Why is the European rave scene so much better than the American (IMO)?

itt: huge, sweeping, presumptuous generalisations.

that said, sometimes it's good to discuss in general terms.

i think a more interesting question is, if you think the scene sucks, what are you doing to make it better?

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Come to Minneapolis we give Europe a run for it's money, in fact I saw some European artist's last week here in MPLS on the Datsik Firepower tour, it all depends where you are in America.

I FUCKING HATE TC DUBSTEP, THE ORIGINAL CREATOR WAS AMAZING AND STILL IS, ANYONE RUNNING TC CAN SUCK MY FAT ASS FUCKING DICK.

As much as I hate them, they put up a european style event that is mindblowing, but thats because our city has skyways, a buffet of drugs and security looks left.

Fuck TC dubstep and skyway, I will clean up all your problems such as the BK-mdma Addicts.
 
Does anyone know if there are even any American hardstyle/gabber djs? I don't think I've ever come across one. Even just regular hardcore is hard enough to find.
 
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Ron D. Core spins hardcore. He runs a record shop in orange county. He's keeping hardcore/gabber scene alive in Los Angeles.

DJ Tron was based out of Chicago. By far my favorite hardcore dj. Unfortunately he died a couple years ago. :(
 
nuttynutskin said:
Does anyone know if there are even any American hardstyle/gabber djs? I don't think I've ever come across one. Even just regular hardcore is hard enough to find.
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Oh yeah, I know a few Hardstyle DJs. Wheelz is a local legend around here, he "spins" in a wheelchair lol



Hard Dance is usually in the side rooms around here though, not mainstage.
 
nuttynutskin said:
Does anyone know if there are even any American hardstyle/gabber djs? I don't think I've ever come across one. Even just regular hardcore is hard enough to find.
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Lenny Dee, Delta 9, Rob Gee, Jen Mas, Omar Santana. to name a few. One of the hardest labels is run by Lenny Dee, Industrial Strength Records.

Hardcore/speedcore was much bigger here in the 90's. If hard dance is what you like then yes, europe is better for seeing a wide variety of hard DJ's and producers at one event.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKydEDTEoOE

(RIP Nicky Fingers!)
 
Yeah I like Delta 9 and Omar Santana. I'm not that familiar with Lenny Dee although I have heard a few of his tracks and some other Industrial Strength artists as well. Couldn't tell you who tho, was quite a while ago.

That D.O.A. is pretty cool and it sounds like they sampled a Type O Negative riff. (From their cover of Summer Breeze.)
 
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Something I've always wondered... It seems like as far as sheer quantity of festivals/raves, and also for that type of techno, America doesn't even hold a candle to Europe. And I'm not saying there's no good American artists and raves at all, but unlike Europe they seem to be few and far between, and also more based in house and electro than say gabber, hardstyle, hardcore, etc. Is it just a regional thing?
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I feel you man I'm from america but really those raves like that are just really mainstream raves, I'm from Hawaii and the best rave I've been to was actually here in hawaii not edc Vegas and those other raves
 
I think there is quite a fine line between a "rave" and a festival. Now all festivals seem to have are big room trap and house, whereas raves have encompass the underground sounds and styles. It's to the point in the US where everybody hires ghost producers, prerecords their sets, and stands on stage jumping around worshiping themselves while a CD plays in the background. Not only that, but as far as festivals go the sounds are all the same. Go onto beatport and the electro house and progressive charts both sound literally exactly the same as you go through the top 100. And then there is big room trap with the same sounds sped up to 140-150 with 808s thrown on top instead of 4 on the floors. It's to the point where nobody knows who made what song, it all just sounds like the same overcompressed, overplayed, and overhyped shit as everyone plays the same exact nonsense stage to stage... Stick to the underground scene and it's quite the opposite. The music is pure and full of variety, and the artists are in it solely for the love of the music and not the image. You get people of all sorts in underground "raves" vs. the festival scene which seems to be slowly turning into one giant frat party...
 
As far as the original subject of discussion goes, I'd say cos we more or less invented it here. At least in the form so many aspire to. There's bad "raves" and bad music the world over (here in Blighty too and no mistake) but I don't know of anywhere else that took certain (mostly US, let's be honest) influences and turned them into a... a thing which forced all UK residents below a certain age to take electronic music seriously even if they'd previously loathed it. There are many artists/DJs/whatever from any country you care to name that can turn out a belter of a tune now... that wasn't always the case though and - although I (and all sane folk) fully accept there was a massive US (in pockets certainly) influence on our current electronic music scene - no other country does it in quite the same style. AFAIK "we" mostly invented the free party scene. Those mass-market things known as "raves" elsewhere are really not the same thing... Not saying y'all don't do the illegality thing in style too at times but is not as embedded in the cultural mindset as far as I can tell.

My opinion and so forth.

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Shambles said:
As far as the original subject of discussion goes, I'd say cos we more or less invented it here.[....] AFAIK "we" mostly invented the free party scene. Those mass-market things known as "raves" elsewhere are really not the same thing... Not saying y'all don't do the illegality thing in style too at times but is not as embedded in the cultural mindset as far as I can tell.
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Oft that is a stormer of a mix shambles! Totally agree with what you are saying, the whole scene of "rave" developed here, from acid house, breakbeat and "oldschool", through to jungle, gabba and happy hardcore. In fact that bong ra mix put me in mind of a moving shadow compilation charting the history of rave from oldschool breakbeat to jungle:
 
Added both of those to watch later. Watched the first 5 or so minutes of Bong-Ra and that was pretty cool. Not something I would normally listen to but a nice change.
 
It's probably because they play more techno instead of stinky dubstep. The're usually more techno and the techno is usually better. ;) :D
 
Stonerhenge said:
It's probably because they play more techno instead of stinky dubstep. The're usually more techno and the techno is usually better. ;) :D
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Not really. People hate Big Room and Electro House and Dubstep. But Progressive hoise and Dubstep (at least more underground) gets played at raves in the UK. America's "rave" scene is not a rave scene. Almost all of what is part of this scene is mainstream festivals and concerts been labelled as raves. This is in contrast to real underground raves that have been going on for years.

Free parties and squat parties are what make up the majority of raves in the UK and parts of Europe. In the UK the free party scene is dominated by trance, particularly psytrance, and techno. In the inner cities (mostly in the South and Midlands, London, Bristol, Brighton, Birmingham and the East Anglia) a lot of Drum and Bass (especially jump up), Dubstep House. Deep house has become popular and Jackin House in the North.

Both are differ from each other and significantly from the mainstream festival crowd in the USA.

I should also mention. The club nights and "legal" free parties (or ones that get the consent of the owners of buildings or land). This has a cross of underground followers of certain rave hosts and mainstream people who wouldn't go to an illegal rave.

I would say the people and the atmosphere. I'm sure you can find proper raves and not just mainstream festivals in America. Just have to search hard.
 
Lots of farm, ranch and woods parties/minifestivals in my part of the US, even a few warehouse parties here and there that are usually psytrance mostly. Big festivals are lame but there is plenty of small events with every genre for the underground head in the midwest.
 
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