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Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ II - show me the blood

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Hey, i'm new here but been reading up and noticed there's a lot of "freaking out" posts on here. I feel I've experienced a lot of mishaps along the way and have never ended up in ER or had an abscess etc. Just wanted to tell of some of my experiences to maybe put someone's mind at rest?

I must state, I am not advising anyone, I am not a doctor/professional, just an experienced IVDU.

Misses: IME, when you miss, it hurts. You know! I've ALWAYS blown up/bruised when I miss. Plus, the rush/taste/smell doesn't come!
Mostly my partner hits me as I'm a nightmare to hit but I can and have also done myself. If you are missing the vein, you can usually feel resistance on the plunger. It should flow in easily if you are in the vein. Try somewhere else. If there's blood in the pin, use it as quick as you can or it will congeal. Depends on your blood, some people's blood congeals quicker than others(me). You can re cook the hit. I always change syringe though.

Hitting a nerve: IME, when you hit a nerve, it really hurts, like a bee sting and you gotta get that needle out right away! Not had any lasting damage as I couldn't bear the needle to stay in, never mind shoot!

Hitting an artery: IME, It hurts! It doesn't hurt really bad like a miss but it feels weird, like you are getting a dead arm. I knew as the stuff was going in, both times that it was wrong!
I swelled up really bad, was bright red and really painful to touch. It was worse when I woke up next day. Really painful. I left it a day to see if it got any worse, deciding to get medical advice if it did, but fortunately it didn't. I just bruised really badly. It took about a week to recover.

Burning: IME, I live in the UK so we use Vit C or Citric Acid here to clean up our gear when we cook it up. If too much is used, it burns like hell. This also causes a rash which looks like a nettle sting. White lumps on a red backround. Usually around the injection site and it often travels up the vein and often itches quite a lot. It usually goes away after about 20-30 mins and is quite ugly but quite common.
Also, sometimes just hitting a small vein burns. Go slow on the plunger. I've often had to stop mid way through a hit to let the pain peak, then carry on and it goes away. There wasn't any lasting pain afterwards.

Numbness: IME, I have had small and quite large areas of my hand and arm go numb. Usually when I've hit a nerve but it has happened on a couple of occasions for no reason I'm aware of. It did not last longer than a day.

Rolling Veins: It helps me to use the thumb if you can, to rest against the vein on one side and approach it from the other so it has nowhere to go.

Generall, I feel discomfort/burning/slight swelling and slight bruising in any places I use, other than the big veins in the body. Like the crook of the elbow/Top of my arms/my groin(not recommended). My hands are particularly prone to swelling and bruising. Be very careful around your hands, there are a lot of nerves (I think I've found them all)!!!!!!

Itching: IME, this happens a lot and is a common symptom from Opiates. It also depends on the gear. Sometimes the itch is much stronger than others, particularly your nose.

Lumps and bumps: IME, I often get little lumps at the injection site. These are sometimes scarring (if you use the vein for a long time), plunging too quick, flushing or sometimes it just happens. As long as they are not painful, red and swollen, I find they do usually go away in time with no problems except feeling and sometimes looking a bit freaky!


NEVER share needles, use clean everything, every time. I really believe this is the key to not getting infections/abscesses etc. Would you eat off the toilet? So why put your works there to cook up?
Know your body and know your limits. Don't hit alone. And never try hitting yourself till you have had someone experienced show you how/help you if they will.
Not trying to patronise anyone, just want to tell of my own experiences in the hope that someone can relate and maybe not panic/help. If in doubt, see a doctor!!!!!!!!!!

Linz
 
What happens when you're digging for a vein and you pull back and get air should you "inject" the air back (till the gear is back near the end) and then carry on finding the vein? Also how much water to UK brown heron do you use? normallly I shoot about 3/4 bags so need to do it in two is 0.4ml per 180mg bag alright?
 
I usually just leave the air, find a vein, pull back, register, then inject it all. It is not harmful to inject even a syringe full of air (1mL) It gets bad at over 10mL when you actually develop a chance of getting a pulmonary embolism.
 
