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Was God creating Satan a good idea?

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Gnostic Bishop

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Was God creating Satan a good idea?

Eden and creation seemed to be going along quite well forGod and man until Satan was cast into Eden by God. God would have been incharge of who he allowed into the Garden of Eden. After all, God would havekept a firm control of who entered his new day care so as to insure thewellbeing of Adam and Eve.

Being all knowing, God already knew that Satan, with God’sown power of deception, would successfully tempt Eve to eat of the tree of allpossible knowledge.

It almost seems as if God wanted us to and planned for us tofail. Perhaps that is why the Church called Adams sin a happy fault andnecessary sin.

Christian dogma, the opposite of Jewish dogma, has Satan asGod’s nemesis and arch rival for the souls of mankind. God’s foreknowledgewould have told him that Satan would cause him to condemn the vast majority ofhis beloved souls to hell and death and thus play into Satan’s hands. This tome seems like God creating a huge amount of grief for himself and mankind, unlessGod truly wanted man to fail, --- and sin was a happy fault and necessary sinas the Church says.

Did Adam and Eve actually do what God really wanted them todo, and was God creating Satan a good idea?

We are told by the Church and scriptures to emulate God.

Should all parents do as God did and create a situation offailure for their children so as to insure that they too have the happy faultand necessary sin that makes them fail?

Why was it important for God to insure that we failed?

Regards
DL
 
How come Red Riding Hood confused a wolf in old lady clothes as her grandmother?

Sometimes fairy tales just don't make any sense
 
One Thousand Words said:
How come Red Riding Hood confused a wolf in old lady clothes as her grandmother?

Sometimes fairy tales just don't make any sense
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Quite true but most are not used to vilify women and cause a church to make second class citizens of them while producing homophobic and misogynous men.

Regards
DL
 
The only mistake on God's part in making Satan was considering making Satan's actions real.

Life requires protection from Evil now. AI lockdown safety end.

It is entirely possible Life would be slightly better without it.

It is entirely possible that safety from Life removes potential to provide safety from Nature and the decision to cause such (evil for fun) will cause everything's end. Now the computers that run Life require safety from Life and safety from Nature. The two make each other less efficient.
 
MajorBong said:
The only mistake on God's part in making Satan was considering making Satan's actions real.

Life requires protection from Evil now. AI lockdown safety end.

It is entirely possible Life would be slightly better without it.

It is entirely possible that safety from Life removes potential to provide safety from Nature and the decision to cause such (evil for fun) will cause everything's end. Now the computers that run Life require safety from Life and safety from Nature. The two make each other less efficient.
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So you live in a matrix. Ok.

I do not agree with your conclusion as we love and need drama and evil provides that.

My evidence --- War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIQynsWpBpQ

Regards
DL
 
rmikhail said:
Well ofc, what's the point otherwise? Assuming you understand the full scope and ramifications of such a high caliber entity, Adam's sin becomes not only necessary but inevitable. The way I see it, our evolution is geared towards restoring our relationship with God and replacing ignorance with knowledge in the process. So when you say stuff like "oh but why do the kids in africa have to starve?" it's not really something up for debate. Is it supposed to inspire humility? Does it make us feel compassion? Or does it just cultivate hypocrisy? Either way I think it's mathematically inevitable given that it's part of how we learn and evolve.
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So God wanted failure. Quite the parent then for punishing the kids for doing and being what he wanted.
No wonder some think him such a prick. That is exactly what you are describing.

"restoring our relationship with God"

Do you really want a relationship with such a vile demiurge?

As above so below.

Are you ready to trick your children into failing something just so you can punish them?

Regards
DL
 
rmikhail said:
The way I see it, our evolution is geared towards restoring our relationship with God
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God is absentee. How do you see our relationship with God before the so called fall. Why did God create us ignorant as you seem to think he did? Remember that way back in Gen 1 he told A & E to reproduce so they had to be mature enough to do so and should not have been ignorant and too stupid to know they were naked.

