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The Big & Dandy 4-AcO-DMT Thread - Act Four

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just had about 20mgs in a gelcap on empty stomach. 50 mins in now & feeling trippy, the usual tryptamine colours... warm feeling. Music sounds a little altered.
 
Morkin said:
just had about 20mgs in a gelcap on empty stomach. 50 mins in now & feeling trippy, the usual tryptamine colours... warm feeling. Music sounds a little altered.
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Have a great trip man, good vibes comin your way :D. I too find psilacetin very colorful, I get colorful swirls, brighter vivid colors (especially on the TV) and great CEV's... not soo much detailed fractals though. What I find weird is mushrooms give me very little visuals while 4-aco-dmt gives me plenty and definately more colorful as well. I love psilacetin :) maybe this week I'll give it a go and chase it with 2c-c on the comedown or mix it with aMT if I'm feeling like tripping a while.
 
Thanks! It was fun. Laughed a lot at silly things - or for no reason but a sort of excitement. Colours and sparks pretty much over... 5 hours in. Eyes still huge. Lots of yawning. Very fun, light, silly trip. Good stuff. Time for sleeping pills.
 
Glad your trip went well :D. Truely benevolent stuff if you ask me. The duration is the only thing I'd change about it, I'm usually back to baseline in 4-5 hours regardless of dose. I hear of people saying it's more drawn out and longer lasting due to the fact that it has to metabolize into psilocin... NOT the case for me, I can feel it coming up within 20 mins and down by he 5th hour TOPS. Also the effects feel quite different than shrooms so while *some* psilacetin may be converted to psilocin I believe psilacetin is active in it's own right. Like I said shrooms for me have always been pure mind-fuck and little visuals while 4-aco is the complete opposite. It's not like baocystin (sp?) Is causing the huge difference of effects between the two.
 
Thanks.
I don't have the knowledge to speculate about chemistry, but I certainly appreciated the brevity of the trip (sounds similar to yours). Something you can do in an evening. If I wanted a day's vacation I'd eat AMT. :)

I'm looking forward to exploring the dimensions of this material. I'd be interested to hear about higher dosages.
 
my thoughts on some common questions, I find no difference really dosage wise when it comes to brown mould'y like clumps or really nice powder of it. I haven't compared the both recently side on side, but had a good bash at 20-30mg caps of brown batches, then white, now brown was initially disappointed despite hearing it means nothing but tested thoroughly and it's same difference benign if there. As for white stuff I just stored in dark placed in bag in another and no real degrading, maybe a tiny, tiny bit but it is fairly stable if your even careless and it doesn't really make a difference as I'm saying.

The only problem is insufflating is my favorite ROA for this just to avoid stomach more (imo) and you can't properly rail the brown stuff its completely different form. But it also means I'm more likely to fast/small meals before so less nausea. Also more like the shroom experience for any mystis

As for doses 25-30mg is good for me, I often when doing 25mg think i should've done more as this is such a nice chem. You may get a brief uncomfortable hour if you've had bad thoughts, but that's all part of the experience, after it's just a smooth bliss. But for most people 20-25(max) is a good way to start. I would say if you are familiar with what a psychedelic can entail and benzos at hand this one is fine, any anxiety/heavy bpm you experience on comeup is all good afterwords its fantastic.

@CaptainKratom - just metabolisms maybe? Also don't know much about that experience with those two combined but combining phens + trips e.g. LSD/Psilocin/DMT but it's gotta be a good timing/dosing for synergy.

Would love to know more about all these ancient experiences of fasting and mental preparation for extremely intense psy experiences followed by chanting mantras related to your culture, must have been fucking nuts.
 
@CaptainKratom - just metabolisms maybe? Also don't know much about that experience with those two combined but combining phens + trips e.g. LSD/Psilocin/DMT but it's gotta be a good timing/dosing for synergy
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Idk how slower or faster metabolization would make the two polar opposites for me so I think psilacetin has gotta be at least somewhat active in it's own right. I also gave both those combos ago and they are both winners, my favorite combo ever was the combo of aMT+4-aco-dmt+2c-c. The latter two must be taken as the peak fades from the aMT and at the same time, plugged works best to mow through the tolerance created by the aMT. Extreme visual and euphoric bliss which fades gently and smoothly.
 
So i'm wondering if i should buy 4-aco-dmt.
I'm suffering from emetophobia, OCD (nowhere near as bad as a few years back, i got rid of it but now it's starting to come back, and i don't want it controlling my life again), (social) anxiety, depression and suicidal thoughts. I have kind of a paranoid behaviour, sometimes i have paranoid periods, last bad one was the summer of 2012, i'd wake up shaking 'cause i was so paranoid, i'd have a knife tucked in by the bed and i'd walk around the apartment certain there was someone there. I've tried to commit suicide before, and also practiced my method at home, i have slight speech impediment (kind of a mumbling when i talk and occasional stuttering), bad balance and amnesia as a result of this. I figured this will play a role in whether or not i should try this substance.
It is very crippling, the main problem here is the emetophobia which pretty much has brought on most of my psychological issues.

Some of my drug usage history:
I'm a recovering benzo addict.
I occasionally use codeine and i rarely use opium. The opium i smoke with cannabis as i get kind of like an entheogenic effect, it helps to keep me grounded and it motivates me to do something about my life. But i still have my psychological problems which makes it kinda hard.

