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Higher purity crystal methamphetine

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^ Any idea on the synth route most NZ makers were using for methamphetamine production? Has the recent move to make pseudoephedrine prescription only over there affected the quality to any extent?
 
Also curious, does NZ have low purity meth sold as speed/goey/gas/base etc? The only meth I hear about from kiwi's is ice (or 'P' as they call it).
 
Got a new meth connection, point smoked keeps me up for 3 days. It's stupidly potent, strongest ive had since it first hit Australia i reckon. Burns clear as the glass its sitting on.
 
DavisK4high247 said:
I'm in the United Sates and have used meth since 1995, at first we had powder meth only here locally produced and of high purity, but made in small batches of 30-90 grams per batch, this meth was 90-95% avg from the cook, and not from a middle man, or delaer who cuts it and then sells it, but know crystal meth from Mexico is the dominate type availalbe, and I have smoked both powder(crank) and crystal on foil when it was late and no store were open nearby to go and buy a glass stem or pipe.. In the US, in most places, gas stations/convience stores sell both straight glass tubes and glass pipe with a rounded end with a hole already in the round end , all as noveltys as they have a fake platic flower stem and fake flower bloom in both types of glass,but I prefer hand blown pipes ,glass is defintely the best ,most effiecent way to smoke crystal, and most of us clean our pipes and have a good smoking teqnique, the documentarys, and so on, are usually the people who are using so much crystal they smoke it and end up wasting it...lol.

.I do not know if Australia has stores of numerous types that sell glass pipes as noveltys like here, but in the US, most people throw out a glass pipe rather than clean it, as they are so easy to obtain, even hand blown glass pipes are easy to get and make, 1/2 the people I know that smoke crystal end up being awake for a few days or more and start to make hand blow glass meth pipes for something to do, also glass meth bongs as well...some people still prefer foil, which I am very good at smoking crystal off of foil and wasting almost none, except that glass pipes have all the meth residue that accumulates in the stem which can later be smoked, where as foil does not, unless you use a glass tube as a "tooter" instead of a straw or hollowe dout ink pen!! lol.smoking off of foil is an art, as is smoking out of glass, you can tell when a person has not being smoking crystal very long or smoking out of a glas pipe by the clumsy way they do it, often scorching the meth with too much heat...lol..this is something that pisses all of us that have the proper technique down, and usually someone will be told to smoke it this way, and be made to watch someone else smoke it properly or someone will even light and vaporize the meth for them, they just have to inhale the meth..lol..

meth is so very cheap here though, many people smoke it and waste a good deal, becasue most people tend to buy at least 1 gram or more at a time, most people like me buy an 8-ball of 3.5 grams or a 1/4 ounce of crystal(7 grams) and so it is common for some people to put a gram in a pipe and smoke it with a group,and so on..I have seen a meth maker put 3-4 grams of crank(powdered meth) on a piece of extra heavy duty foil and it would go around the room for hours..lol.this one guy would have rocks the size of a 1/4 gram or more fall of the foil or off the thing he was using to put the meth from the bag of dope onto the foil..lol..we would go the next morning and pick up rocks of meth and crystal also and end up with several grams of meth to use or sell..lol..it must suck to have such high prices for drugs as you do in Australia!
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you guys get it good i wish Australia had a Mexico :p
 
its tricky to get pseudoephedrine even as prescription now in NZ and always requires ID, but the gangs are bringing it in by the tonnes so blackmarket stuff aint too tricky to get ahold of. i havent had it from nz in a while, but from mates saying, i dont believe the quality has been compromised. i mean, dont get my wrong, there is alot of stomped on stuff, but there still is quality around.
nz also does sell general speed also, but i never got any decent stuff, infact the last lot was like it was cut with sugar.
maybe someone in nz could give better info, as i havent been a resident for quite some years now, only go back every now and then.
 
We all know Meth is potentially very addictive and can cause a lot of issues with your state of mind (I guess this is what happens when you stay up for 5+ days), but the tv ad's you see on youtube (us based) and all of the scare propaganda we see seems to suggest In 6 months I'll have no teeth, no job and stealing to feed the addiction.

I am guessing the sores/teeth falling out/insanity comes from staying up a week or more and not taking care of yourself (not brushing your teeth, believing there is bugs under your skin because you are slowly getting paranoid due to lack of sleep and exhaustion) - Do you all find this to be the case? I have friends who take gear recreationally on the weekends (not necessarily every weekend) and hold down jobs, have a good social life and no symptoms that the media would have you believe will happen to anyone who tries meth 'even just once'.

I bought a point over a month ago, took about 20mg trying to smoke it with a shitty light bulb that i didn't make very well, and another 30mg taken orally in a capsule. I quite enjoyed the ability to stay up and felt like I had accomplished more during my weekends (I'm a heavy sleeper, most weekends you'll see me sleep from midnight until 4pm the next day).

