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Injection; IV Complications and Information MEGATHREAD and FAQ II - show me the blood

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So we've decided to comprise a thread dedicated to Injecting, more specifically people who have had something go wrong and want some information and ask questions. Also included is some information about the injection process and complications that can arise as well as an array of other information to be added.

Intro to Injecting

Injecting drugs into the body gives a 100% Bio-availability, being the most efficient way of introducing and getting high from a drug. Though via the IV route the filtering and delaying mechanisms that protect us when otherwise absorbed via the gastro-intestinal tract, lungs or skin etc are bypassed.
It’s believed that injecting is associated with increased levels of drug dependence and increased risk to health form . A few examples
  • blood-borne viruses;
  • bacterial infections;
  • fungal infections;
  • damage to the circulatory system; and
  • increased likelihood of overdose.
  • Abscesses
  • Loss of limbs
  • Scarring
  • Loss of veins


Correct IV technique

Irreversible damage is likely to occur when there is
repeated use of the same injecting site;
poor technique;
injection with blunt needles;
injection with needles that are too large; and
injection of irritant substances.
poor hygeine involved



Some instructions to follow while shooting up

  • washing hands, and cleaning the injection site with soap and water, or an alcohol swab;
  • preparing drugs for personal use in your own space, and using equipment that has not been used by anyone else;
  • choosing the smallest possible bore and length needle for the site;
  • selecting a suitable vein, and introducing the needle by carefully sliding it under the skin, at a shallow angle and with the bevel up, and then into the vein;
  • injecting with the blood flow, i.e. towards the heart;
  • pulling back the plunger to identify that the needle is in a vein - a small amount of dark red venous blood should trickle into the syringe. If a tourniquet is used it should be loosened once you have drawn blood back into the syringe;
  • injecting slowly to reduce the likelihood of drugs leaking around the needle into the tissues surrounding the vein and damaging the vein;
  • injecting the hit in two halves with a short break (a few seconds) between will reduce the overdose risk;
  • not jacking back blood and ‘flushing’ after a shot - as this can significantly increase damage to the vein;
  • removing the needle slowly and carefully;
  • applying pressure to the site with a blood proof pad, cotton wool or tissue (bruising is caused by bleeding into the surrounding tissue. Immediate firm pressure will limit the amount of bruising caused); and
  • safely disposing of used injecting equipment, and whatever has been used to stop bleeding.

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Differences between arteries and vein
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General differences between arteries and veins have been summarised below (adapted from Aldridge & Cranfield 1993).


Arteries
  • carry blood away from the heart;
  • carry oxygen-rich blood
  • (except between the right side of the heart and the lungs);
  • hold bright red blood;
  • blood at high pressure;
  • bleed profusely - spurt blood;
  • served by many nerves;
  • thick walls;
  • very elastic/muscular;
  • no valves;
  • less numerous;
  • recognisable pulse; and
  • mostly deep.


Veins
  • carry blood towards the heart;
  • carry oxygen-depleted blood
  • (except between the lungs and the left side of the heart);
  • hold dark red blood;
  • blood at low pressure;
  • do not bleed profusely - ooze blood;
  • served by few nerves;
  • thin walls;
  • not elastic/muscular;
  • valves;
  • more numerous;
  • no pulse; and
  • deep and superficial.


Consequences of blocking arteries and veins

There is only one arterial route to each area of tissue in our bodies. If an artery is blocked for any length of time, all the tissue it supplies die.
Venous blood return tends to be more adaptable: veins form a complex network with many junctions. If a vein becomes blocked, blood can find its way through a smaller vessel further back down the system. It is when these smaller vessels become overloaded with blood that swelling occurs in the hands or feet.


Collateral circulation

When a vein becomes thrombosed or obstructed, blood can no longer flow through it to return to the heart. The blood will therefore take an alternative route, using other smaller blood vessels to get around the blockage.
This diversionary circulatory route is called ‘collateral circulation.’
When most of the veins have become obstructed, this process may result in the appearance of ‘new’ superficial veins on or near the skin surface. Injectors should be discouraged from attempting to use these veins, as they are likely to be small veins that have become engorged by the necessity for them to carry more blood.

