My Phenibut Affair (Really F'n Long)

[belfort]

^^ VERY LIMITED! you still get an overall sense of well-being but its no where near as good as it FIRST IS! esp. at such low dosages as mentioned above.

thats with every drug though..i know of no drug that maintains its early effects after long term use..tolerance always builds...if there were drugs that still worked like the 'first time' please let me know about it asap lol...

with as powerful as phenibut is, should it be legal?i probably shouldnt even ask that question on here but i could easily see little kiddies overdosing(not dying but just acting like idiots or sleeping for days) on it and ending up with bad withdrawals...

its hard to describe the phenibut 'high' as it really doesnt get you high imo, its much more of a subtle mood boost yet at the same time it obliterates social anxiety and inhibitions and makes you much more social...at times, it will make u nod off and feel tired as hell, other times it makes u feel like superman with unlimited energy..

 

[mabzie55]

thanks for the definition webster. i am aware of what empathy and apathy are. i was saying that benzos make me apathetic about everything and phenibut makes empathetic as well interested in things. what is hard to understand about that? my reply was with the understanding that they were asking if phenibut makes you lose empathy, which is what benzos do to me.

Yeah, I was definitely asking about the empathetic effects of phenibut. (What this thread is about)

To which you replied that they have none.

Now you say they do.

And you are going on about benzos for some reason.

Who are "they"?

Probably why it's hard to understand... Next time you can just give a clear answer to the question or not say anything.

El oh el

 

[pinpoint]

Yeah, I was definitely asking about the empathetic effects of phenibut. (What this thread is about)

To which you replied that they have none.

Now you say they do.

And you are going on about benzos for some reason.

Who are "they"?

Probably why it's hard to understand... Next time you can just give a clear answer to the question or not say anything.

El oh el

You guys are talking about two entirely different systems (GABAA & GABAB) - of course they will have different effect profiles.

The function, operation and composition of GABAA is completely different from GABAB receptors. It's a mistake to think that just because they share a common ligand they have something else in common. The ligand is basically it.

GABAA receptors are metaphorically like five trees growing in a pentagon with a light shining through the center. Depending on how they're bent some of that light can make its way through. Diazepam (allosteric modulator), gets stuck in between the trees, but it doesn't directly open them up enough for the light to get through. It does however modulate the branches enough that the GABA ligand is more able to fit in there, letting the light through. So it doesn't directly increase the light going through, but rather it makes it so that the light is going through much more often.

GABAB is a GPCR but it's unusual because it's coupled to potassium channels. Anyways I can't think of an accurate way to metaphorically describe the way GABAB works but it is different in any case.

The GABAB effects of Phenibut likely causes a downstream effect - likely culprits for the empathogenic profile are dopamine, glutamate and/or serotonin.

 

[Soulgasm]

in your cse, you are better off not ordering any more..sorry but if you binge on phenibut by taking 50 grams in 2 weeks and them jump off without expecting consequences, you are better off finding something else to take..phenibut is no joke...im shocked dope and benzos didnt kill your phneibut withdrawals though..

wow, some of you act like phenibut is the most amazing drug out there, with no downsides...

again, the best way to take phenibut is small daily doses(1 gram or so0 and then when you really need it to work(social gatherings or whatever else) jump up to 3-4 grams..ive used it like this for years and it still works when i need it to!!granted, on days i only take 1 gram i dont feel much but when i spike the dosage up, u bet your ass i feel the effects even after a long time on it..

Ah, fair enough. I will probably try it again sometime in my life but I definitely have a healthy respect for phenibut now. A very stressful situation in my life led to my overindulgence in this substance and it's just so cheap and easily available!

Anyways, I'm kinda surprised more people haven't had problems with (or even heard of) this drug. It seems popular with the bodybuilding community but not so much the frequent drug users. I've never felt a tolerance and physical dependance profile develop so quickly with all the uppers, downers, screamers, and laughers of the galaxy. Use this shit responsibly if you choose to! It's really one of the few gems left of the legal intoxicants of North America.

 

[belfort]

well i dont think drug users like it as much as it is hard to gauge and doesnt really hit you like other drugs..its hard for me to even define what kind of drug phenibut is, its not a good party drug, i would almost put it into more of a good anti-depressant, mood booster than a euphoric drug like marijuana or cocaine..also, phenibuts pro-social effects are very potent and it does surprirse me it isnt more popular than it is..maybe people get scared off by peoples bad experiences?hmm that usually doesnt work for other drugs but who knows...?again, it seems more than half the people ive introduced it to dont even feel it, even at larger doses so..

