[QUOTE473]Interesting observation I just thought I'd add. 0.25mg pure Buprenorphine IVed (no naloxone) is a stronger higher than even 6mg+ sublingual/nasal. People keep saying Suboxone vs pure Buprenorphine maxes no difference, but I think what people are forgetting is Norbuprenorphine is a full agonist unlike Buprenorphine, but blocked by Buprenorphine. At lower doses of Buprenorphine, full agonist opiates can be taken on top, that includes Norbuprenorphine. Naloxone doesn't block Buprenorphine, and Buprenorphine blocks Norbuprenorphine, but Naloxone *does* block Norbuprenorphine as far as I'm aware, if my experience was related to Norbuprenorphine then the way I can compare the two is Norbupe is to Bupe as a 30mg IV of Morphine is to 60mg oral Codeine.. and this is why people get better effects from Subutex and other purely Buprenorphine medications.
At higher doses the difference is unnoticeable because you're already taking so much Bupe that it'll block the Norbuprenorphine anyway. I found 0.25mg Buprenorphine IV to be superior to IV morphine though, and the rush lasted around an hour, and was one of the best opiate experiences I've ever had. 4-6mg sublingual or nasal Buprenorphine feels like an opiate that's not quite there, it doesn't feel like you're getting the best out of it - but that 0.25mg IV felt better than most full agonist opiates I've tried, there's only two opiates that beat it, which are my favourite two most euphoric opiates that I rate higher than oxy, morphine etc.
I don't recommend IVing to anyone, but once again as I've probably said several times in this thread low dose Buprenorphine is where it's at. Low doses of Buprenorphine can be combined with other opiates without any issues, and provide a mixed partial agonist and full agonist buzz, while higher doses just provide a strong partial agonist buzz. Norbuprenorphine is just a lovely lovely thing. I'd pick that low dose over high doses of Buprenorphine every day, it felt like I was floating on a cloud and in heaven, when high doses of Buprenorphine don't really get me that high just chilled and relaxed - this was a real strong rush and awesome effects.
This post is targetted at those using recreationally, I think high doses are such a waste. In fact that same day that I tried that IV I then took 3mg sublingually and it completely killed my buzz. I was also speaking to someone about my experience and they said they have the same but with Suboxone even low doses don't provide any sort of rush IV further suggesting that Naloxone does block Norbuprenorphine.
Kinda babbling since I'm high but yeah, this was after a few grams of Butyr-Fentanyl over a few weeks, so I had a high tolerance, and 0.25mg of Bupe IVed was still enough to give me a better rush than IV morphine. I'm not surprised it's so popular in Finland and such where it's Subutex people get rather than Suboxone being more popular. Give me a choice between a nice syringe full of Morphine, 8mg of Bupe snorted/IVed/plugged/whatever and 0.25mg Bupe IVed and I'd pick the latter every time. I'm surprised I've not seen anyone else posting about such experiences in this thread, I know many of the people here are here for maintenance, but there's a lot of people using their Bupe recreationally too and when I see people talking about just taking 8mg sublingually or whatever it sort of makes me cringe when I've compared the two, and the 0.25mg IV was not only a better high, but that 8mg makes for 32 highs that way that are better than that one 8mg high..
On that note though I don't recommend IVing, use an enema, clear out your bowels, and then plug 0.25-0.5mg and see just how much better it is than high doses if you're a recreational user
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That's how I've used my bupe for. along with time I no longer IV but I still dose micrograms just sublingually or insufflation. I know about nor-bupe but I think the small dose of naloxone in .25 of suboxone isn't enough to cause a diminished high in MY experience anyways with subutex and suboxone I felt no difference dosing micrograms. I really only felt a difference when I was on the high starting dose of 8 mgs in the way of less side effects such as headaches.
Now that I know how strong this stuff is I only have used micrograms and I too enjoy it and feel it way more than I ever could have imagined on the high dose of 8 Mgs. I always wish I could just tell everybody how stupid it is to stay on huge doses of bupe thinking their getting the best high possible being on 32 mgs a day but all they feel is headaches and constipation. If they were on .5 mg they could feel like they took a few percocets but nooo they don't wana listen cause they can't believe less is better no matter how hard you try to drill it into their brain they keep taking 32 mgs everyday or even going up to 40mgs thinking that bupe is just a really weak shitty opiate when they could be getting high everyday taking micrograms. I once met a guy whose doctor had him on 40mgs of subutex a day for 7 years and his opiate receptors were fucked just hooped.
I wish everybody knew less is more I mean I don't get why people take so much I only needed 8mgs and I had a huge heroin habit I had kilos of it all the time I was doing an 8ball a day like a fucking idiot but still only needed 8mgs in detox I tried to get more but they said nope we don't do More than 8 just wait and see it will work and sure enough it did. All I needed was a split dose as the sub doesn't seem to last a long time which i think a lot of people need instead of someone taking 24mgs once a day they could of been taking 2mg twice a day I mean it should be common sense to not keep people on once daily doses.
I just wanted to add that IVing bupe is not nessesary I switched back to nasal once in a blue moon and sublingualy the rest of the time and I still get the same effects as IV without the risks the BA is lower but if you just up the dose a bit then all you you need to do is crush the pills up and wet your finger dip it into the sub and hold your finger with the sub powder on it under your tounge with the tounge stuck out put pressure on the finger and rub it into the veins under the tounge to make sure none is wasted in saliva like when you just stick a pill under you tounge. Snorting has a pretty high BA so its nice too. Also the sublingual route is a lot better after gargling with mouthwash that has alcohol.
I just don't find IVing that crap worth it anymore I wana try and stick to sublingual only eventually then quit it altogether.