They will therefore be under greater pressure than normal, so that injecting into them carries a greater risk of damage to the vein. The usual consequence of injecting into such veins is that within a few injections the vein becomes damaged and is no longer viable.
If the remaining veins are also damaged, then the return of venous blood from the affected limb is likely to be even more severely restricted. This will lead to slower blood flow out of the arm and lead to the limb becoming swollen and blue. The consequences of this are discussed below under ‘Long term consequences of substantial vein damage.’


Arterial injection

All drug injectors should be warned that they should never inject into a blood vessel in which they can feel a pulse.

Although most arterial injections are accidental, occasionally people attempt arterial injection deliberately. The practice of deliberate arterial injection should be strongly discouraged.
For those who hit an artery by mistake or otherwise, advice should be to:
  • immediately withdraw the needle - do not complete the injection;
  • put strong pressure on the site for at least 15 minutes;
  • raise the affected limb if possible; and
  • seek medical advice.

Arterial injection can sometimes cause weakening of the artery wall (pseudoaneurysm) or fungal infection of the artery wall (mycotic aneurysm). Both conditions can lead to life-threatening arterial bleeding.


Thrombosis

Blood clots form when there is turbulence in the flow. Damage to, or inflammation of, the lining of the vein (figure 8.1) can trigger clotting of the blood at the site of the damage (figure 8.2).
These clots stick to the lining of the vein, and are known as thromboses. The clots themselves cause turbulence and this, in turn, can cause further clotting (figure 8.3).
A blood clot inside a vein does the same things as a blood clot on the surface - it hardens and turns to scar tissue that shrinks and pulls the edges together (figure 8.4).
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It is this pulling together of the edges that makes veins ‘collapse.’
Veins that have collapsed in this way do not ‘unblock’ - the blood has to find another way back to the heart.


Vein blockage and collapse

Veins may become temporarily blocked if the internal lining of the vein swells in response to repeated injury or irritation. This may be caused by the needle, by the substance injected, or both. Once the swelling subsides the circulation will often become re-established.

Smaller veins may block as a consequence of too much suction being used when pulling back against the plunger of the syringe to check that the needle is in the vein. This will pull the sides of the vein together and (especially if they are inflamed) the sides of the vein may stick together, causing the vein to block. Removing the needle too quickly after injecting can have a similar effect.
Permanent vein collapse (Figure 8) occurs as a consequence of:
  • long-term injecting;
  • repeated injections, especially with blunt needles;
  • poor injecting technique; and
  • injecting of substances which irritate the veins.


Long-term consequences of substantial vein damage

When the flow of blood through the limbs has been severely affected, there are a number of problems that can arise. These include:
  • ulcers;
  • local infection; and
  • gangrene
.


Ulcers

One possible result of serious deterioration of circulation can be painful areas of broken skin known as ulcers.
Ulcers form when the skin is knocked or scratched (or injected into) and the surface is broken. The slow flow of blood means that the cells cannot reproduce quickly enough to heal the wound. The resulting moist and painful wound can take years to heal, and can be compounded by infection.

Factors affecting healing

* diet and nutrition;
* stress;
* poor accommodation; and
* drug and alcohol use.


Treatment of ulcers
Unless a NSP is specifically set up to provide primary health care to clients, the client should be referred to either their general practitioner or an A&E department for assessment and treatment.

Ulcers take many months to heal and may require frequent attendance for treatment. There are strong arguments for advocating that these and other health care needs will best be met within drug treatment and NSP services, because:
  • users of drug treatment agencies may not attend if referred to other agencies;
  • drug users may tend to believe health problems are to be expected and therefore do little about them; and
  • they are less likely to receive discriminatory treatment.


Local infections

As well as risks of systemic infections such as hepatitis and HIV, injecting carries the risk of introducing bacterial and fungal infections to the tissue surrounding the injection site.

Often local infections are caused by bacteria which live harmlessly on the skin being picked up by the needle and forced below the skin where they multiply.

The risks of local infection will be increased by:

  • sharing of needles and syringes, and injecting paraphernalia;
  • reuse of unsterile injecting equipment (including filters);
  • the use of non-pharmaceutical medication;
  • unhygienic preparation of drugs; and
  • poor personal hygiene.

Providing injectors with an understanding of the ways in which infection may be introduced is crucial. Ideally, they should be aware of the risks they may be exposed to and how to reduce them.


