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Bupe Suboxone/Buprenorphine Mega Thread and FAQ v17.0 + v18.0

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^Thanls guys! Yeah, I tell people on Bluelight to do things that are very difficult for me to pull off myself...I'm a big baby when it comes to withdrawal symptoms...but then again, it's one of the shittiest feelings in the world...the sleeplessness is what turns it from feeling like complete shit to living hell on earth though!
 
Yeah that insomnia just seems to exacerbate everything. And even when your lucky enough to actually fall asleep it never lasts for more than an hour or two max. The broken sleep is such a tease and in a way is almost worse mentally than not sleeping period although, I know, some sleep is better than no sleep.
 
BlueHues said:
^Thanls guys! Yeah, I tell people on Bluelight to do things that are very difficult for me to pull off myself...I'm a big baby when it comes to withdrawal symptoms...but then again, it's one of the shittiest feelings in the world...the sleeplessness is what turns it from feeling like complete shit to living hell on earth though!
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Don't be hard on yourself, Bluehues, I think we're all guilty of not taking our own advice at times. I know I am lol.
I hope you feel better soon.
Evey
 
I agree Blue Hues.

It was hard for me to quit, but now I am real thankful I did and I realized that getting off suboxone helped me to address my underlying problems which seemed to "sustain" a problematic usage of bupe for me.

I still have a long way to go though, but it feels good to make small progress, even if it isn't much, it's something I can take pride in.
 
Flaga121 said:
Evel- I been good. Kicked the Bupe, but not opi's as a whole. Been taking Kratom like 5 days a weekish. I enjoy it, and don't mind managing the tolerance issues (i keep a stead 5-7 grams on the days I use). The legality is nice as well. Thanks for asking, how have things been?
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Have you dealt with Kratom withdrawals?

They were bad for me, they mask the opiate withdrawal quite well but when you try to put them down it gets nasty. I had crazy restlessness, not much of the physical aspect; some cramps, nothing major. But mentally I found it to be worse off than detoxing from oxys.
 
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BlueHues said:
^Thanls guys! Yeah, I tell people on Bluelight to do things that are very difficult for me to pull off myself...I'm a big baby when it comes to withdrawal symptoms...but then again, it's one of the shittiest feelings in the world...the sleeplessness is what turns it from feeling like complete shit to living hell on earth though!
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Honestly, I'm the same way about withdrawal man, I probably could tolerate so much more then I tell myself I can when I'm feeling sick. I agree about the insomnia being a problem too, it can be a hard thing when you know taking a drug will make it all go away but really, you just have to keep your mind on your goal and try to use any accomplishments you make what so ever as something to feel better to keep going forward. I personally was feeling a bit of a natural high at times when I tapered because, even though I didn't feel physically good, I was happy because for once, I was finally really trying to stop using bupe.
 
Zwanya said:
hey kids,

it's nice to be back in here after a few weeks away. do any of you have experience being on lyrica and bupe? I am going to begin tapering off of gabapentin and onto lyrica in the next week. will it affect me differently than it would if I weren't on bupe? Would I be able to take less bupe per day due to taking it? any and all experience/feedback is welcome.

cheers,
Z
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I'm on gabapentin right now, no clue about lyrica. I find taking gabapentin with my bupe can make me... Spacey to say the least. Do you have fibro? Just curious...

Also, pkpro, I'm talking around an issue I have. I don't take the 20 mg per day but that's what I'm scripted and *should* have in my system when I go see my doctor in a couple weeks. I've gotten myself down to 4-6 mg a day.
 
fullycaffeinated said:
I typed a friggen novel before so it may have got lost, if not sorry for repeating- anyone know how much bupe should be built up in my system at 20mg/day?
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It's not hard to figure out. The average half-life is 36 hours.. so it depends on how many days you've been taking it. But, lets just use 5 days as an example. 5 days is 120 hours, at 20mg's a day=100 total mg's, half life of 36 hours.

