RCs 3F-Phenmetrazine (3-FPM)

[t6apb]

yeah alcohol is great with this, as with any stim

 

[spikeycloud]

yeah alcohol is great with this, as with any stim

Well I don't like to drink a lot of alcohol with 4-FA, because it doesn't add anything, it is very hard to drink with whilst under influence and the hangover is a lot bigger.

 

[Transform]

yeah alcohol is great with this, as with any stim

(In your opinion)!

Alcohol increases a number of environmental risks associated with stimulants such as disinhibition, lack of redose control and severity of comedown.

 

[cybergollum]

This thread is ridiculous. 50% of the people praise it, the other 50% say it sucks.

I suppose it is more like matter of taste and not the different reactions depending on the individual characteristics of a subjects body and brain. Or not. Both reasons can be equally important.

The question is, which group has consumed the actual compound.

I think (read "I hope") both groups received right compound. This is not LSD, cocaine or, on the other side, some brand new chemical which was adverted as something unique (like it was with MXE and, I guess, with halogenated amphetamines?). 3F-P isn't expensive and still not very popular. In my view there are no reasons for vendors (or chemists who synthesize drugs for them) to scam people. Of course if some vendor just popped up and tried to sell only 3F-P for low costs, it is suspicious. But if your vendor already for years on market, it will be absolutely dumb IMO to destroy his own reputation and actually don't get much profit from it.
Yes, there is possibility that chemical degraded and vendors didn't know this. Or just order was mistakenly replaced with something else.

Would it be ok if you combine 3-FPM with a lot of alcohol?

Can anyone comment from experience?

Sorry I still had not that experience but anyway will comment. Ok?
Tomorrow I will maybe try to mix... Or not. As for me 3-FPM is satisfying alone and there still were no need at all to mix it with anything else.

"A lot of alcohol" usually is a bad idea itself
Stimulants seems like (I don't know exactly, just heard somewhere, so could be wrong) can make you less drunk (=more sober). But it depends on dose of course and on scheme. I mean, from what I heard if you are too drunk and if you do some good amount of amphetamine you will be sober. By 'sober' I mean you won't fell asleep and your coordination will be good enough to walk straight and get home and not find yourself at some ditch next morning without money and shoes :D Nevermind.

Anyway, as has been said generally stimulants CAN be mixed with alcohol. But keep in mind what Transform said. And by the way don't forget that alcohol increases blood pressure. Though seems like 3-FPM don't increase much BP (at least if one will not re-dose multiple times) but there can be some hidden synergy, right? "Hidden" for me. I could google it but wanted to write a message and finally go to sleep.

Didn't sleep last night because of 3-FPM and tomorrow is working day, sigh.

 

[spikeycloud]

I suppose it is more like matter of taste and not the different reactions depending on the individual characteristics of a subjects body and brain. Or not. Both reasons can be equally important.


I think (read "I hope") both groups received right compound. This is not LSD, cocaine or, on the other side, some brand new chemical which was adverted as something unique (like it was with MXE and, I guess, with halogenated amphetamines?). 3F-P isn't expensive and still not very popular. In my view there are no reasons for vendors (or chemists who synthesize drugs for them) to scam people. Of course if some vendor just popped up and tried to sell only 3F-P for low costs, it is suspicious. But if your vendor already for years on market, it will be absolutely dumb IMO to destroy his own reputation and actually don't get much profit from it.
Yes, there is possibility that chemical degraded and vendors didn't know this. Or just order was mistakenly replaced with something else.


Sorry I still had not that experience but anyway will comment. Ok?
Tomorrow I will maybe try to mix... Or not. As for me 3-FPM is satisfying alone and there still were no need at all to mix it with anything else.

"A lot of alcohol" usually is a bad idea itself
Stimulants seems like (I don't know exactly, just heard somewhere) can make you less drunk. But it depends on dose of course.
Anyway, as has been said generally stimulants CAN be mixed with alcohol. But keep in mind what Transform said. And by the way don't forget that alcohol increases blood pressure. Though seems like 3-FPM don't increase much BP (at least if one will not re-dose multiple times) but there can be some hidden synergy, right? "Hidden" for me. I could google it but wanted to write a message and finally go to sleep.