Local infections include abscesses, phlebitis, and cellulitis.



Abscesses

An infected abscess is a localised collection of pus that is encapsulated within inflamed tissue (Figure 9). It can be caused by a wide range of bacterial and fungal infections. An abscess is different from cellulitis in that it has a defined edge and shape.
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An abscess is characterised by:

* raised skin surface;
* localised heat;
* tenderness and pain;
* redness of the skin (in white people);
* pus formation; and
* a foul smell if it has begun to discharge.

People with abscesses should be referred for medical advice and treatment. The abscess will require antibiotic treatment and/or lancing to release the pus.

Injectors should be told never to try to lance or puncture abscesses themselves. This can spread infection and without appropriate antibiotic cover they can quickly develop septicaemia (blood poisoning). They should be encouraged to alternate injecting sites as this will lessen the risk of localised inflammation, infection and abscess formation.


Phlebitis
Phlebitis is irritation of the smooth inner lining of a vein (tunica intima). The roughening of the vein lining can encourage the formation of clots.

The vein is reddened or inflamed and can sometimes be felt as a thick cord beneath the skin.

Phlebitis can occur as a result of:

* injecting irritant substances (such as benzos, pills, etc.);
* poor injecting technique;
* infection; and
* accidental injury (i.e. knocks or blows).

An important complication of phlebitis is deep vein thrombosis (DVT) leading to pulmonary embolism.

If phlebitis is suspected the person should be referred for immediate medical advice. Treatment includes resting and raising the limb, antibiotics and anti-inflammatory drugs.


Cellulitis
Cellulitis refers to a painful spreading inflammation of the skin, which appears red and swollen with fluid (this is known as oedema).

Cellulitis can occur as a result of:

* irritant substances lodged in body tissues; and
* serious infection.

Where cellulitis is suspected the client should be referred for immediate medical advice. Treatment includes resting and raising the affected limb, and treatment with antibiotics and anti-inflammatory drugs.

Advice for people who have had cellulitis would include the following measures to prevent reinfection:

* using sterile injecting equipment;
* using sterile water where available and discussing alternatives where it is not;
* avoiding the injection of irritant or heavily adulterated drugs; and
* removing rings prior to injecting if injecting in the hands.



Gangrene

Gangrene is the death of body tissue caused by impaired or absent blood supply. Gangrene can occur as a result of arterial or serious venous damage.

The effect of gangrene can be disastrous, leading to loss of limbs. It can also cause the products of tissue breakdown to enter the bloodstream causing blood poisoning and threatening life.



Arterial damage


Gangrene as a result of arterial damage occurs when an artery is injected into instead of a vein. Often this is as a result of injecting irritant drugs (such as benzos, pills, etc.) into the femoral artery rather than the femoral vein. However, it can occur when people inject into the smaller arteries in the arm.

Gangrene as a result of injecting into an artery can occur in the following ways:

* the artery can go into spasm and interrupt the supply of oxygenated blood to the tissues;
* the injected substance can block the artery,
* interrupting the blood supply to the tissues; and
* small particles of the injected substance
* (micro-emboli) can be transported into and block the capillaries in the tissue - causing their breakdown.



Venous damage
Gangrene following venous damage may be slower to develop, and results when damage to the veins is such that the return of venous blood from the affected limb is no longer adequate; blood gets into the tissues at a faster rate than it can get out. In the end the reduced flow of blood through the tissues is inadequate to sustain them and they die.

Signs and symptoms

* pain;
* loss of feeling and control in an area of skin;
* swelling and dicolouration of affected limb;
* affected extremities, i.e. fingers or toes;
* affected tissue initially becoming white;
* affected tissue eventually blackening; and
* if untreated, affected tissues dropping off.



Prevention and treatment
Injecting drug users need to be given advice on the following subjects to enable them to prevent gangrene occurring:

* the dangers of arterial injection;
* the signs and symptoms of injecting into arteries;
* first aid treatment following accidental arterial injection; and
* discourage injection of crushed tablets and gel-tabs, especially Temazepam tablets,
Temazepam Gelthix capsules, and Diconal.