As movolution said above, it's ok to shoot that little bit air as it would take a whole lot more than that to cause you any problems, even a whole syringe worth wouldn't be as bad as the stories you hear but I wouldn't recommend trying it!!!! I've read up on it as it was something which really worried me as I'd injected a little bit of air before as It took so long to find a vein, I didn't want to pull out and have to go through it all again. I was worried sick afterwards though so did my homework after that. Was a relief to read the facts and I read it more than once and from medical sources. I think people tend to blow things way out of proportion sometimes and what begins as a little story can often end up like an epic blockbuster movie storyline within a day! I've heard some real whoppers and some really scary things. That's why I posted, I noticed a lot of people on here seemed really scared and I hoped to maybe put someone's mind at rest as much as you can in these situations. I've heard so Many horror stories over the years and if I listened to them all, I think I'd be scared to leave the house, never mind stick a needle full of drugs in my veins daily! Someone once said to me, you are playing Russian Roullette every time you stick that thing in your veins. To a point that's true but lots of things are dangerous or bad for you. You can make it as safe as you can though by taking precautions. I like this site as there's alot of advice on hygene. That is the major cause of most of the complications associated with IVDU. Not using clean and new "works", being hygenic in yourself and not looking after yourself. Plus, not knowing what you are buying. You can't know but you can again minimise the risk to a point by using a trusted source, doing it in company, not taking too much of a new supply till you've tried it out for example. And know what you are doing! Try finding veins etc. after a hot bath or working out for example. That's how I find new places to hit when I'm struggling with it. Use common sense too. You know your body better than anyone so you will know best how much you generally bruise/bleed/take to heal when cut etc. If things don't seem to be getting any better after 24 hours for me, then I start to think about seeing a doctor. Thankfully, to date I haven't needed to see one and I have had a few misses/artery/nerve hits. There are good facts at the start of this thread and generally on the net so arm yourself with info, facts and diagrams. And learn from someone experienced. They have already had all the misses etc. and should help you avoid this as much as is possible, save you doing it! There's no 100% "safe" way to inject drugs but you can minimise risks by being as prepared as you possibly can.

Anyways, to answer your question (sorry for rambling on), it depends on how much H you use. I tend to use as little water as possible. I use 1ml insulin syringes and 30 units of water per bag (usually 0.2g bags). This isn't a hard and fast rule though. I don't shot more than two at a time and usually use between 50 and 60 units for the two bags. I like less water as I like to get it over quicker and I hope that by injecting less fluid and taking it slowly that I am maybe doing little if any damage and not traumatising my poor veins and that I won't accidently slip out of the vein which happens to me often, no matter how steady my hand is.

I have heard that over the years, your body gets to know when you are about to inject and your veins in effect "hide" from you by retracting. Does anyone know if there's any truth in this? I tend to not listen to these sort of stories, I prefer to know facts but this is one of the things (like the air bubble thing) that's had me really wondering if it's true out of pure curiosity.

Stay safe, have fun, take care.
Linz x
 
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IV user complications

Hi.

I've been a long time lurker on this site for 6-7 years now but this is my first thread. I have some concerns for SWIM because she is the occasional IV user. She is not physically dependent on her doc but she does enjoy her time once in awhile.

I remember last summer and all throughout winter, she would inject heroin and opiates maybe once a week but since the beginning of this summer she has slowed down a lot. Usually she injects drugs about once a month at the most.

She has never had any problems with it before and she never had an issue finding the vein, even when she was doing this more often. But after going hiatus for awhile and then only doing this once a month, she seems to have problems finding an injection site every time. You cannot feel the veins and she ends up never getting in the veins at all. Even her more experienced friends are baffled at the fact that she doesn't have any visible veins and half the time the drug will go to waist.

Swim is starting to get really frustrated but prefers this method of use. I am worried about her and I don't understand how everyone around her has way better success than she does. I don't understand how she had No problems getting it on the first try when she did this more often than she does now.

Does anyone know of any good articles online or have any advice for my friend? I know she has poor circulation in her legs and ankles. She is only 27 years old but she has visible vericose veins on her legs so it probably affects her blood flow. She has never tried injecting in her hand or anywhere but her arms, but for obvious reasons, she would prefer a more experienced user to show her how to do that. But even those experienced users are amazed at how difficult it is. Sometimes she is able to do it successfully, but most of the time it becomes more of an annoying chore rather than a calming experience. What should I tell her? Any good articles to read? Thanks.
 
OP, we don't SWIM in the bluelight pool. We (and the DEA) all know it's you injecting drugs. No big deal. really.

I am going to send this to the IV complications megathread (merged) where you will find tons of info. It is also linked to in my signature.

Check out the vein maps and tricks for getting them to come out (stay hydrated, exercise, a hot shower) and feel free to ask questions.

It is also much more dangerous to inject anywhere "below" your heart - if you stick to your arms/ hands/ etc... it will be easier and safer.
 