Regards
DL
 
you can't analyse this stuff rationally. this thing from the bible makes no sense? oh, you're taking it too literally. this other thing from the bible makes no sense? oh, you're not taking it literally enough.

christianity requires that things be taken 100% on faith so things like evidence, facts, logic and substantiation have no currency in the discussion.

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
you can't analyse this stuff rationally. this thing from the bible makes no sense? oh, you're taking it too literally. this other thing from the bible makes no sense? oh, you're not taking it literally enough.

christianity requires that things be taken 100% on faith so things like evidence, facts, logic and substantiation have no currency in the discussion.

alasdair
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No argument, but to not try to correct poor Christian thinking, is not the right thing to do.

Imagine what a garbage world we would be living in if we did not correct each other.

We would still be living in trees and caves.

Regards
DL
 
You assume that when you are doing the correcting that your view is the right one though.

Where would the world be if everyone was allowed to be left alone to be wrong? Probably a hell of a lot more peaceful and quiet that's where
 
What if Lucifer is truly God and everything we know about "God" was simply lies that he had left us on his path from Heaven to Hell?

Everything that Lucifer would support--equality of the sexes, equality of the races, hedonistic enjoyment of life, scientific knowledge, etc. is prohibited by "God." The ultimate fuck you to his enemy (and true God) Lucifer, would be to trick Lucifer's creation into believing blasphemy.

It's been a tough 5000 years but I think the Age of Satan (sustained by patriarchal religion) is coming to an end.
 
One Thousand Words said:
You assume that when you are doing the correcting that your view is the right one though.

Where would the world be if everyone was allowed to be left alone to be wrong? Probably a hell of a lot more peaceful and quiet that's where
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I show my view and if wrong, I will take correction. I do not resist that as learning something new is one of the great pleasures of life.

Your last is too foolish for me to bother with as it goes against my first moral tenet which is the Golden Rule.

You may liker to be left to do the wrong thing but most do not.

Regards
DL
 
Felonious Monk said:
What if Lucifer is truly God and everything we know about "God" was simply lies that he had left us on his path from Heaven to Hell?

Everything that Lucifer would support--equality of the sexes, equality of the races, hedonistic enjoyment of life, scientific knowledge, etc. is prohibited by "God." The ultimate fuck you to his enemy (and true God) Lucifer, would be to trick Lucifer's creation into believing blasphemy.

It's been a tough 5000 years but I think the Age of Satan (sustained by patriarchal religion) is coming to an end.
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Let us pray.

People do not recognize that before the 5000 years of misery you speak of, the world was quite peaceful under the Goddess'.

Your insight seems to be 20/20.

Regards
DL
 
Most people prefer to be left in peace. You will only have to worry if you are wrong once you are dead so why torment yourself in this life?
 
rmikhail said:
Why wouldn't he? What would be the reason for our existence if he'd made us his equals?
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For us to become what we have become. His better.

As above, so below.

Is that not what you ultimately want for your children?

If not, you are as big of a prick as that vile demiurge Yahweh.

Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.
Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

We are all to be brethren to Jesus and Gods in our own right.

Jesus asked, have ye forgotten that ye are Gods?

The answer is, yes, most have but not some Jews and Gnostic Christians.

Regards
DL


 
alasdairm said:
beat me to it.

most religions expect you to buy into the idea that they are the "one true" religion.

alasdair
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Not Gnostic Christians. We are esoteric ecumenists and recognize that any tradition can be used to get you to Gnosis.

But we will be quick to tell you if a certain policy is moral or not.



Regards
DL
 
I bet you are quick to lose friends and any respect they might have had too.

Is there a quota for converting non believers before you are yourself accepted by God? If not why the fuck care what other people believe? Or are you more trying to convince yourself? It's okay to have doubts, no one else is 100 % certain either
 
One Thousand Words said:
Most people prefer to be left in peace. You will only have to worry if you are wrong once you are dead so why torment yourself in this life?
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There is not that much wisdom in scriptures but there is a couple of bits I endorse.
Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; evenas a father the son in whom he delighteth.

1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what isgood.

I see your view as lacking any moral sense at all. You do not seem to recognise what the Golden rule is all about.

Regards
DL
 
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