Dear Rick Ross: Drugging Her Drink For Sex Is Rape

[Apostacious]

I listened to about 2 minutes of this and quickly remembered why I can't stand Rick Ross. To those that are saying that dosing someone without their permission and subsequently manipulating them when they have diminished rational capacities into having sex is not rape: what would you say if he did this with another man who is himself, either not gay or really would have no interest in Ross otherwise? Would that be rape then? Surely, Rick Ross is one fat, ugly slob, and I doubt he can get laid any other way (unless he throws money at them). It's too bad that wannabe trash like him have any exposure whatsoever.

 

[Cornishman]

The timing of this lyric couldn’t be worse as women in Delhi fight to protect their womanhood from rape

This.

They could of at least waited for a better time. 8)

 

[slimvictor]

I wouldn't call it rape if it was MDMA and she was conscious and willing.

I somehow kind of missed this the first time I read through, but I have to agree with Ho Chi-Minh here.
It seems like shishigami is saying that people who knowingly choose to take drugs should not be held responsible for their actions while on the drugs, and I can't agree with this.

 

[20max10]

Just seems a little off how they don't bat an eyelid when rappers talk about murdering people, but kick up a stink when they talk about drugging someones drink. I would say that murdering someone is a little bit worse lol.

Its a rap song anyway, it didn't actually happen.

 

[CageKennylz]

Fucked up.
Rap and Hip-Hop can sound very funky, but misogyny is a deal-breaker for me.
Disrespecting anyone, including women, people of different races or religions, and people of different sexual orientations, is a deal-breaker for me.
Fucking a passed-out woman's unresponsive body is not sex, it is rape, and it seems quite similar to necrophilia to me. I don't get it.
Having sex with someone passionate and interested (and participating) can be so good, but could sex with a half-dead person ever be good?
Something is deeply wrong with these people.

Don't blame the whole genre. There's plenty of hip-hop artists making great music.

 

[Paradoxlogos]

Just seems a little off how they don't bat an eyelid when rappers talk about murdering people, but kick up a stink when they talk about drugging someones drink. I would say that murdering someone is a little bit worse lol.

Its a rap song anyway, it didn't actually happen.

This! This! This!

 

[slimvictor]

Don't blame the whole genre. There's plenty of hip-hop artists making great music.

I didn't blame the whole genre - re-read my post carefully, and I think you will agree.
Maybe you were making a general warning? If so, I can understand it.
I love hip-hop, but only listen to music with lyrics that don't offend my sensibilities as a human being.

 

[PurpleKush1]

thsi guy is a big fucking joke, he used to be a correctionasl officer but love talkin how he movin DEM BRICKS NIGGA fucking fat bastard he cant rap for shit and no doubt he has to spike her fucking drink there is no other way unless thowin money lool

 

[23536]

Just seems a little off how they don't bat an eyelid when rappers talk about murdering people, but kick up a stink when they talk about drugging someones drink. I would say that murdering someone is a little bit worse lol.

This comes up in the Wire too: they usually only rap about murdering people who are "in the game" (including cops). If they rapped about murdering innocent civilians, there'd be controversy, and not the good kind.

 

[20max10]

This comes up in the Wire too: they usually only rap about murdering people who are "in the game" (including cops). If they rapped about murdering innocent civilians, there'd be controversy, and not the good kind.

Im not trying to be rude but I doubt you've listened to much rap if you think this is true. I've heard plenty rap songs where murdering civilians is mentioned. Maybe the newer rappers like Rick Ross/ Lil Wayne don't say things like that, I wouldn't know as I don't listen to them much.

 

[23536]

Im not trying to be rude but I doubt you've listened to much rap if you think this is true. I've heard plenty rap songs where murdering civilians is mentioned. Maybe the newer rappers like Rick Ross/ Lil Wayne don't say things like that, I wouldn't know as I don't listen to them much.

I've listened to a fair amount. Who are you thinking of?

 

[20max10]

I've listened to a fair amount. Who are you thinking of?

