Dissociatives The Big & Dandy 3-MeO-PCE Thread

[Shamandrums]

Ha, I wouldn't even call if off topic, for dissociatives lend themselves to experiencing and acknowledging absurdly improbable alignments of events..there is a word for it called 'apophenia'. It's funny how so many people equate the word 'chaos' to randomness or noise, but in fact 'chaos' is defined as a pattern so complex that it can't be decoded by practical means, so it appears to be noise or randomness. The definition of apophenia is the propensity to make connections to 'random' occurances, but to me the word is more referring to seeing actual patterns in the chaos rather than the delusional perception of patterns in noise or randomness.

As for your experience of feeling like your body was being intuitively moved in ways beyond your understanding (indeed you were likely performing movements akin to the art of Qi Gong), I have experienced that so many times, and many times with observers that had the same reaction as your observer. My belief is that our higher power is decoding patterns within chaos rather than making out patterns that don't actually exist.

Apologies if I didn't explain that clearly enough, I'm still working out the right combination of words to explain the phenomenon.

Thanks for your work on this set of topics...Delicious Indeed. "Our higher power is decoding patterns within chaos..." is a very wild statement & deep insight at once.

 

[vortech]

So I promised I would get back to this thread with the results of my drug test lab work. I did the test on Monday after 'researching' a significant amount of 3-meo-pce as well as about 10mg of O-PCE in the previous 4 days...the lab work came back negative for phencyclidine as well as all other substances. This is in no way conclusive evidence, and I also want to stress that it is an in-depth test. It may start with a simple urine dipstick type test and if anything comes back positive I think they perform a more specific type of analysis to determine if anything was a false positive. Once again I am not concluding anything regarding this subject, only giving my anecdotal experience.

 

[bjznoviskey]

Attempted a second go at this one, ~25mg inusfflated. Not a whole lot after two or so hours, went to bed. The Zzzquil I took to go to sleep got me more off baseline, sadly. There was a hint of something for the two hours but never came to fruition, I really hope my tolerance hasn't gotten this high cause I'm not seeing what everyone else is on about. While give it another chance soon, probably bump it up to 35-40mg

 

[dustbunny_]

I subjectively agree, that 3-MeO-PCE must have a much higher sERT-affinity than 3-MeO-PCP. I only get difficult comedowns (guess that is not unusual) after ingestion of serotonergic compounds. Even the day after taking medium doses of 5ht2-x - agonists I feel somewhat groggy.

The days after high doses of dopaminergic/adrenergic stimulants I only feel tired, but not bad. The same was the case after low dose - intakes of 3-MeO-PCP. Never felt a real comedown.

But when after I have taken low doses of 3-MeO-PCE (5-10mg orally and insufflated) I always felt pretty burnt out the next day. So in my book this compound comes with the risk of loosing a day.

The PCP-version was much more functional and also was rather comedown-free for me. So it was much more utilizable for me than the PCE-counterpart.

No reason to assume, the research has been done- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3602154/table/pone-0059334-t002/

There's no "much (higher)", though, as you can see it is close. Can also see that 3-MeO-PCE and MXE don't hit exactly the same receptors either.

Study- http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3602154/

 

[Help?!?!]

Yes, 3-MeO-PCE is much more sertoningenic than 3-MeO-PCP and MXE.

 

[bjznoviskey]

You guys are way too impatient. The come up can be up to 3 hours insufflated....

That may be a bit of an overstatement.

My partner and I insufflated 41mg and 38mg resepectively, came up with first effects probably within 15 minutes at most, full effects in less than an hour. Each of us redosed an hour after first dose with another 20mg insufflated. Finally was able to see what this stuff has to offer. Pretty lucid stuff, nice euphoric glow throughout and afterglow morning after.

Has the one property of MXE no other disso has given me(except maybe 2-OXO-PCE to a smaller degree), and that's full musical hallucinations. I'm talking full deep music, it's usually different each time, my fiance hears saxophones a lot, probably cause she loves them. Last night I heard what I'd call a combination of blues and deep house garage-esque with rap lyrics, how I wish I could reproduce it, an absolute banger.

The CEV's when I was going to sleep were very unique too, kind of flashing colors interspersed with landscapes, kind of similar to the Doctor Strange trailer, likely cause I just it the other day. But I've had similar vision, flying through landscapes and space with MXE.

I had almost written this one off as all my doses I'd been playing it cautious and staying under 25mg and feeling much of nothing, or thought I had bunk. After this I'm a bit upset I'm out now. That being said my tolerance is obviously a smidge higher than normal, considering what others where giving as doses.

I'm a fan now, can't wait to get more

 

[Ziiirp]

I really like the effects of this substance.

An informal description of the effects for me would be : The mental effects are like on good weed minus the confusion/paranoia (low-medium dose, no tolerance), the physical effects are also similar to weed. Another description would be : "It is the calm and sometimes sedating version of 4-HO-MET", although the compounds are completely unrelated pharmacologically.

I have to add, that when applied orally, the physical effects are more pronounced and it is more sedating while insufflated it also can be stimulating and physically imperceivable. Feels almost like different drugs via the different ROA.

Also today, the day after, the usual after effects (serotonine rebound) are not pronounced at all. I feel slightly more tired than usual, but thats it (until now).

 

[Help?!?!]

That's awesome! Sounds really similar to MXE in that light as insufflation is stimulating whereas oral/pretty much any other is sedating! I also like the comparisons to other chemicals as you chose quite interestingly!

 

[Fug]

I really need to give this one another go - I only ever had one experience in which I stupidly dosed an eyeballed amount and got straight into bed (somehow thought I'd be able to sleep and get to college the next morning...).