In the event of symptoms of gangrene occurring, injectors must be aware that:

* this is a serious complication that will not go away unless they get medical help; and
* they must get urgent medical treatment - if the onset is sudden they should call an ambulance.



Other injection site problems

‘Missed hits’
‘Missed hit’ is a phrase used to describe swelling which appears around an injection site during or immediately after injection. It may be caused by fluid entering the tissue surrounding the vein because the needle has:

* not entered the vein properly;
* entered the vein and slipped out again;
* entered the vein and gone through the opposite wall; and
* entered the vein correctly but excess pressure caused the vein to split.

These problems can be prevented by encouraging injectors to:

* check that the needle is in a vein by gently pulling back on the plunger to see that venous blood enters the syringe;
* always releasing the tourniquet before injecting;
* maintain a steady hand whilst injecting;
* smoke a small amount of heroin before injecting, when in opiate withdrawal (if possible);
* use the smallest possible needle and syringe barrel;
* inject at the correct angle (i.e. in line with the vein); and
* inject the fluid slowly.

A ‘missed hit’ will mean that the drug is absorbed much more slowly by the body, so that the effect will be less pronounced. It can also lead to other problems such as abscesses, cellulitis, and cutaneous foreign body granulomas.



‘Lumps and bumps’
Many injectors have various ‘lumps and bumps’ under their skin, and these often cause anxiety.

The vast majority are not serious, and are caused by the mechanisms outlined below. Checking the history of that site for causes such as:

* previous abcesses;
* frequently used veins that have now collapsed;
* previous misses; and
* history of tablet injecting

will give strong indicators of the cause.

However, clients should be advised that if they are worried, or if the lump/bump ever changes (size, colour, mobility) they should seek medical advice.



Scar tissue
The scar tissue filling collapsed veins can remain visible, and feel like there is a ‘bit of string’ under the skin, for many years. Sometimes, there can be hard ‘knots’ under the surface of the skin, at the points where there were valves.

As with scar tissue from injuries we suffered as children that persists into adulthood, so scar tissue below the skin surface caused by injecting injuries can remain as a lifelong reminder.

Old abscesses can also leave lumps of scar tissue that remain for many years. When clients mention a lump under their skin the first question to ask is ‘have you ever had an abcess at that site?’

Very often the answer will be yes, and you can reassure them that the probable cause is scar tissue that filled the infected capsule when the abscess healed.


BLUNT/REUSED NEEDLES PICTURE

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Sterile abscess
A sterile abscess occurs as a result of injecting irritant substances such as crushed tablets and possibly as a consequence of a ‘missed hit.’

It will often disperse without treatment but, over time, a granuloma may form around it.



Cutaneous foreign body granuloma
Granulomas are benign growths of scar tissue that are associated primarily with subcutaneous injecting or ‘missed hits,’ where the solution has by accident or design ended up in the surrounding tissue. In such cases a residue may stay for many years, eventually leading to granuloma formation.

Many of the common cutting agents for injectable drugs, such as quinine, mannitol, dextrose and lactose, are not thought to cause foreign body granulomas. However the injection of crushed tablets will increase the risk. The principle filler of the tablet is often hydrogenous magnesium silicate, frequently referred to as ‘chalk’ by users.

It should be noted that ‘successful’ intravenous injection of crushed tablets does not remove the risk of granuloma formation. It simply changes the place that they may be found, to the lungs.


Injecting myths

Strokes from air bubbles

There is a generalised belief amongst injectors and the general population that injecting air is ‘not a good thing.’ Whilst this is true, it tends to be somewhat overstressed in terms of importance when priorities for injecting drug users are being considered. It is possible to observe some injectors taking little or no care about hygiene or cross-infection risks whilst injecting, but exhibiting infinite patience when expelling the minutest of air bubbles from a syringe.

Compared to the size of an air bubble, it takes a gigantic volume of air to cause circulatory problems (the blood would froth in the chambers of the heart). Although it is desirable not to introduce air into the veins, even a few 1 ml syringes completely full of air would be unlikely to cause any problems.

Carefully removing tiny air bubbles from a syringe can be seen as evidence that injectors are concerned about their health and are prepared to act to preserve it. Some injectors simply need more information about more important priorities such as hygiene.