I usually listen to the older 90s stuff, I can't think of an example at the minute, I probably should have thought of one before I made that post to be honest lol
Anyway I don't really think it matters, because someone talking about doing something in a song, no matter horrible the thing is, is in my opinion fine because its just a song and they're not actually doing it. >99% of rappers have never shot/killed anyone, and I doubt that Rick Ross drugs peoples drinks to have sex with them

 

[23536]

I usually listen to the older 90s stuff, I can't think of an example at the minute, I probably should have thought of one before I made that post to be honest lol
Anyway I don't really think it matters, because someone talking about doing something in a song, no matter horrible the thing is, is in my opinion fine because its just a song and they're not actually doing it. >99% of rappers have never shot/killed anyone, and I doubt that Rick Ross drugs peoples drinks to have sex with them

I remember in 1995 Gravediggaz were making horror rap, along with a few other groups.



This trend never really took off, and it was more of a parody of the excesses of gangster rap:



(good song though, the Kool G Rap one)

 

[!_MDMA_!]

tech n9ne brotha lynch and eminem are/were all horrorcore rappers

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Fuck that shit.

 

[SAMCRO]

Nothing new really. I'm pretty sure 90% of rappers rap about shit they've never done. Like Ross sayin he was a baus coke dealer who moves kilos when really he worked as a CO. If you wanna hear some real reprehensible shit listen to Brotha Lynch.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

It doesn't really matter if you call it rape good sir. It whether she felt she was taken advantage of in some way. Also in a number of states you can not give consent if under the influence. Let's say that instead of something that made her slightly more likely to be intimate you gave her something that literally made her want to jump your bones. She would probably be conscious and willing at that moment but talk to her when the drugs are off and she's going to hate your fucking guts.

This kind of thing happens all the time with alcohol, with both sexes. I stand that it's not rape.

 

[shishigami]

I somehow kind of missed this the first time I read through, but I have to agree with Ho Chi-Minh here.
It seems like shishigami is saying that people who knowingly choose to take drugs should not be held responsible for their actions while on the drugs, and I can't agree with this.

Legally they are not. You can't consent to sex while under the influence. That is a law in many cases. Do I personally believe that is morally the right thing, no not always. But the line between actions someone wants to take and doesn't want to take become blurred when drugs are involved. I could have sex with a very drunk girl who at the time was falling down but said she wanted to fuck me and I could get charged with rape. Maybe in this case it's not actually rape. I could have sex with a very drunk girl who was falling down but didn't say no. That's rape.

Frankly, that's not even that important to this lyric. Someone is drugged against their will and has sex they would not otherwise be having if they were not drugged > they are being taken advantage of > rape.

 

[Clocktower]

I hope we can all agree that a rape victim is never responsible for the rape.

 

[Crankinit]

Legally they are not. You can't consent to sex while under the influence. That is a law in many cases. Do I personally believe that is morally the right thing, no not always. But the line between actions someone wants to take and doesn't want to take become blurred when drugs are involved. I could have sex with a very drunk girl who at the time was falling down but said she wanted to fuck me and I could get charged with rape. Maybe in this case it's not actually rape. I could have sex with a very drunk girl who was falling down but didn't say no. That's rape.

Frankly, that's not even that important to this lyric. Someone is drugged against their will and has sex they would not otherwise be having if they were not drugged > they are being taken advantage of > rape.

But if both participants are equally intoxicated, then aren't they raping each other? What if the guy would never have decided to have sex with that woman if he was sober, isn't his decision making, and subsequently his consent, just as compromised as hers? Why do we automatically assume that the man is some kind of abusive predator and the woman is a passive victim? IMO people should be held responsible for their actions when they're intoxicated, and this cuts both ways.

Anyway, the lyric is stupid, anyone who got drugged with MDMA would notice pretty quickly.

I hope we can all agree that a rape victim is never responsible for the rape.

Nobody said they were dude, no need to fish for inappropriate comments just to start an argument.