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Ohio State psychiatrist says drug addicts are no longer the people you love

Kittycat5 said:
Theyve done that in the lab too and what do you know, animals dont choose drugs.
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ro4eva said:
I know right? Turns out that if you at least try to facilitate a comforting place for the ratunkies to live their lives, they have an unsettling tendency to stop dosing well before a lethal amount is consumed. Mind = blown.
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Wait guys we need to clear this up I think.

Its my understanding we have at least two very different studies that's results seem to get unjustly entangled.

The first study was done awhile back. It involved rodents who had a electrical implant wired into the dopamine reward pathway. This was also done to at least one human. It's my understanding that the rodent had to be removed from the ability to engage the implant or it would have died of starvation. The human had similar results.


The second one is the Hart experiment. This was conducted with a choice between regular water and opiate laced water and differences in living conditions.

I think they are both very valid.
 
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Maybe the story was a bit poorly written. Made it seem like they were shocking the rats to death. No link to work either, if they exist.

I think results are valid but even the quotes from the experts are like quotes for the most drug ignornant person.
 
Yeah, I wonder why the media acts like nobody has ever taken a drug before and must spoonfeed it to us?
I know they arent always credible but will write stories about shit without watering down some basic facts.
 
You know what guys/gals fuckit.

Lets backtrack to paragraph 12 of the article in question, there lies my problem with it.
 
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No. The one suggesting writing off loved ones (sons and/or daughters)

I need to know what other parents think.
 
It is said: The water in the river you cross today, is not the same water you crossed the day before.

Through tribulation people change. Noone wakes up the same everyday. You learn as you go. Of course your family members are different from one day to the next, but then again so are you. This is no reason to write them off for that.
 
I cant believe any scientist has the nerve to bring back the drugs put holes in your brain theory that has been debunked over and over again. At least bring some original scare tactics to the game.
 
cj said:
I cant believe any scientist has the nerve to bring back the drugs put holes in your brain theory that has been debunked over and over again. At least bring some original scare tactics to the game.
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Yeah I pretty much felt the same way upon reading it. It's as if the piece was unofficially dedicated to Nancy "Just Say No" Reagen who only recently passed away.

I vividly recall seeing Nancy on television stating that drug users are committing the murder of innocent bystanders by way of purchasing street drugs. And to this day, it still upsets me because - based on her brilliant logic - I'm left wondering how many murders she's committed as a result of spending a small fortune on all that jewelry of hers, of which a significant portion contained / still contains conflict diamonds, emeralds and other gemstones.

Above virtually all else (with the exception of pedophilia due to the unfortunate fact that I was sexually molested as a child by a "loving" uncle), I simply can't stand two-faced bigots who have such an unspeakable amount of innocent blood on their hands as a consequence of their hard-line prohibitionist stance.

People like Nancy remind me that I'd much rather spend my time supporting a rough-around-the-edges sinner than a well-polished hypocrite.
 
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Just say no as her husband signed legislation to allow DTC ads on drugs. Fucking hypocrite.
 
manboychef said:
I don't just say no, I'm to busy saying "yeah!"
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Reminded me of the scene in The Wire, in Season 2, where the police arrested everyone down in the pit following the accidental death of a 9-year old boy from a stray bullet.

-man, I'm clean!
-what are you doing in the pit then?
-saying no to drugs!
-well, don't just say no to drugs. Say "no, thank you!"

Dunno why it reminded me of that.
 
belligerent drunk said:
Reminded me of the scene in The Wire, in Season 2, where the police arrested everyone down in the pit following the accidental death of a 9-year old boy from a stray bullet.

-man, I'm clean!
-what are you doing in the pit then?
-saying no to drugs!
-well, don't just say no to drugs. Say "no, thank you!"

Dunno why it reminded me of that.
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I've put off for years now not watching The Wire. Am I missing out on HBO's finest or what?
 
manboychef said:
It is said: The water in the river you cross today, is not the same water you crossed the day before.

Through tribulation people change. Noone wakes up the same everyday. You learn as you go. Of course your family members are different from one day to the next, but then again so are you. This is no reason to write them off for that.
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This is true. But I also have a problem with the statement about an addict no longer being a loved one or family member. If my brother were to become an addict within the next month, that absolutely does not change the fact that he is my brother. My best friend was (and still is, to an extent) a drug addict, and I loved him the entire time. He changed, but our relationship was just as strong. Everyone changes, not just addicts, and it doesn't mean they are not still the people you know and love.

The statement the scientist made dehumanizes drug addicts, and I was honestly very aggravated by it; he shouldn't be so one-sided, as a man of science.
 
Everyone is missing the point on that. He is not saying he is not your brother but a changed person that you must realize is no longer at fault for his addiction.
 
Kittycat5 said:
Everyone is missing the point on that. He is not saying he is not your brother but a changed person that you must realize is no longer at fault for his addiction.
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I have to say for myself, it took taking responsibility for my actions in order to break free from the cycle of addiction...and it is a pretty strong cycle.
 
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