Having a second hit to ‘sort out’ a bad one

Some injectors have expressed a belief that the best way to deal with a ‘dirty hit’ (an acute reaction to injection, characterised by shivering and sweating that is usually self-limiting) is to inject again.

Whatever the cause of the reaction, repeating the procedure could at best make the experience worse, and at worst cause overdose.


Common practices that damage veins

Licking the needle tip

It is not uncommon for injectors to lick the tip of the needle before injecting. While it is understandable that people would want to avoid loss of any of their drug, and on seeing a small drop run down the needle want to lick it this practice will add large numbers of bacteria to the needle, and greatly increase the risk of infections (especially fungal infections such as thrush). The dose of drug in the droplet that is ‘saved’ will be tiny, and as heroin is not effective orally it will make no discernable difference to the ‘hit.’


Licking the injection site

Again, this behaviour is not that uncommon and may be part of an attempt to ‘clean’ the injecting site prior to injection. This should be discouraged as it will increase the risk of infections, as discussed above.

Injectors should be encouraged to include stopping the bleeding with a disposable pad or tissue, and both hand and injection site washing with soap and water to their post-injection routine.


‘Flushing’

‘Flushing,’ ‘booting,’ and ‘kicking’ are terms which refer to drawing blood back into the syringe after the drug solution has been injected, in an attempt to ensure that no drugs are wasted by being left in the hub of the syringe.

As a small amount of the drug solution will be retained in the hub of the syringe (how much depends on the type of needle and syringe being used), it makes sense in terms of maximising the amount of drug getting into the body to do this.

However, the small benefit of this must be weighed against the extra damage that will be done to the vein and the fact that this practice will ensure that the injecting equipment used is heavily contaminated with blood. This makes the transmission of blood-borne viruses much more likely if the equipment is re-used by another person.

Some users claim that the process of booting or flushing intensifies the rush, so that they get more pleasure from injecting by doing it (and accordingly do it several times). There is no pharmacological basis for this belief, and they are likely to greatly increase the amount of local irritation caused by injecting if they flush repeatedly - thus shortening the ‘injecting life’ of the vein.


Alternatives to injecting

Smoking or ‘chasing’

The smoking of commonly injected drugs clearly offers lower risks than injecting, both in terms of viral transmission and risk of overdose.

When compared with injecting, smoking commonly injected drugs will offer:

* no risk of viral transmission;
* a lower risk of overdose;
* lower health risks;
* an alternative for those who are finding venous access difficult; and
* an alternative route of administration whilst injection sites are allowed to rest.

There is a potential value in using carefully thought-through campaigns promoting the smoking of commonly injected drugs.


Snorting

Snorting drugs is usually safer than injecting them in terms of the relative danger of transmission of blood-borne viruses. Viral transmission can occur if straws, etc. are used by two or more people.

As with injecting, it is best for each user to have separate equipment for the snorting of drugs. Prolonged frequent snorting of drugs (especially cocaine) can lead to damage to the mucous membranes in the nose and cause, or exacerbate, sinus problems.


Swallowing

Of the commonly injected drugs, swallowing is most effective for amphetamines, which are often taken in this way, either by mixing the drug in a drink or by ‘bombing’ (wrapping it in a cigarette paper to reduce the unpleasant taste).

If an injector is contemplating using a ‘risky’ substance (eg. what is left on a spoon after filtering), swallowing usually represents the safest way of getting it into the body.

For those using benzodiazepines by injection - often as crushed tablets - taking them by mouth is by far the safer alternative and the effect, although slower to ‘come on,’ will ultimately be much the same.

If heroin is swallowed it gets converted to morphine in the stomach and as a result it becomes roughly half the strength. This fact, coupled with the slow absorption into the blood stream, means that it is unlikely to be thought a viable alternative to sniffing or ‘shafting’ by drug users.



Rectal administration: ‘shafting’, 'plugging', 'topshelving'

The functions of the rectum are to store faeces and reabsorb fluid in order to prevent dehydration. It has an excellent supply of blood in order to carry out this function, and this means that any fluid introduced to the rectum is quickly absorbed.

There may be some cultural resistance to this route of administration from injectors as this is an unusual route of drug administration, although some medications are given as suppositories which use the same absorption process.

It can provide for very rapid uptake of the drug (almost as fast as injecting), although not everyone finds this to be the case. In some opiate users the cause of this may be constipation and absorption of the drug by faeces.

