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I have watched my friend consume over 2 grams of MD in a night and he is using it almost every week and barely ever has less then a half gram. Before anyone asks, I am sure it is MDMA because he deals in the stuff and buys it regularly off different people from a darknet marketplace. I rarely have over 200 mg of the stuff so I am becoming pretty concerned with his habits especially because after searching the internet I can barely find anyone who has used over 500mg. Does anyone have personal experience with using large quantities of MDMA? He seems pretty content with what hes doing and seems as if he can handle it but I'm pretty unsure how dangerous this actually is...
 
It may contain MDMA, but it's most likely not pure. If it is pure, I would like to offer my condolences to his brain.
 
Ryan45 said:
I have watched my friend consume over 2 grams of MD in a night and he is using it almost every week and barely ever has less then a half gram. Before anyone asks, I am sure it is MDMA because he deals in the stuff and buys it regularly off different people from a darknet marketplace. I rarely have over 200 mg of the stuff so I am becoming pretty concerned with his habits especially because after searching the internet I can barely find anyone who has used over 500mg. Does anyone have personal experience with using large quantities of MDMA? He seems pretty content with what hes doing and seems as if he can handle it but I'm pretty unsure how dangerous this actually is...
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Lol ahh the DM. yes totally agree if you buy off there it is always pure as the freshly fallen snow. Oh and agreed he deals in it so he must know what it is and he is a modern day Robin Hood that's doing it for the people and to give them a good time. He of course wouldn't peddle any sort of shit to get his return back like any other low life drug dealer? IMHO let him do it. Rule number one never get high off your own supply. He's clearly and expert ?
 
^What a sour puss lol. That wasn't even remotely helpful to the guys question, no need to be a cynical twat he was only asking for information...

The facts are if your buying off the darknet the vast majority of it is MDMA. They have services like the MDMA avengers who anonymously shop and send samples to Energy Control Testing in Spain. Also believe it or not but when you tend to handle lots of drugs you get used to knowing what the real deal looks like.

Here in the UK I've seen friends eat 20 real MDMA pills or more and done it myself once or twice when I was young and stupid. You can doubt me if you want but I've been taking the stuff 11 years. I know what I'm talking about. A waste of time as you end up monging out a lot and because of the 7% conversion rate your body metabolizes to MDA at those doses you tend to wind up tripping out having conversations with people who aren't there.

Your friend is overdoing it to a dangerous level. And you should make him aware he needs a break as his tolerance is out of control and he will ruin it for himself. I did this many years ago in 2009 it got to a stage I would dose 250mg 3-4 times per session. Ludicrous behaviour and I'm not proud to admit it but it happens frequently in the UK and Ireland. Wind up with a sore mouth where you have chewed your gums to shreds and a heavy comedown. Sometimes I've had brain zaps after festivals and holidays. This is not sensible as you are increasing the neurotoxicity while also skyrocketing your tolerance and ruining future experiences. It is responsible for "loosing the magic" as people on here often discuss.

The dosing suggested in Phikal are absolutely correct IMO, you will not get any higher in the positive sense of the word than the first dose and one redose. Maybe when that wears off you can extend your night with one more smaller dose. These days I usually stick to 2 doses. 2mg per kg of bodyweight for the first one which means 160mg for me is about right, with another 100mg redose.
 
My friend was snorting 4 grams every weekend, he ended up with drug-induced hepatitis. Bad times.
 
2 grams a night is way too much. Consuming every week is way too often.

I would suggest he finds a new drug to abuse before he either damages him self mentally and or physically.
 
LearntYoung said:
The fact is that you obviously lack chemistry knowledge to comprehend how you just went full retard.
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How is that relevant?

Sid said:
^What a sour puss lol. That wasn't even remotely helpful to the guys question, no need to be a cynical twat he was only asking for information...

The facts are if your buying off the darknet the vast majority of it is MDMA. They have services like the MDMA avengers who anonymously shop and send samples to Energy Control Testing in Spain. Also believe it or not but when you tend to handle lots of drugs you get used to knowing what the real deal looks like.