 

[SoaV]

Phenibut is a miracle drug.

I fell in love with phenibut on my 2nd day of ever using it, inevitably it was so good and the supply where I was living (in a phenibut house, don't ask) was unlimited. I had acquired my own tub and was using it responsibly or so I thought until the 2nd day when my tub was gone as I had been feeding people phenibut day and night and upon the 2nd day more tubs arrived in the mail and I was being fed copious amounts of phenibut, dozens of grams, spoonful after spoonful.

I WAS GOD. No psychedelic revelations about the universe, no self-therapeutic cognitive sessions to show you the folly of your ways, just ENHANCEMENT. I turned into a fucking machine, physically and mentally. I could have become the fucking president for all I was concerned with. And that was the problem.

We were thrown into a delusional mania in 2 days, thanks to phenibut freaks, and upon the 3rd day I became aware that this shit is not a harmless substance, it is just as dangerous as benzos and heroin in terms of addictiveness and withdrawal.

And so now I stay far far away from drugs such as this.

 

[liftedgift]

it seems more than half the people ive introduced it to dont even feel it, even at larger doses so..

I think this is the reason and the fact that it takes so long to feel anything so it is very easy to take more and end up sick. I gave a buddy 10grams which he claimed he felt nothing. Days later he tries 5gs which completely floors him. I've had people feel nothing with 3gs, other people get fucked up for 2 days with 3 gs. Weird.


And a phenibut house you say? HAHA all I am imagining is a recycling bin outside overflowing with lift and prima tubs rolling into the street.

 

[maddawg300]

Phenibut is great if you take it once or twice a week otherwise fuck that "supplement"

 

[Jabberwocky]

people say they dont feeling anything because they dont know what to do. you SHOULD NOT FEEL FUCKED UP! its just an overall sense of well-being; as if you had 3-4 beers and thats it! I've had plenty of friends tell me they felt nothing and within an hour they are unable to move out of their room and cannot even touch the floor because they overused. it happens to all newbies.

I am coming off 5 days w/o touching the shit and feel great. I'll prob finish off what I go over he next week which is another 2-3 uses tops (probably 9-12G's left). after that I am going to give it some time before I order any more phenibut. I will probably buy more once I am wrapping up my mehtadone and need another "life" to help me get through the withdrawals.

 

[Grinders Kiefers]

Sorry to bump an old thread, but I just wanted to thank you for writing this. I'm coming off a relatively low Phenibut habit (2-3g/day max for 1-2 months) and it's oddly comforting to read about the withdrawal effects you experienced, if only to realize that I'm not alone in feeling that way. I was and am well aware of the withdrawal potential but have been able to come off it in the past without much difficulty. This time, however, Phenibut was not so forgiving.

I ended up dumping my stash last Thursday, had about 10-15mg Alprazolam between Friday - Monday, and have been cold turkey since then. I think this got me through the worst of the anxiety/paranoia stage, but the hot/cold sensations and insomnia are still a pain in the ass. I've been trying to eat healthier, take vitamins regularly, exercise, etc., but it seems like sleep is the biggest obstacle for me right now.

 

[Jabberwocky]

anytime I come off Phenibut and thinking its a withdrawal I usually pick up others drugs in order to overcome my withdrawals, lol. thats a true junkie for ya, huh!? ill use another drug to come off another drug.. makes perfect sense, right? now only if it was that easy to come off dope; sometimes it is if you have enough benzos but benzos are not easy to grab around here esp. without a script. people want WAYYY TOO MUCH for .5-1MG pills. GET LOST!

 

[bigsouth620]

people say they dont feeling anything because they dont know what to do. you SHOULD NOT FEEL FUCKED UP! its just an overall sense of well-being; as if you had 3-4 beers and thats it! I've had plenty of friends tell me they felt nothing and within an hour they are unable to move out of their room and cannot even touch the floor because they overused. it happens to all newbies.

I am coming off 5 days w/o touching the shit and feel great. I'll prob finish off what I go over he next week which is another 2-3 uses tops (probably 9-12G's left). after that I am going to give it some time before I order any more phenibut. I will probably buy more once I am wrapping up my mehtadone and need another "life" to help me get through the withdrawals.