If your body doesn't want a drug it will force your veins to subside and hide. Even if your mind really wants to, it's purely up to your bodies want, also hydration.
 
As has been said.. Hydration is a big issue

Drink lots of water.

Moving around helps open the blood flow so maybe dnace around before injecting or run in place for a bit.

Other than that.. use a tournaquite im sure your already doing that though. And smack the IV locating a couple times with your backhand to help them pop up.

Also use rubbing alcohol on the site I beleive it brings em up a bit more.
 
Make sure you are plenty hydrated. Apply heat to the injection site for a good minute whether with a heat pad or warm rag. A shot or two of liquor will help the veins come out. Use a tourniquet properly.

I had sort of the same problem once. It was harder to hit myself after about a 3 month break. I had a few favorite spots and then I'm sure the scar tissue just got worse and my veins probably hardened in those areas. I just had to play around a bit until I turned to a pro again.
 
I have tried iv'ing numerous times and I just can't seem to get it right. I either miss the vein, or if I do hit it I have little or no results. Maybe I was just not meant to do it. I am shooting MS-Contin 30's and followed the instructions here on bluelight to a tee! Any suggestions to aid me in doing it? I'm not tying off, I don't know if that's part of the problem. And I'm using very small needles. Is that a problem?
 
I have tried iv'ing numerous times and I just can't seem to get it right. I either miss the vein, or if I do hit it I have little or no results. Maybe I was just not meant to do it. I am shooting MS-Contin 30's and followed the instructions here on bluelight to a tee! Any suggestions to aid me in doing it? I'm not tying off, I don't know if that's part of the problem. And I'm using very small needles. Is that a problem?

Are you holding extremely still? It takes a lot of technique to keep the needle still enough.

How're your veins? Presentable?
 
Quick question here. A good number of my friends believe that after missing a shot (ie. coke) that taking oral anti-biotics for a few days is a wise idea. The oral a-biotics being in addition to hot compress / topical triple anti-biotic on the injection site. They were asking me about the usefulness of this & I didn't really have a good answer for them. Would anyone here happen to know the benefits / cons of doing so? As it's slightly outside my knowledge area & I'd like to give them a proper answer.
Thanks for the info if anyone has any. :)
 
It's probably better to get your body to clear it on its own. I would only start AB's if it is warm and swelling after a day.
 
If you take antibiotics too often when you really have no infection or anything, you are getting your body accustomed to them and they will not work as good when you actual do have some bad infection that you need AB's for
 
Antibiotics are really helpful if one is on their death bed. Other than that I think it's a good idea to steer clear of them. Also aren't different antibiotics prescribed for different infections?
 
It's probably better to get your body to clear it on its own. I would only start AB's if it is warm and swelling after a day.

Yeah that's pretty much what I've been telling the people that asked me. Except I was going with 3 days.
Since posting I've done some more research & there's a few decent sources of info out there.

For example I found The Care and Treatment of Skin and Soft Tissue Infections among Injection Drug Users in the Community Setting to be of interest.

The site containing said document has a few other documents of interest. Some more technical & accurate than others.

This link on the same site has some info that may be of use to newer IV users.

Chicago Recovery Alliance’s Better Vein Care/Safer Injection Guide so I'll throw it out there as well.

Though I must note it mentions "cooking" & a few other misconceptions it does contain some accurate basic info.
In any case some of the info is harm reducing & as such it might be of benefit to some posters.

Regardless thanks for any responding posts. I figure it's always good to have more sources to backup the info you give others.
 
not sure if this is the right thread, but i was wondering, when shooting oxycodone why are you advised not to heat it in the spoon? is it just useless to do so or is it harmful?
 
Are you holding extremely still? It takes a lot of technique to keep the needle still enough.

How're your veins? Presentable?

I've tried holding really still but it is a problem for me. Plus my veins are not very presentable. Makes it that much harder. I've tried using the veins in my feet but I can't hold really still. Argh. This is tough.
 
Can't be too fundamental... You're holding the barrel of the syringe just in front of the cross-point with your middle finger and thumb, right? Your index finger should not hold the syringe or act as a stabilizer--it should only be used for jacking back the plunger to register, and then pushing the plunger down.
 
not sure if this is the right thread, but i was wondering, when shooting oxycodone why are you advised not to heat it in the spoon? is it just useless to do so or is it harmful?
Harmful.

You are getting all the nasty shit that is not water soluble into your shot. Oxycodone is water soluble...so that crap left behind is binders and fillers
 
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