Didn't sleep last night because of 3-FPM and tomorrow is working day, sigh.

I know but it's new year tomorrow and I already combined like 6 beers with 20 MG 2C-D and 30 MG 3-FPM 1.5 week ago.

I made a 50 MG gelcap and a 30 MG re dose cap for tomorrow. Also I have 10 MG of 2C-D but I don't think I will take it as 3-FPM seems to block a lot of its effects. Might take a 500 MG cap of L-Tyrsoine B6 a couple hours before I drop the 3-FPM.

A friend of mine is going to do (120 MG 4-FA + 5 MG 4-HO-MET, 5 mg 2C-D and 3 MG 2C-C) and after that a cap with 120 MG Methylone xD I bet hes going to have a great evening. Though I warned him to wait with the Methylone until the first cap fully manifested itself.

 

[WuxiGuy]

Absolute newbie here with BL and RC's, but not with their illicit counter parts. After hours of reading, I still feel apprehensive about researching RC's for my first time. I have 1 g of 3-FPM, 250 mg of 4 ACO DMT, 250 mg of 2C-C and 125 mg of Etizolam powder from a reputable vendor in my area, but they are all just sitting and waiting. I have used a scale to confirm the weight of the RC's I have, but do not have an mg scale on hand, so I will volumetric dose everything once I get into it. I would like to start with the 3-FPM, but not interested in insufflating or any other method and would just prefer to try straight up oral dosing. It seems some people are taking wildly high doses over extended periods, but I am really only interested in a threshold dose for now. I will dissolve in DH2O then go about my business, so any recommendations of how I can ease to a threshold with 3-FPM? There is literally no literature on this one, so I am looking for some safe advice.

I find my apprehension very strange since with illicit stuff, we also don't know potency, thresholds or if they are even what they are supposed to be, but still seem to trust in going about it. Rationally, this should be safer than something from the street, especially if it is something obtained while out of town, on vacation etc...where all of the advice and experiences regarding a substance or batch are basically unavailable. If anyone would like to comment on the thresholds for the others I have obtained, please do. Also, if I have done anything wrong in this posting, please let me know.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

A If anyone would like to comment on the thresholds for the others I have obtained, please do. Also, if I have done anything wrong in this posting, please let me know.

Great first post. As the old saying goes, start low. Threshold dosages for all the compounds you mention are in the vaults of erowid..and since you have a scale/are using volumetric dosing you are approaching this as safely and soundly as a person could.

Welcome to BL.

 

[crOOk]

A friend of mine is going to do (120 MG 4-FA + 5 MG 4-HO-MET, 5 mg 2C-D and 3 MG 2C-C) and after that a cap with 120 MG Methylone xD I bet hes going to have a great evening. Though I warned him to wait with the Methylone until the first cap fully manifested itself.

That doesn't belong in this thread. I would disadvise him of taking so many serotonergic drugs at one. I just don't see the benefit of taking 3 psychedelics. Besides, 4-FA will probably kill a lot of the psychedelic effects if I'm not mistaken. Really bad idea imho.

 

[GlassCage]

I didn't get much from this drug, even eating horse-sized doses.

Which leads to the potentially hazardous but occasionally highly rewarding area of combos.

I believe there may be a good one here:

N-methyl-2-AI
3'-fluorophenmetrazine
HDMP-28

The bulk of the dose would come from the first two - cannot even begin to speculate on this, with the HDMP-28 acting as a 'helper', a 'kicker', in much smaller quantities.

Anyone with knowledge of and access to all three of these care to comment on my wild speculations?

 

[spikeycloud]

That doesn't belong in this thread. I would disadvise him of taking so many serotonergic drugs at one. I just don't see the benefit of taking 3 psychedelics. Besides, 4-FA will probably kill a lot of the psychedelic effects if I'm not mistaken. Really bad idea imho.