I was quite used to 3-meo-pcp at the time, and thought it'd be similar enough. So I found out the hard way that it was more psychedelic/stimulating for me.

I laid in bed, desperately wishing I was asleep / panicking about the fact I still wasn't asleep and I had so much to important shit to do the next day. I remember nothing pleasing about the high whatsoever. I was just in a state of panic from my own stupidity and thinking I could non-chalantly dose an obscure dissociative.

When morning came, I looked totally disheveled, my brain felt like it had been twisted apart, there was no afterglow or anything. Just felt fried and sleep deprived. So off to class I went, people commented on how fucked up I looked.

Oddly enough, I ended up using a mixture of Ethylphenidate and heroin in the toilets on campus and that's what it took to get me through the day (and stop people commenting on what a mess I looked...).

So yeah, i'd like to experience this one properly and not in the worst possible way

 

[Ziiirp]

Classic train-wreck

(I hope) I'm too old for this, although I eyeballed often lately.

 

[Ziiirp]

That's awesome! Sounds really similar to MXE in that light as insufflation is stimulating whereas oral/pretty much any other is sedating! I also like the comparisons to other chemicals as you chose quite interestingly!

Weird thing is, insufflated 3-meo-pce is the number one drug for me, that enforces me to clean up. Not even stimulants make me do it (because on stimulants I usually get projects done, it is a priority thing I guess).

Yesterday I first took an oral dose and chilled all day. Felt like vacation. At t+12h I took a tiny amount in the nose and I started cleaning up a good bit one hour later. It happened all the 3 times that I took this substance insufflated.

I guess I start a cleaning company and dose my employees daily with insufflated 3-meo-PCE.

 

[bjznoviskey]

Stimulating with insufflation? I didn't find that at all, at the body was very good, very reminiscent of the MXE high.

And the comparison to 4-HO-MET makes no sense to me at all, I don't think it's very apropos

 

[bjznoviskey]

Stimulating with insufflation? I didn't find that at all, at the body was very good, very reminiscent of the MXE high.

And the comparison to 4-HO-MET makes no sense to me at all, I don't think it's very apropos

 

[Help?!?!]

Why 3-MeO-PCE is fairly psychedelic and is sedating while for me(and I'm assuming Zipper too)4-HO-MET can be stimulating... If he would've said, "Shit this is just like tripping on 4-HO-MET!". Then I would've not liked it but he simply draws parallels between to different chemicals...

 

[MSK]

That's awesome! Sounds really similar to MXE in that light as insufflation is stimulating whereas oral/pretty much any other is sedating! I also like the comparisons to other chemicals as you chose quite interestingly!

I find that this is true for all the dissos I tried, 3-meo-pcp, 2-oxo-pce, 2-oxo-pcm and mxe feels more stimulant and less dissociative when snorted.

 

[Help?!?!]

Me too. I remember I was one of the first people in the US to get MXE on this huge dead RC forum. Only TRs were FnB's and maybe one or two others. Knew MXE would be a good bit more potent then ketamine but thought it was over stated because the first night I tried it, I ended up snorting 125-150 mgs doing 15-25mg bumps over the course of three or so hours, and was extremely functional. If I would've eaten that amount I would've been holing like a mother fucker!

 

[MSK]

Me too. I remember I was one of the first people in the US to get MXE on this huge dead RC forum. Only TRs were FnB's and maybe one or two others. Knew MXE would be a good bit more potent then ketamine but thought it was over stated because the first night I tried it, I ended up snorting 125-150 mgs doing 15-25mg bumps over the course of three or so hours, and was extremely functional. If I would've eaten that amount I would've been holing like a mother fucker!

Can you believe I was snorting my MXE for nearly 3 years, and never thought about eating it? I feel so stupid now that I tried oral route with the new PCP brothers, oral is way fucking better!!!!! Soooooo many MXE lost into my sinusses when I could be holing every fucking day I also was snorting MXE like it was ketamine, grams gone everyday... Fuck, I'm glad they banned it and that I'm managing to be in control with all those new ones on the fridge ^^ Let's see when the next infinite binge happens... 3-MeO-PCP is so tempting that I might ask my housemate to keep it for me...

EDIT: Just snorted 10mg of 3-MeO-PCP... I must stay away from reading bluelight >.< How much I can lie to myself? xD On my defense I must say tomorrow I need to work, and an oral dose was no doable

 

[Mondeva]

EDIT: Just snorted 10mg of 3-MeO-PCP... I must stay away from reading bluelight >.< How much I can lie to myself? xD On my defense I must say tomorrow I need to work, and an oral dose was no doable

MSK: then... do you find the duration to be much shorter when you snort it than when you do it orally? In my limited experiments, I could not say it for sure, though in my case it was sublingual (not oral) versus insufflated.

(sorry for the off-topic, I know this is the 3-MEO-PCE thread, but I guess my question could theorically apply to both substances)

 

[Help?!?!]

I'm not MSK but I can tell you that any ROA that causes a chemical to enter the brain faster will always leave faster as well. Sometimes to certain ROA's such as IV/etc can cause different formations of metabolites to form which have different HL's in comparison. IE, herion IV causes more 3-MAM(maybe 6-MAM can't remember)to form and diacteylmorphine actually enters the brain whereas it won't via insufflation other ROAs.

 

[Ziiirp]

Stimulating with insufflation? I didn't find that at all, at the body was very good, very reminiscent of the MXE high.

And the comparison to 4-HO-MET makes no sense to me at all, I don't think it's very apropos

Different coke, different stroke.