So I gotta ask cause the last sentence got me curious... Have you ever used phenibut to help yourself come off opiates or dope? If not in guessing you think it would help though?

 

[Jabberwocky]

I TRIED but it wasnt good enough; the opiates over power the Phenibut. hell, there are some days I will take Phenibut in the AM and wont get my dope till the afternoon and the whole time I just feel down and out cuz I have yet to get any opiates in me. ya know!? been using Phenibut for 8 years now and have tried it many times to get off other drugs, esp. opiates.

 

[pinpoint]

Since my thread has turned in to something of a phenibut megathread I'll just add this here:

Combining this with a benzodiazepine - even at therapeutic doses - can be extremely misleading. When you combine phenibut with alcohol you at least know you are 'fucked up'. However when I combined it with a benzo I felt perfectly fine one moment and then I'd 'come to' after anywhere from 10 seconds to 10 minutes with complete retrograde amnesia. That doesn't sound that scary - except for when you are driving and you suddenly 'wake up'.

And no, even after the past several months away from phenibut, the initial euphoria has never returned. I have found that it will mask symptoms of mild opioid withdrawal just as effectively as Neurontin & Lyrica, that is, if you can get the dose right.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

^Thanks, that's good to know as anything over 3mgs of xanax causes me significant retrograde amnesia. Phenibut is a man of mystery when it comes to euphoria. The first 3 gram dose was nice and warm and felt somewhat similar to lyrica, overall pretty great but after using it 3 times in a week, 2 days in a row iirc I literally felt nothing every time I tried it which was no more than 3 times a month. It always makes for an excellent sleep aid even once the euphoria is long gone. The stuff is so acidic, even 2 grams before bed time would leave my stomach mildly sore and 3 grams always leaves me waking with moderate cramps. 1500mgs is perfect for rebound anxiety from etizolam w/d's or social anxiety in general. I feel a very slight muscle relaxation but it made kept from choking up at work and places like walmart.

 

[FlawedByDesign]

Since my thread has turned in to something of a phenibut megathread I'll just add this here:

Combining this with a benzodiazepine - even at therapeutic doses - can be extremely misleading. When you combine phenibut with alcohol you at least know you are 'fucked up'. However when I combined it with a benzo I felt perfectly fine one moment and then I'd 'come to' after anywhere from 10 seconds to 10 minutes with complete retrograde amnesia. That doesn't sound that scary - except for when you are driving and you suddenly 'wake up'.

And no, even after the past several months away from phenibut, the initial euphoria has never returned. I have found that it will mask symptoms of mild opioid withdrawal just as effectively as Neurontin & Lyrica, that is, if you can get the dose right.

(Sorry for the double post, it is next to impossible to even copy n paste)

If you dont mind me asking, what benzo did you combine it with? Just curious if it simply added to one that is know to cause blackouts or if it was some sort of weird synergy.

 

[pinpoint]

Etizolam 2mg combined with Phenibut FAA 1g. Potentiation felt subjectively like 5x the dose of Etizolam. Driving was impossible due to mini-blackouts where I'd be 'normal' one minute and the next minute I'd be slamming on my brakes almost crashing into something/someone as if I was on autopilot for seconds or minutes at a time. I actually made a video recording to try to 'catch myself' in one of these blackouts to see if I was sleeping or just unconsciously awake during these episodes lol

And yeah, I know Etizolam isn't technically a benzo, but fuck it, it's close enough.

 

[belfort]

i have never experienced euphoria from phenibut..even at the beginning, its such a difficult feeling to describe tbh..after years of using it, i still feel it but the other day i scopped 5-6 grams and i felt like crap for half the day..that has never happened to me before..it made me depressed and dysphoric..again, phenibut is a strange one

 

[Jabberwocky]

Phenibut is not bad; I still take it here and there but not as much as I once was.

was once taking 3G in AM and 3G in PM but now its just 2G in the AM and I let the day go by; the reason is I shoot dope or taking suboxone, so its kinda blocking the Phenibut in different ways. I still enjoy it tho and still think its a great drug/thing for people who are NOT ADDICTED to heavier drugs; if you are taking heavy drugs like dope, then the Phenibut may not hit as hard but if you just taking Phenibut then the drug is great and you will have a ton of fun.

 

[maxade]

is this safe with an MAOI ?