Some of my past:
I barely know my father. Growing up i had to spend every other weekend at his place 'cause my mom is almost deaf so she needed to rest 'cause i always followed her around 'cause i didn't really have any friends growing up.
I'd spend every other weekend at dad's watching TV in the morning, then he'd leave me at home to play golf for like 5 hours, he'd come home and start drinking and just change the channel on the telly to watch golf, i'd spend rest of the day looking out the window and listening to him moaning about me not hanging out with people.
I was bullied in school. Made fun off, got beat up, threatened, chased home from school. One girl in my class used to protect me, her brother has quite a reputation around my area and is greatly respected.
Growing up i had to console my mother 'cause she'd usually start crying after her and dad had got off the phone 'cause they were always yelling and stuff.
Mum and I had some problems with me in my early teenager years where we'd always fight and i'd get kicked out, but i was always let back in later.
Last summer i was almost kidnapped because i used to sell tramadol, the guy had robbed me before.
I worked at a pharmacy which really got my addiction going, i worked there for 2 weeks, i had enough benzos under my couch for 4 months, and i stole tramadol to sell 'cause it's popular in my area. This was like a year or so before the attempted kidnapping.

Secondary, i went for a few months, i never went for a week straight though 'cause i was bullied there too, 'cause of my social anxiety, i had my own room to study in, but people tried to kick the door in and all that. So after a few months i'd had enough of that and i dropped out.
This was like 3 and a half years ago and i've had nothing to do. I have a few friends but i rarely see them. My best friend lives in England and we talk everyday.
Being home for all these years certainly made my psychological problems worse.

I've gone to CBT, talk therapy and all that. CBT helped a LOT, but i had to leave the place when i turned 18. The guy working with me sent me to rehab a few months before i turned 18, but he still worked with me.
Meds i'm currently prescribed are promethazine and alimemazine. I've quit the promethazine and i'm tapering down on the alimemazine 'cause i've been on them since i was like 15, cannabis made me realise i need to learn to sleep naturally and not with pharmaceuticals.
Cannabis helped me with OCD as well.

So i was wondering, how useful do you think it'd be for me to use this substance as a crotch? I don't really need it to fix my life straight up by itself, which i doubt anything could. But i'd like something to help me mentally, so i can just get around dealing with these problems.
I'm almost 20 and i've been living almost like a recluse for years now, and i have suicide on my mind everyday. No strong suicidal thoughts, but i think about it pretty much everyday. I would love to just being able to live my own life and eventually move to england to live with my best friend. He's into psychedelics as well.
I don't wanna be here tripping balls in my room, i'd just like some help psychologically.
Sorry for the long post, but i figured this information would be necessary.
 
Seb: I suggest you don't do it. I doubt this substance will work as a "crutch". But as you have come here to ask the guinea pigs for advice, I suspect you have already made your decision to have a go.
 
No, i was unsure whether it was a good idea or not. I thought i'd be better off getting some opinions first.
 
If you are not in the right "head-space" you will probably have a bad trip (and from you have detailed, your life is tough!). I suppose the worse that can happen is fear and misery for a few hours. Take a look at the trip reports... That will help you figure out whether it is worth the risk for you. I have mostly enjoyed the substance and would usually recommend it to anyone interested.
 
Hey guys I need advice: I just got 100mg of the fumerate salts and was interested in taking a tiny dose at a big festival in April. I have done shrooms about 5 times with varying degrees of success. Several times I absolutely loved them but I had a bad (not terrible) trip the last time I took them (5 years ago).

I am thinking of taking just above threshhold (6-8mg) and possibly combining with MDMA and/or weed. I can get paranoid on shrooms when I am around a large group people but I am pretty sure I can talk myself though anxiety if I took a minor dose. Also, if things go south a small dose will allow me to start drinking or benzo myself before all hell breaks loose.

I can handle my shit pretty well but nothing would be worse than being in a enclosed area with 20,000 people having a bad trip. Also, with all the stimulation going on at a festival, it may be easier for me to get lost in the music.

Thoughts? Ideas?

Thanks.
 
10mg + mdma will definitely be different to just md, and it's unlikely you'll freak out
 
6-8mg is a pretty low dose for 4-AcO, I think combined with MDMA it will be a beautiful experience! Normally I would advise against taking this stuff at a fest, but at that amount it shouldn't be an issue if you're experienced.
 
After having tripped hundreds of times, 4-AcO-DMT is the only long lasting psychedelic that I still approach with caution. It seems to give me a radically different experience every time, and the trip seems volatile and erratic, transitioning from uncontrollable sobbing to euphoric dancing in under a minute. Totally mind fucking and impossible to control. Am I the only one who finds 4-AcO-DMT to be this unpredictable?
 
I find it to be extremely mild, melancholy, boring and not worth ever exploring again. I only had 15 trials with it but they were basically all the same. A dud of a psychedelic in my opinion.
 
entheo said:
I find it to be extremely mild, melancholy, boring and not worth ever exploring again. I only had 15 trials with it but they were basically all the same. A dud of a psychedelic in my opinion.
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That's really weird. What dosages did you try?
 
Damn, do you get decent trips with standard doses of other psychedelics? Would you get a mild trip with, say, 15mg 2C-E?
 
That would be bordering on threshold. For 2C-E I generally blow 35-40mg at least. I've always been a hard head to psyches and low doses make me feel incredibly uncomfortable. I refuse to dose orally these days because the negative side effects are more pronounced across a longer period of time. I like to blast off into hyperspace.
 
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