The method is simple: the needle is removed from the syringe (essential!), then the tip of the syringe is inserted into the rectum, and the plunger depressed.

It can be suggested as a route of last resort in the event of not being able to find anywhere to inject which is much better than just sticking the needle in anywhere and injecting into the muscle.

It can also give injectors the ritual of drug preparation without the delay of fruitless attempts to find a vein, and slow absorption when they miss.

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Compartment Syndrome
Compartment syndrome is an acute medical problem following injury, surgery or in most cases repetitive and extensive muscle use, in which increased pressure (usually caused by inflammation) within a confined space in the body impairs blood supply. Without prompt surgical treatment, it may lead to nerve damage and muscle death.

Symptoms
* Pain is often reported early and almost universally. The description is usually of severe, deep, constant, and poorly localized and is sometimes described as out of proportion with the injury. The pain is aggravated by stretching the muscle group within the compartment and is not relieved by analgesia up to and including morphine

* Paresthesia (alterated sensation e.g. "pins & needles") in the cutaneous nerves of the affected compartment is another typical sign.

* Paralysis of the limb is usually a late finding. The compartment may feel very tense and firm as well (pressure). In some cases, some find that their feet and even legs fall asleep. This is because compartment syndrome prevents adequate blood flow to the rest of the leg.

* Note that a lack of pulse rarely occurs in patients, as pressures that cause compartment syndrome are often well below arterial pressures and pulse is only affected if the relevant artery is contained within the affected compartment.

* Tense and swollen shiny skin


Treatment
Acute compartment syndrome is a medical emergency requiring immediate surgical treatment known as a fasciotomy to allow the pressure to return to normal.

Subacute compartment syndrome, while not quite as much of an emergency, usually requires urgent surgical treatment similar to acute compartment syndrome.

Source


Endocarditis
Endocarditis is an inflammation of the inner layer of the heart, the endocardium. It usually involves the heart valves (native or prosthetic valves). Other structures which may be involved include the interventricular septum, the chordae tendinae, the mural endocardium, or even on intracardiac devices. Endocarditis is characterized by a prototypic lesion, the vegetation, which is a mass of platelets, fibrin, microcolonies of microorganisms, and scant inflammatory cells. In the subacute form of infective endocarditis, the vegetation may also include a center of granulomatous tissue, which may fibrose or calcify.

There are multiple ways to classify endocarditis. The simplest classification is based on etiology: either infective or non-infective, depending on whether a microorganism is the source of the inflammation.

Injection drug users typically experience right-side infective endocarditis.

Endocarditis can also be classified by the side of the heart affected:

* Patients who inject narcotics intravenously may introduce infection which will travel to the right side of the heart classically affecting the tricuspid valve, and most often caused by S. aureus.
* In other patients without a history of intravenous exposure, endocarditis is more frequently left-sided.

Symptoms
Among patients who do use illicit drugs and have a fever in the emergency room, there is about a 10% to 15% prevalence of endocarditis. This estimate is not substantially changed by whether the doctor believes the patient has a trivial explanation for their fever. Weisse found that 13% of 121 patients had endocarditis. Marantz also found a prevalence of endocarditis of 13% among such patients in the emergency room with fever. Samet found a 6% incidence among 283 such patients, but after excluding patients with initially apparent major illness to explain the fever (including 11 cases of manifest endocarditis), there was a 7% prevalence of endocarditis.

Treatment
Treatment usually involves iv antibiotics based on the microorganism involved, and/or surgical treatment.

Source
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poking around for a good vein - dangers

It usually takes me 5-10 stabs before i get into a vein, some suck up very minor specs of blood, others just tons of air. i take it out remove the air and poke again. What are the damanges I am causing. My biggest worry is Hep C. I am not fully aware how you get Hep c, but one way i know for sure is old blood. how old is old? if it takes me a minute or two from my first poke to find a good one, am i infecting myself?:\
 
It usually takes me 5-10 stabs before i get into a vein, some suck up very minor specs of blood, others just tons of air. i take it out remove the air and poke again. What are the damanges I am causing. My biggest worry is Hep C. I am not fully aware how you get Hep c, but one way i know for sure is old blood. how old is old? if it takes me a minute or two from my first poke to find a good one, am i infecting myself?:\

Are you serious about the hep c thing? I can't tell if you're trolling- can you infect yourself, seriously? You need to be sharing needles or blood in some other way from another infected person to catch it...