So, a formula you could use to figure out how much of a given drug is remaining in your system, is:

Final amount=Initial amount * (1/2)^n *n=number of half-lives *Calculate number of half-lives by time/half-life

So for your particular situation if you've been taking it 5 days, it'd be:

x=Initial amount * (1/2) ^n
x=100mg's * (1/2)^3.3
=100mg's * .10
=10

x=10mg's

So, just change the time to however many days you have actually been taking it (we just used 5 as an example) and get your answer.
 
tramal and suboxone (i dont know how to start a thread anywhere else-plz help)

I have been addicted to opiates for 20 years...I am now on suboxone and have severe back pain so the doc prescribes tramal...I'll be honest,I'm also trying to get high...he's upped my tramal from 100mgs to 200 mg tablets,I normally take 1000mgs and dont even feel it...can anyone tell me how you get a high whilst on suboxone combined with tramal and also,how do I start a thread in the suboxone area. I am a new member here. Cheers.:? Oh I am currently on 28 mg of suboxone film.
 
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Hiya KriZt

Did you see my reply to you on New Members Introductions?
I gave you some advice there where you could get some information about this.
Bronson has moved your thread to Other Drugs (that's with OD stands for.)

When you say "suboxone area," are you referring to the suboxone link I gave you? That is to a megathread, which is basically a thread that is created on a specific topic such as suboxone. Simply click the link to the thread, scroll down to the bottom and click "post quick reply" or you can click "reply with quote" at the bottom of a person's post in which you would like to quote and reply to.

I hope that helps you?

I would also advise you to look at the adoption programme on New Members Introductions, where someone will befriend you and help you with navigating around Bluelight until you are more familiar with the site.

Evey
 
You're not going to get high while you're on that much suboxone.. period. Especially with tramadol, but you can take a massive dose of IV heroin and still not get high on 28mg's of suboxone. So you're just out of luck unfortunately.

Gonna merge this with the bupe mega.
 
^Pretty much exactly what I was gonna say. 28mgs is an ungodly amount of buprenorphine...I know tramadol acts on other receptors as well, but you're not catching an opiate buzz from tramadol in a million years on that amount of suboxone! Plus, it lowers the seizure threshold and it would be dangerous to even attempt..
 
While that amount of bupe is ridiculous, I think his problem is simply tolerance to tramadol. I had no problem getting high on trams, despite my moderately high dose (16mg / day). I don't think it had much to do with opioid receptors, though, I don't know that it ever did for me. Maybe it's the serotonin release, I dunno, but it always gave me a mild sense of euphoria, a desire to talk and write more, but nothing I associate with opioid activity- no nose itches, no noddy dreams, just mild and long lasting euphoria and mild stimulation.

Edit: I should add that my dose and effects were unaffected by whether I was on subs. While they could give me a pleasant glow and stave off the effects of withdrawal, I never noted opioid effects.
 
Hi everyone - so I successfully got off suboxone 16 days ago. I had very minor withdrawal for the first 2 or 3 days. After that - no symptoms other than sneezing but I feel fine. Except about 5-7 days into the "post period" I started having sleeping issues. I feel fine at night - no withdrawal or restless legs...just insomnia. that has persisted ever since. Anyone experience this? Is this probably due to coming off the sub? No matter what I do - I can't seem to sleep more than 3 hours or so at a time - and then I wake up wide awake. If anyone has experienced this insomnia...how long does it last? I was going to try melatonin tonight - I havent tried that yet.
 
Captain.Heroin said:
I agree Blue Hues.

It was hard for me to quit, but now I am real thankful I did and I realized that getting off suboxone helped me to address my underlying problems which seemed to "sustain" a problematic usage of bupe for me.

I still have a long way to go though, but it feels good to make small progress, even if it isn't much, it's something I can take pride in.
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Congratulations Captain. Getting clean is not even close to easy. Its damn hard. Finding comfort in the successes is a very positive step towards a bright future. Small progress is WAY, WAY better than regress.

I've been lurking BL for a while and I enjoy your posts. And I'm proud of you. And when I get off bupe you'll have been one of my inspirations.
 
Has anyone had any success getting a buzz off Subs while on maintenance by altering amount of intake?

For instance what if I'm taking 1mg for a week then on a Saturday night decide to take 4mgs? I can expect to catch a traditional opiate buzz, right? Then if I go back to taking 1mg for another week I'll be good after a couple days taking 4mg again, right?

