Baratheon kids were dark haired. The Mad King's kids are blonde.

 

[axl blaze]

but it was proven that Jon Snow is R + L = J

think about the Tower of Joy in the books. Jon's mom is Lyanna Stark and his dad is Rhaegar

I know this showGoT but I swear GRRM will write the same in bookGoT

and yeah, I am rewatching most lil clips from the show. it was a trip watching Season 1 as I remember watching it so many years ago, and then picking up the books right after

 

[pharmakos]

there's an HBO infographic (from makingofgot.com or w/e the website is) that shows the connections between all the characters from before the show started... and it lists Rhaegar and Lyanna as Jon's parents.

so yeah, its official, at least from HBO.

 

[Lysis]

hmmm ok. I thought it was a good theory. That would also make it possible for Dany and John to get together instead of being brother and sister. :D

I was also thinking it was a good theory since Malisandra followed John Snow after Stannis. She left of course, so I'm wondering if she will go search out Dany or another "king."

 

[pharmakos]

Jon is Dany's nephew, Rhaegar was her brother.

Incest is okay in the Targaryen family but I doubt Jon would go for it. ¶=

 

[Lysis]

I'm rewatching it and reading theories. Cool theories on why the nights King is interested in Jon snow. Can't remember them all but Google.

Also saw the episode about the iron throne. Since only valerian steal can kill them the theory is that the iron throne will be used for weapons against the white walkers.

Also read a theory where it was said by the wildlings that a stark must always be at winterfell. The theory is that since it fell that it's the reason white walkers are making a move.

 

[Pill2Chill]

God that last episode made me jizz my pants, three times. Probably even more. SO many epic moments.
The sept thingy obviously, "the king of the north!", arya's little assassination, and cersei's coronation. Then of course danaerys' fleet sailing to westeros was another jizz moment.

5 times. Damn, that was some epic television.

I highly recommend rewatching all episodes. I'm doing it right now. You catch things that you probably didn't catch before. I'm trying to think of examples. For instance, the witch that tells Cersei all her kids die. I didn't catch that because I thought she meant all her kids would rule. There are others but I can't remember. My sister thinks John Snow is really Robert Baratheon's kid because of dark hair and the fact that John Aryn was investigating kids with his features. She brought up a good point that Snow is dark haired and the first season kept saying that all Baratheon kids were dark haired. The Mad King's kids are blonde.

I had the same idea, but it's been debunked. Jon Arryn's "the seed is strong" on his deathbed + baratheons being dark haired made for a decent theory, I guess.

But nope, another Targaryen roams the realm. He was close to his grandfathers uncle (or whatever the fuck he was), Maester Aemon, without even knowing they were family. Struck me as ironic.

 

[axl blaze]

so we've talked about how strong GoT's characters & characterizations are

the Hound, Arya, Thoros of Myr, & Berid Dondarrion were all brought up as some BL fan faves...

any others??

man I've always been a HUGE Tormond Giantsbane fan!

 

[pharmakos]

i really hope Jorah Mormont cures his grayscale. he's one of my favorite characters. awesome redemption arc.

 

[axl blaze]

gotta love Jorah "friendzone" Mormont. actually all of the Bear Island Morms are fucking awesome - from Lord Commander of Night's Watch Mormont, to lil Lyanna Mormont (rookie of the year!!)

for some reason, I was never that interested in Dany's Essos arc (I just really wanted her to stop putzing around in Mereen & cross the Narrow Sea, god dammit!). but the one thing that kept my interest in her goings about, besides fucking dragons, were her strong supporting cast in Mormont, Daario Naharis, Grey Worm, Missandei (so so so fucking hot OMG), Barristan Mother Fucking Selmy, and now the best of all - Tyrion Lannister!

re: redemption arc & GoT. I was thinking on this today, as I was driving around, actually. GRRM has crafted some infitinely interesting "redemption" type characters. mostly they are (only qualifications are they have to be alive) Jorah, Theon Greyjoy, & the Kingslayer

I've expressed my interest & love for House Greyjoy, and most specifically Theon, a couple times in this thread (freakin' LOVE Euron & also Asha). Theon could be the most interesting character going forward in these next 2 seasons, alone. I loved when he admitted I am not fit to rule quite sheepishly in front of Dany & Asha - two powerful women, for sure! helluva contrast between Season 1 & 2 Theon, the cocky & miscalculating blunder of an Ironman...

really excited for these last 2 seasons anybody dig any other minorish characters that ain't been brought up yet??