As far as you first question, you are fucking up your arms be repeatedly stabbing yourself with the same needle. A needle should only puncture the skin once then tossed and a fresh one should be used. The only time to ever insert it more than once is in the rare case an experienced person misses and just stabs again instead of getting a new rig which I wouldn't repeat more than 2-3 times before getting a new needle. That is still risking damage to your veins since needles get bent and hooked pretty severely after several uses. After 5-10 like you are saying that thing is definitely hooked and nasty and tearing up your skin and veins, someone else can post the needle picture.

Why is it so hard for you to find a vein? it sounds like you are just inexperienced and need to learn proper Iv technique.
 
^To echo what he said, micron filtering and proper IV technique is what you should be worried about. Here is a version of the image he was referring to (click the NSFW tag)... This is a close-up of a standard diabetic needle tip before use, and then after one and two uses:

NSFW:
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Check out our IV technique thread for more information. Please be careful!
 
def read the above mentioned IV technique thread...
here is where I perfected my technique
http://www.harmreduction.org/section.php?id=66

you will see that the link I posted has sub links to things that you need to know about like hep-c.also
using a new needle EVERY TIME is imperative.
heat brings veins to the surface.don't just swab your site,wash with soap and water before.take vitamins that increase circulation and be sure to rotate your injection site.If you have shy veins that refuse to surface don't go for artery IV-it is dangerous,esp for new IV users.If all else fails,plug your drugs,it is the next best thing.

being clean and sterile as well as informed and safe are prerequisites to proper IV use.If you want I can show you an abscess of mine that I tried to lance and I got MRSA staph infection-which earned me 10 consecutive days in a wound clinic where black dead flesh was cut from my forearm where I had shot up with a rig that had been used 20+ times.take a look at the pics above again.If you are missing your mark by 3 times max you need to switch to a NEW SYRINGE.
You cannot PM me yet to ask questions but I will check in this thread regularly.
and if you have not successfully shot up-DON'T...the needle is an addiction of a different kind.

be safe and stay safe...read,read,read.educate yourself bc it may save your life.

much peace and love.......skillz
 
Oh wow, a better version of the picture is right there in the first post of this thread! ...I can't believe I didn't realize that.
 
I injected into my foot (oxycontin) and now it fucking hurts soo much. There's no redness around the injection site, just a general swelling of the ankel where i injected. It minimally hurt all day, nothing bad. Just like, oh maybe a slight miss. But then i went out walking. Now the top of my ankle hurts so much i think I'm going to scream.
 
Update: My foot is still sore, but it isn't throbbing to the point where i want to cut it off. It just hurts if i walk on it the wrong way. Still no noticeable bruising or bumps.
 
^Yeah man, injecting into legs and feet should be avoided!
 
I just don't know why i received this reaction? I was literally in excruciating pain for 5 hours. To the point where I was in tears.
 
Feet are bad places to inject for a number of reasons. Your feet tend to harbor more bacteria and fungus than other parts of your body, and these can easily get into your system and cause various infections.

Also the circulation in your feet isn't as good as other parts of your body, and as a result the veins a thinner and more flimsy. This makes it easy to slip through / out while injecting, or to have some of the gear leak out of your vein immediately after pulling out, sometimes causing localised pain / swelling.

A localised infection will usually get worse over a period of time with the most common symptoms being some combination of redness, pain, swelling and / or localised heat.

There's no way to know exactly why your ankle hurt like it did, but it could be either of the above scenarios. Watch it for any changes in the next 24 hours.
 
Oh wow, a better version of the picture is right there in the first post of this thread! ...I can't believe I didn't realize that.

Actually I like your picture better. It clearly shows the difference between, 0, 1, and 2 punctures of a needle. The *other* picture shows, 0, 1, and 6 punctures of a needle.

BTW - I had to edit in the picture too, so when you posted your picture, it might not have been up. So if you didn't "notice" it, then maybe I hadn't posted it yet. It's all good.

I just don't know why i received this reaction? I was literally in excruciating pain for 5 hours. To the point where I was in tears.

