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Bardeaux said:
But I'm starting to wish that I had read the book versions of the GoT series. I feel like there's much to the story that I'm probably not even aware of...
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i'd say you're getting about 20% or 25% of the detail by watching the show not having read the books...

alasdair
 
^ Yeah but... tits. I think I've made my point.



definitely should have another thread though, I really would like to read the books later but obviously want to keep the story as pristine as possible. Or perhaps I'll just forgo coming into this thread for another year, lol
 
So this is the bottom line - George R. R. Martin created a compelling narrative in an expansive, extremely textured world and it was wonderful. Then, like most successful writers (especially those who shoot for epic sagas), his editors became afraid to tell him to cut anything at all ever and the saga got weighed down with unqualified bloat. Personally, I refer to this as Robert Jordan Disease and the only tried and true solution is the death of the author. Book 4, upon which the next season is ostensibly based, it an awful, awful piece of shit. It took G.R.R.M. five years to write it, and he has admitted that it was really hard for him to complete. This should be setting off warning bells in any real fan (the 5th book was better, but not by much). Book 4 advances none of the major storylines in any real way while getting bogged down exploring stupid little narrative tributaries that no one could possibly give a fuck about unless they are idiots. Approximately 25% of the book is devoted to describing the sigils of minor Houses and going into excruciating detail about what kinds of food people are eating. Not even joking here, if an editor had the balls to tell Martin to cut down the descriptions of food and house colors, Book 4 would be 200 pages shorter.

The moment where the propulsive momentum of the show crashed headlong into the squalid flaccidity of the novels was inevitable. I am skeptical that Martin will ever finish this book series, which would suck and I hope if that happens he gets stabbed to death by peasants with pitchforks. But, it is well known that he has given the show runners the story's broad strokes and I hope that they take that outline and run with it. So that is what we are seeing, I think. They are positioning themselves to run with the show in new and interesting directions because we have now reached the point where the books start to really suck. And, personally, I am excited for that because this show is awesome and the choices they have made have been very shrewd.
 
i totally disagree.

i was warned that book 4 and 5 were crap and thoroughly enjoyed both. it's inevitable, given the sheer size of this thing, that he was going to have to move away from some of the story-lines and characters of books 1-3 and start to lay the groundwork for what's to come.

while characters like daenerys, tyrion and jon and among my favourite characters, i don't have to be constantly spoon-fed the comfort of these regular characters to continue to enjoy this epic saga.

alasdair
 
^If books 4 and 5 are preparation, and, as reported above, Martin found it difficult to complete those books because his struggle is how to best gather narrative threads to work into the richest final tapestry that has been envisioned, then fine. But I think the worry is that all the superfluous backstiching and fiddling with his needle is because he doesn't know what he's sewing.
 
Maybe, maybe not. Jojen and Meera didn't show up until much later than they should have. Zombies were always going to be a problematic adaptation choice.
 
i guess she can be added in post - but the actress said she is not returning.
 
Anybody mind telling me (in NSFW tags, of course, or PM) what happens with Tyrion? Does his role become a more prominent one, or a more obscure "frey" character, as I've seen them called several times before in this thread?
 
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Theres too much filler on the plot lines, he should run into danny and together they mash up westeros, no dragging it out messing about


Anyone seen Vikings? i love that. finished season 2 the other day
 
alasdairm said:
^ look it up.

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Game_of_Thrones_Wiki
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_Page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyrion_Lannister

alasdair
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Holy shit, you want me to skim through three wiki- links to find out if a character becomes more central in the story or fades to the background?

Lol, I'll wait to watch it or read it firsthand if it's like that. You should already know I was trying to go about it the easy way to figure this out, man, but I knew I might get someone wanting me to fuck off with that question. %)




Thanks, Colt, I was worried he might fall into obscurity (who am I kidding? Or be killed himself) after the epic revenge that he got in the season 4 finale. I don't know why but I like that fuckin' dwarf.
 
Jibult said:
Holy shit, you want me to skim through three wiki- links to find out if a character becomes more central in the story or fades to the background?
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you could use any one of the three. it would have taken you as long to find out what happens to tyrion as it did for you to post your original message.

sorry you require spoon-feeding :\

alasdair
 
Jibult said:
Thanks, Colt, I was worried he might fall into obscurity (who am I kidding? Or be killed himself) after the epic revenge that he got in the season 4 finale. I don't know why but I like that fuckin' dwarf.
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You really should have NSFW'd this reply :! ;)
 
ColtDan said:
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Theres too much filler on the plot lines, he should run into danny and together they mash up westeros, no dragging it out messing about


Anyone seen Vikings? i love that. finished season 2 the other day
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Yeah, there's a thread somewhere down the page, worth checking out. I thoroughly enjoyed it - wasn't expecting much with it being from History Channel so it far exceeded anything I could have hoped for.
 
alasdairm said:
i was warned that book 4 and 5 were crap and thoroughly enjoyed both. it's inevitable, given the sheer size of this thing, that he was going to have to move away from some of the story-lines and characters of books 1-3 and start to lay the groundwork for what's to come.
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Isn't book 5 considered good by most? I certainly liked it. I'd rate them like this:
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