Here in the UK I've seen friends eat 20 real MDMA pills or more and done it myself once or twice when I was young and stupid. You can doubt me if you want but I've been taking the stuff 11 years. I know what I'm talking about. A waste of time as you end up monging out a lot and because of the 7% conversion rate your body metabolizes to MDA at those doses you tend to wind up tripping out having conversations with people who aren't there.

Your friend is overdoing it to a dangerous level. And you should make him aware he needs a break as his tolerance is out of control and he will ruin it for himself. I did this many years ago in 2009 it got to a stage I would dose 250mg 3-4 times per session. Ludicrous behaviour and I'm not proud to admit it but it happens frequently in the UK and Ireland. Wind up with a sore mouth where you have chewed your gums to shreds and a heavy comedown. Sometimes I've had brain zaps after festivals and holidays. This is not sensible as you are increasing the neurotoxicity while also skyrocketing your tolerance and ruining future experiences. It is responsible for "loosing the magic" as people on here often discuss.

The dosing suggested in Phikal are absolutely correct IMO, you will not get any higher in the positive sense of the word than the first dose and one redose. Maybe when that wears off you can extend your night with one more smaller dose. These days I usually stick to 2 doses. 2mg per kg of bodyweight for the first one which means 160mg for me is about right, with another 100mg redose.
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Sir you speak the truth; you see people taking mad doses in the UK too much.

I know quite a few people who used to have a dosing regime to the one described, and they will eventually stop themselves as the negative effects outweight the positives (each consecutive dose is less rewarding, and the comedown is harder to deal with).
 
No need, but a huge urge, since he states facts that are in fact the garbage that's often spread by dealers to make their product more appealing.
 
Well funnily, while what he states should definitely NOT be relied upon, in ways it can hold true. Certain DN marketplaces had a fairly good user review/feedback system that would hold the vendors somewhat accountable for their claims. Obviously still taking a dealer's word, but if they're bullshitting they didn't last long from what I witnessed.


Anyway, that's besides the point:
*OP's friend is consuming far far too much of something he can't be 100% about unless he tests it with a presumptive test kit, and in the event it does check out to be "MDxx" it's likely cut to all hell and he has a tolerance from abuse.
*Don't be childish, no matter how deserved you may feel it is (and believe me, situations do definitely arise where I have to hold back haha...it's for the best :p)
 
That is a very very high dose for MDMA that can and probably will lead to long term health effects. I could see bad effects from using standard doses of this drug for short periods of time, I can only imagine how many mental problems and depression he might have after ceasing use of MDMA. It's best at that point to wean down and try another drug before he kills himself.
 
Fact is that a lot of garbage is sold on DN, but you can predict which ones are the honest sellers quite well. Yes that service exists, but doesn't prove his product to be what he ordered. Lastly, most importantly, you can't say shit about purity/content just by sight/smell/weight/whatever.
 
LearntYoung said:
Lastly, most importantly, you can't say shit about purity/content just by sight/smell/weight/whatever.
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I think you will find that there are people who are so experienced with drugs, like Sid, that they can actually tell from sight if drugs are good. They have GC/MS machine noses with marquis dippers for fingers.............my dealer said this shit is good. He knows drugs he is honest as a saint and absolutely 100 % reliable looking out purely for me and my own health = so no need to test it IMHO. Sid says it's good then it's gotta be.

And absolutely the product by day, hour, customer doesn't change with DM vendors as they move between batches they tested with their fingers.

Now where did I put the bag of 20 pills Sid sold me for my night out. Shame as I remember the days when 2 were more then enough for a full night, you couldn't possibly do any more. Oh well down the hatch they must be good cos Sid said so..........

Sorry Sid no offence but I thought I just state what your saying.
 