Weird, I have no experience with IVing in my feet at all. However if you did miss any of your shot, or whatever, it's harder for your body to correct this problem, seeing as your feet are the furthest away from your heart (whereas your arms and legs are closer).

I wouldn't repeat what you did, because as short lived as IV OC is, I wouldn't put myself in 5 hours of pain for a 1-2 hour high at the max. However I have a good feeling you wouldn't repeat it either.

Did it burn/sting when it was going in?
 
is it normal for your injection spot to become sore afterwards?
like.. i IVed my morning dose of suboxone into the crook of my arm and i know i was in the vein i pulled back and registered and didnt inject too fast but its kinda sore when i extend my arm all the way out.. is this normal?

Edit: its not a lot of pain at all.. i can just feel a soreness when i stretch out my arm.
 
is it normal for your injection spot to become sore afterwards?
like.. i IVed my morning dose of suboxone into the crook of my arm and i know i was in the vein i pulled back and registered and didnt inject to fast but its kinda sore when i extend my arm all the way out.. is this normal?

It happens sometimes. My injection sites no longer become sore but I have started to micron filter. If I missed even 5% or less of the shot, it would be sore.

Then again there might be a few other reasons for your soreness, such as hitting a nerve, puncturing through the other side of the vein, or you pulled the needle out rather quickly after you were done injecting.

These could have rendered *some* of the liquid leaking out, which would explain mild soreness when you extend your arm fully.

Either way, I would micron filter Suboxone (I haven't had soreness from a shot since starting micron filtering), or possibly use a smaller gauge needle.

What do you think?
 
It happens sometimes. My injection sites no longer become sore but I have started to micron filter. If I missed even 5% or less of the shot, it would be sore.

Then again there might be a few other reasons for your soreness, such as hitting a nerve, puncturing through the other side of the vein, or you pulled the needle out rather quickly after you were done injecting.

These could have rendered *some* of the liquid leaking out, which would explain mild soreness when you extend your arm fully.

Either way, I would micron filter Suboxone (I haven't had soreness from a shot since starting micron filtering), or possibly use a smaller gauge needle.

What do you think?

i might have pulled it out to fast cuz when i pulled it out a little blood squirted out until i covered it with a tissue and applied pressure.. and i think ill invest in some micron filters but i dont have anything to store the solution in when im done and i dont have bacteriostatic (sp?) water. the needle gauge is 28 btw.


EDIT: im at gpzservices.com now ordering stuff that ill need.
 
i might have pulled it out to fast cuz when i pulled it out a little blood squirted out until i covered it with a tissue and applied pressure.. and i think ill invest in some micron filters but i dont have anything to store the solution in when im done and i dont have bacteriostatic (sp?) water. the needle gauge is 28 btw.


EDIT: im at gpzservices.com now ordering stuff that ill need.

Sounds good.

28G is a little large for me. Whenever I use a gauge larger than 31g I have to hold it in place after the shot's done, otherwise blood spurts out too quickly.

I can't be 100% sure of what happened but I have a feeling that had something to do with it.

You can put the solution into insulin syringes then re-cap them for storage but I don't know how relatively safe this is.

If it's any consolation, I would leave sterile water (the kind I got from the exchange, non-bacteriostatic kind) in syringes for mixing up shots later, for up to 2-4 days...plus I now store my pre-made solution in 1CC syringes and that lasts me at least a whole day.

So if it came down to it, pre-storing them in insulin syringes *might* work, I just don't want to tell you something and have it not be safe or whatever.
 
Well I have just fucked up BIG TIME.

Just got back from hospital (in for 4 days) - had to have a 1 1/2'' long needle removed from my groin. The fucking thing snapped off right at the end (the entire needle was completely submerged
in my groin).

The surgeons said I was lucky as fuck, as when they removed it it was missing my artery by just a couple millimeters.

Thats it for me, I'm throwing in the towel.

The hospital have me stable on 70mg methadone. I feel SO MUCH better than when I was on subutex. I have no physical WD and no mental cravings. Going to make a real go of it this time - I don't want to die. I've just been given a script from my GP for a regular methadone supply.

So just a word of warning folks - the needle I used had been used just once before, and it still snapped!
 
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