No it enhances it actually. I already tried this combo twice at home but instead 2C-C, 2C-I. and he tried the 4-FA 2C-D and ho-met combo many times with great effects. Also the psychedellics are all agonists. He is not sure yet to take the methylone yet.

ayway ontopic

 

[InterestingFACT]

I didn't get much from this drug, even eating horse-sized doses.

Which leads to the potentially hazardous but occasionally highly rewarding area of combos.

I believe there may be a good one here:

N-methyl-2-AI
3'-fluorophenmetrazine
HDMP-28

The bulk of the dose would come from the first two - cannot even begin to speculate on this, with the HDMP-28 acting as a 'helper', a 'kicker', in much smaller quantities.

Anyone with knowledge of and access to all three of these care to comment on my wild speculations?

I haven't tried that combo, but I do have hdmp28 and 3fpm incoming. What's your reasoning for combining an Sri and an sra? Doesn't seem to make much sense to me. Additionally, I don't get the appeal of nm2ai or 2ai when there are plenty of other easily accessible serotonergic drugs available (5-apb, 5-mapb, 4fa, etc).

 

[Doxy]

Better vaped, maybe twice, three times better than mpa, moorish . It's ok, got nothing much off Insuffocated except insomnia...

 

[Hecticus]

My friend vaped roughly 100mg's in 2 seperate doses 45 mins apart. After the second dose he felt a "calm stimulation" which i assume was a rush. He proceeded to grin and day dream. Coming down 2 hours later with a moderately strong urge to redose. Great feedback from my friend. Reminds me of that relaxed stimulation from Ethylphenidate with no strong urge to talk.

 

[spikeycloud]

Ok a small report from yesterday. That friend of mine with that 3 psychedelic combination 4-fa-M1 had the time of his life. The whole time he was saying oh this is great. At one moment he even saw santa claus, the 7 goats and red hiding hood flying trough the club LOL.

Anyway, I started with a decent amount of alcohol. Then I dropped 50 mg 3-FPM in a gelcap. After a half hour I did get a decent amount of anxiety. And no matter how hard I tried I could not get in the right mindset. I decided to drop the 2C-D because that kills the anxiety almost allways. This made it a bit better but still not how I wanted. So most of the evening I did not have a really great time. Not terrible but not great either. After that I decided to drop the 30 MG redose and after an hour or so I could get in a better mindset. So the last two hours were nice. When I was home I still felt the stimulation. I took 0.75 Mg Etizolam and slept after 3 min or so. Today I don't feel bad but I also feel that I have used something.

In conclusion. I don't think that 3-FPM is that great for going out. The anxiety could be because of the thoughts I had at that moment. The funniest thing was that the anxiety was not even because of something. And when that friend asked wether I was enjoying myself, the anxiety did even get bigger. Because I was afraid I looked that I did not enjoy myself. So this all could be a set and setting thing and not 3-FPM.

 

[LeeviON]

@spikeycloud
Yes, it definitely seems that you just had poor set & setting. I haven't heard that anyone else would've gotten anxiety from 3-FPM, albeit it mustn't be ruled out as a possible side-effect.

Here's some info I've acquired regarding vaped FPM:

• - I usually vape between 20 and 30 milligrams, compared to >50mg when snorted
• - It creates a lot of vapor and it continues to create vapor for 2-3 seconds after you've stopped lighting it
• - You should put the flame on minimum, otherwise a lot of it burns and so is ruined. Also, it'll create so much vapor that you can't catch most of it if the lighter isn't on the minimum setting.
• - Vaping FPM doesn't give you a rush, it starts working almost as if you'd have taken it orally. As the matter of fact snorting seems to give me a better rush than vaping.
• - While snorting the stuff makes you unable to sleep (without etizolam or other sleeping aids), when vaped the after-effects are much 'milder' and you can fall asleep easily (without hypnotics) even after 1,5-2,5 hours, compared to at least 6 hours when snorting it.
• - Vaping is a bit more more-ish than snorting, but nothing one couldn't resist.
• - I just decided to try putting an eyeballed amount (about 20-30mg) in a cigarette, and IMO it works BETTER when smoked in a cig (with filter) than when chasing it off foil!
• - It has a mild plastic-like taste, but you can't taste it if it's in a cig.