I understand this isn't the best way to handle maintenance but its where I am right now. I tapered down from 16mgs to 1mg and now I'm taking anywhere between 1mg and 3 mg a day. I don't have any plans to stop right now. But just having it in my system has been enough to prevent me from taking any full agonists in the 18 months I've been on subs.

Not sure I have the willpower to do what I say above but sure would make things more interesting....
 
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You'll never get a "traditional opiate buzz" from bupe, because it is not a traditional opiate.. People without an opiate tolerance still get really high from it, but for people with a tolerance and on maint, you're not going to get high on it no matter what dose you take. Also, bupe doesn't work in the way full agonist opiates work, where taking more increases the effects. Taking 10mg's of bupe for example is not going to get you "higher" than 5mg's.. it doesn't work that way. So, if you're on 1mg normally and then take 4.. you're barely going to notice any change, if at all. People on incredibly high doses of bupe, like 24mg's, can drop down to 8mg's, 4mg's, etc, and feel exactly the same.. no change. Where as with heroin, if you cut your dose in half, or by 100, 200%, etc.. it's a massive difference, same with increasing it by that much. That's because heroin unlike bupe, is a full agonist opiate where increases in dose are proportional to strength of effect.
 
Mr.Scagnattie said:
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You'll never get a "traditional opiate buzz" from bupe, because it is not a traditional opiate.. People without an opiate tolerance still get really high from it, but for people with a tolerance and on maint, you're not going to get high on it no matter what dose you take. Also, bupe doesn't work in the way full agonist opiates work, where taking more increases the effects. Taking 10mg's of bupe for example is not going to get you "higher" than 5mg's.. it doesn't work that way. So, if you're on 1mg normally and then take 4.. you're barely going to notice any change, if at all. People on incredibly high doses of bupe, like 24mg's, can drop down to 8mg's, 4mg's, etc, and feel exactly the same.. no change. Where as with heroin, if you cut your dose in half, or by 100, 200%, etc.. it's a massive difference, same with increasing it by that much. That's because heroin unlike bupe, is a full agonist opiate where increases in dose are proportional to strength of effect.
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This is spot on. Mr. Scag knows his stuff.

Evey
 
Lucas23 said:
Has anyone had any success getting a buzz off Subs while on maintenance by altering amount of intake?

For instance what if I'm taking 1mg for a week then on a Saturday night decide to take 4mgs? I can expect to catch a traditional opiate buzz, right? Then if I go back to taking 1mg for another week I'll be good after a couple days taking 4mg again, right?

I understand this isn't the best way to handle maintenance but its where I am right now. I tapered down from 16mgs to 1mg and now I'm taking anywhere between 1mg and 3 mg a day. I don't have any plans to stop right now. But just having it in my system has been enough to prevent me from taking any full agonists in the 18 months I've been on subs.

Not sure I have the willpower to do what I say above but sure would make things more interesting....
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Yep if your down to 1 mg then if you go and take 5 it should give you a decent glow don't know if its worthy of being a high exactly I agree with Mr S in the fact you will never get a traditional opiate high like when you were nodding out on heroin but it can still give you a good buzz I like the buzz from sub's better than heroin sometimes because its a good uplifting feeling which gives lots of energy unlike heroin which can make you feel like you weigh a thousand pounds during the day because its so strong.

What I would do to catch a buzz is get down to say .5 mgs then take 2 mgs and you should feel pretty dam good that's what I do I dose in micrograms then when I want to get a better buzz I do 2 mgs cause anything more than 2 mgs isn't gonna go effect you more than 2 mgs would for example somebody takes 4 mgs and says dam that felt good so if I take 8mgs next time it should be twice as good right? This is not so with bupe like mr S said 4 mgs will feel the same in our brain as taking 8mgs or even 32 mgs all higher doses do is cause constipation and other un wanted side effects.

So dose in micro grams and you will feel no different than taking high doses plus with your tolerance down you can get a rush every time you take it cause your receptors arnt totally filled up with bupe and are able to let more bupe covert to nor-bupe which gives you the good feeling. What I do is dose multiple times a day instead of all at once this works better for pain and getting high that's how its prescribed when given for pain instead of matinence is in doses of .25 mgs every 4-5 hours as needed.
 
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