I have sent in my purchases to Wedinos many times. I have sent two batches I was unsure of to EC in Spain. How many batches have you actually sent to a lab for testing? An Ez test doesn't show PMMA. They do have one that claims it but it's not accurate IMO.
I do not need the DarkNet to get MDMA or pills I could get either through IRL connections.

What I will tell you is through my experience buying on the DarkNet and other online private sites before that is when buying ecstasy I have never been sold anything which didn't test positive as MDMA. Maybe I'm just lucky. Or maybe I'm checking my source better than the rest of you. I never use new vendors and never buy if I'm seeing recent negative reviews.

I've read your posts in the regional thread and actually agreed with what you said about copycats (minus the part about them being pressed by idiots buying Chinese single pill presses of eBay - the copycats come from the same manufacture as the real ones, with the Dutch pills anyway), however it's your attitude here I do have a problem with. there is no need to come across like that, your doing nobody any favours least of all yourself.
Unlike you I don't doubt other people's levels of knowledge; if you want people to listen to you, don't be a presumptuous twat.

I hope you don't take this the wrong way and it spawns an argument as I've actually no beef with you man. I'm just calling it like I see it.:)
 
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LearntYoung said:
No need, but a huge urge, since he states facts that are in fact the garbage that's often spread by dealers to make their product more appealing.
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What the fuck is your problem exactly? Calling me a retard? I see you've deleted the post now. Pathetic.

I'm well aware most of it is impure. Like I just said I don't buy from just any vendor. That said when it's all sent away to ECTF I'm not aware of anyone of the UK vendors (the ones I would consider using ie vendor for over a year, no negative reviews, etc) stuff testing as anything other than MDMA. And believe it or not impurities in MDMA ie it not being 84% as advertised occurs not just online but IRL too...

Very adult conversation though, well done. Next time you want to you want to try and correct me though try not acting like a pig. People don't listen to farm animals.
 
It got deleted, but this response of yours kind of confirmed not taking you seriously... But I won't bite here and snap, instead I'll encourage mods to leave your post for others to decide on how they'll interpret the information you gave.
 
Well I certainly won't be taking you seriously since you immediately resorted to calling me a retard instead of entering a sensible explanation of what was wrong with what I said. What kind of response did you expect after you directly insult me?

The fact is you get used to the sourcing if MDMA, seeing MDMA, testing MDMA, taking MDMA. Then you know what MDMA is. Don't let the door hit you on the way out...
 
I hope you don't take this the wrong way and it spawns an argument as I've actually no beef with you man. I'm just calling it like I see it.:)[/QUOTE]

Absolutely not as you said in the EADD thread on how to reignite it before you got flamed for speaking sense it's all about views and provoking thought.

Honestly my reason for being on here is to share some personal experience, I'm old enough to be your dad if your age states right and I've been around many blocks many times, first experience of E was 1988. I'm also a chemist so I've got a little bit of knowledge. worse I am also involved in safe use of chemicals, mainly industrial but never the less lessons learnt are directly relevant. I do take drugs very seriously as I've seen what they can do if not taken seriously.

My point purely is test. If you check every post of mine it's the same. Some guys don't know how to do it where to go etc. If we can save one life by getting that clear message across 'don't take anything unless you KNOW what it is' then that's my purpose. Certainly isnt to ball size how many i can and have dropped in one sitting and why we should trust someone else, because in my opinion that's isn't very safe advice to give.

Disagree re pressers / copies etc. The reason why the Dutch move on to new press is because the Chinese are able very quickly to produce a press stamp allowing others to make copies.

Why would the original presser need the stamp again if they already have it? likely hood is that;
1. Chinese have been asked by the original presser (for the original press) and then as the Chinese will always do they will look to capitalise on the mould cost by offering it out to all and sundry once they have the die.
2. The Chinese have been asked or follow the presses and make the copies to sell to anyone who wants to shift product, it could well be that MD is used in the copy. It would certainly be a faster route to market to copy a press than to try and establish your own, especially if your small time.

let's face facts If you produce a copy as per the methylone White UPS and subsequent others a press can quickly die for quality, but in that short time you've shifted your crap and made your money. UPS moulds can be sourced I see from 3 separate sellers. Could be middle men but by 3 separate sellers they certainly are not just targeting the original Dutch presser who wants more moulds cos his are worn out?