Feel free to ask me questions about vaping it & using it in general. This is stupid and reckless but if a question springs to mind and I or others can't answer it, I'd be happy to "acquire" that information via testing. Note that I haven't, and won't do IV/IM, though. Eating, snorting, vaping and plugging related questions I can answer.

Regarding the better rush given by snorting, I've been thinking that it might just be because it hurts, and because of the pain you get a bit of a fight-or-flight reaction, which as many of you probably know could mimic a rushing feeling. What do you guys think about this theory?


In my honest opinion vaping it, or even better put it in a cig, is much preferred over snorting.

And for the sake of harm reduction, I must remind you that vaping it might be more harmful & addictive than snorting it; DON'T DO IT!

Stay safe, guys!

 

[LeeviON]

Warning
When snorted, 3-FPM tends to get 'boring' after a few days and even though I have it readily available for use whenever I want to and all the time in the world, I'd rather be sober.
But since I first tried chasing it off foil (and later started mixing it with tobacco), I've been using it all the time. Before I go to sleep at night, I roll a cig with FPM in it so that I can light it first thing in the morning. After that, I redose throughout the day about once an hour.
It's not that hard being without it (for example if I go to my parents' house and want to be sober), but whenever I have the chance, I keep using it all the time. Since the parent compound phenmetrazine is, if I'm not mistaken, quite addictive, it's not far-fetched to say that this is too.

I haven't experienced any physical withdrawals (longest I've been without vaping it is less than a day, though!), but who knows what'll happen when I run out.

What I'm trying to say is that I recommend everyone to stay away from vaping/smoking this substance. If you are going to use it, parachute it or snort it (pref. in a saline solution), but don't go to the "harder" ROAs. Vaping doesn't give you anything more than what snorting it does, it just doesn't last as long and is more mentally addictive.
I don't want to see myself or anyone else ending up addicted on this shit. It's IMO great as a functional stim, and good/moderate as an euphoric stim, but be wary of the risks, keep track of your use and stay safe.

Now that I've been using it for a while, it's more of a straight stimulant (less euphoria than at first), but it still gives me a feeling that I really like.

I will keep following this thread and reporting my usage (especially once I run out). Since I'm an idiot, I will also continue using it as long as I have it, knowing that I might experience withdrawals, for the sake of acquiring information about its addiction potential and long-term effects. I do it so you don't have to.

Cheers,
LeeviON

 

[spikeycloud]

I think most people who tried it haven't used it in a club setting. But the club had not a very good setting. Most people stood like bags of sand and the ambience was not super. At first I thought I had an avarage reasonable time, but them my friend asked me wether I enjoyed myself. So I imidiately I thought that I didn't look happy out of my eyes. So I tried to be but that did not work. I was also constantly analysing why I did not enjoy myself and hoping that the effects might be delayed or something. A lot of thinking almost the whole evening. So yeah it's probably set and setting. But 3-FPM is really settings sensitive then. More so than 4-FA or alcohol.

 

[LeeviON]

It might also have to do with the route of administration. You took it orally, right? Oral dosing IME is more like caffeine, while nasal is more euphoric (albeit its duration is way too short nasally if you intend to use it for a night out; if you want to 'ride' the peak, you'd have to redose about once an hour. If you don't, the peak quickly dissipates into residual stimulation.)

 

[S.J.B.]

After using two more 50 mg IV doses of 3-fluorophenmetrazine, my opinion of it has improved quite a bit. It is lasting far longer than I expected (I think I took the last dose about 12 hours ago, and I am still pretty wired). I combined the second IV dose with an opioid, and the rush is exceptionally euphoric.

 

[LeeviON]

I combined the second IV dose with an opioid, and the rush is exceptionally euphoric.

Woah, I agree. I parachuted 20mg oxy (no tolerance) and vaped a whole lot of FPM. They go great together