I can also do funny - sourpuss, yep thought your mums tasted a bit funky when I went down on her last night.......... And that is meant as banter?
 
Yeah I suspect you are mate, you old crank ;) I'm 24 but I started very early. I've been using test kits since I was about 16 or something, before then I must have been lucky as I never encountered bad pills.

I agree with what you are saying mostly like I already said. Everyone should test their pills and not go from PR. I've even had batches of MDMA regent test perfectly then I tried them and something felt a bit nasty about it. Sent to Wedinos, tested as MDMA. So this clearly due to impurity. I have also been stung with PMMA pills once, and lost even lost friends to them. LearntYoung will wonder right now why I didn't send them to the lab, unfortunately not all of us live in NL and they regent tested perfectly. You can imagine after real life experience like this I don't just eat any pills without rigorous testing now.

You could be right, but the UPS copies look very like the originals. packet_sniffer in the regional thread was the one who first put this theory forwards. I used to think the same as you but the amount of copycats with pills like the goldbars, UPS's and others, there were loads of copies - like they were out in numbers too big for them not to have been mass produced, exact dimensions of the real deal, hard pressed like the real deal. Considering how many of these big operations seem to scam buyers I really wouldn't be surprised if they press lower dose pills, then even pills with methylone in them. I'm still at a loss as to where the PMMA comes from, as it cant be good business to go pressing that.

What you say goes on definitely will do aswell. And maybe I am wrong about the producer of the original batches being behind the copycats but they all do put out lower dose follow up batches for sure. It wouldn't surprise me if when the press reputation is already ruined they throw in methylone or whatever else. As you said yourself you cant trust someone who has a vested interest in selling them.
 
Sid said:
Well I certainly won't be taking you seriously since you immediately resorted to calling me a retard instead of entering a sensible explanation of what was wrong with what I said. What kind of response did you expect after you directly insult me?

The fact is you get used to the sourcing if MDMA, seeing MDMA, testing MDMA, taking MDMA. Then you know what MDMA is. Don't let the door hit you on the way out...
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Yeah. This convinced me...

I've done synthesis experiments at uni where I've had to conclude that seemingly perfect products could just as easily have failed horribly when testing with mass spectrometry, UV/Vis or infrared spectroscopy.

Next to that, I've delivered quite a few samples of drugs to get lab tested and for example: 2 completely different samples of amphetamine sulphate

color: Pinkish / Yellowish
structure: Sand like / More clumpy
smell: Strong, chemical smell / Less penetrant and fruity smell, like apple-ish
burn: Hurt a lot to snort / Barely noticeable

Both samples were first dried on a preheated surface, given an acetone wash and left to dry by room temperature before being tested and both resulted in 67% amphetamine without active cuts. (73% being a practical max and <135.21 / (135.21 + ½ 96.06) = 135.21 / 183.24 = 0.73788, 0.73788 × 100 => 73.788% theoretical max

All differences were most likely caused by that small percentage of impurities, but believe me, there are just a few producers in the world both honest and capable enough to produce anything over 70%, although they do exist. Therefore any conclusions based on anything but measurements should be considered assumptions and invalid unless confirmed. So they're basically just hypothesis.

People could simply add something with the same odor to something with the same structure, dyed the same colour... Fun fact, did you know both benzaldehyde (fairly safe) and cyanide (highly toxic), two completely different chemicals, smell exactly like almonds?

The aggressive tone is partially because it'd most likely be ignored when not actually being debated about, but mostly because it frustrates me that people act capable of analysis without equipment or even believe they are themselves.

Oh and I'd like to add that there are research chemicals that cause closely related effects. Almost indistinguishable.
 
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