The next day I brought around 40-50mg (whatever was left) into town with me, and hit some pubs/clubs, eventually going back to a mates hotel, licked the bag clean and we parted ways as they had to go to sleep. I caught up with another mate at a club and ended up having one of the best times dancing and enjoying myself, Usually I feel out of place and don't really have that good of a time when I hit town. I always made sure I had a bottle of water in my back pocket as to ensure I wouldn't get dehydrated. I found since i took the meth at 10PM~, around 3-4 I was slowly coming down and getting less energetic, I happily still stayed out until 7.30am though, 40-50mg does wonders (at-least orally)

Now.... 40~ days pass and I decide I'm going to get some more, so i obtain 2 points on friday night, proceeded to smoke about 40-60mg that night and happily did my thing, relaxing at home and enjoying the energy. The next day I obtained some MDMA, took 2 pills and had a great 4~ hours. Being quite late I decided I'd take some gear when I started feeling a little tired (2-3 hours after the mdma wore off) - So I smoked around 50mg throughout the night and snorted whatever was left on the scoop (maybe 10mg over the night).

So here I am, researching harm reduction when taking it, and coming across these stupid meth ads and sites that insist I'll become a druggie and start stealing and selling my body to get meth, Quite simply I do believe It's somewhat a load of bullshit. I've never really had any issues with addiction, Happily taking large codeine cwe's (350-450mg) and endones with no addiction issues. I believe it's when you start doing recreational drugs on week days or even worse, during business hours is when you'll get hooked.

How are all you other guys, do you feel the same way as I do? I believe responsible use of any substance is the key, if you are going to take it. Heavy abuse is what gets you into trouble.

Also, Sorry for this poorly constructed rant, I'm hoping you guys can set me straight.

PS: Since friday I've had about 8-10 hours sleep, and doing just fine. 3-4~ hours off the pipe and I'm able to sleep If tired, after waking up I've even still got somewhat dialated pupils and can feel some effects still (slight shaky hands, slight euphoria although unsure if it's my imagination)

TLDR: Is meth as bad as it is made out to be (sores, insanity, stealing), If you limit use to weekends only, and no more than 200mg in 2-3 days?
 
^ If you control your use then meth is not such a bad thing; not the hell drug that it is made out to be. Of course people do becoming addicted to it and addiction can sneak up on you, something you might not even realize until it's too late.

There is evidence that methamphetamine is neurotoxic so it's not exactly healthy but then again neither is alcohol.
 
Yeah, these were my thoughts on it too. Obviously taking any foreign substance is not the best of ideas especially if it's considered neurotoxic.

I've recently adopted the 'don't knock it 'till you've tried it' strategy on judging people and users of substances, It's easy to sit there and judge someone for taking meth, heroin, marijuana, whatever your DoC may be, quite often you'll see people judge others for their substance use, and then they go back and drink their nightly few glasses of alcohol or smoke their pack-a-day of cigarettes without realizing how hypocritical they are.

I guess it's the same way I could cap up some meth, put it in a panadeine packet and eat it in public with no one batting an eyelid, but bust out the crack pipe or rack up a line and you'll be judged. Perception is Key.

I'll have to keep an eye on my use, obviously being australia it's not the cheapest to buy, so i can't see myself getting to the point of being addicted any time soon. But it can sneak up on you as you said. :)
 
^ Yeah we seem to be the worst for prices for everything. And it's a good thing to be non-judgmental, it's a quality that a lot of people are lacking.
 
Some people can keep meth recreational, it's definitely possible. Most (if not all) addicts though, did go through a phase like you've described Stato. It's so hard to convey just how insidious meth addiction is. I think I thought that I could avoid addiction because there'd be these big choices which I'd obviously know were bad; direct crossroads so to speak, where one path was the healthy choice and the other led to addiction. But in reality it's not that obvious at all. On their own, each decision I made was fairly insignificant, but added all together they led to a habit. Addiction wasn't a line I crossed, but a path I drifted down.

For instance, it's easy to say you'll never use on weekdays, but then after a big weekend you find you have a little bit left on Monday morning and you think, it's not enough to get me properly high next weekend, and I already feel a bit tired from the weekend, so why not have a little boost before work. And on it goes.
 
^ The reaction is probably a multiple CNS depression interaction. So it will possibly add to the CNS depression of the codeine, though you aren't taking that much codeine to begin with so I wouldn't worry too much.
 
Mexico has the worst quality drugs ever once in America if thats what ur referring to. Cheap as chips but crap. Atleast the chinnese stuff is good but then again it prob gets stepped on a number of times, Id still choose that than getting sum home made backyard speed.
 
Sustanon said:
Mexico has the worst quality drugs ever once in America if thats what ur referring to. Cheap as chips but crap. Atleast the chinnese stuff is good but then again it prob gets stepped on a number of times, Id still choose that than getting sum home made backyard speed.
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I'm sure there's a fair amount of low quality stuff in general but I thought that it was mainly high quality meth coming from mexico. You'd think the superlabs would be making the majority and their interests would be to get it across as pure as possible, so they don't have to worry about smuggling in cuts or impurities. I think it just mainly depends where it goes after coming in, and how many people step on it down the supply line, which is exactly what you said. Definitely not an expert on this stuff though. There also seems to be more supply and competition than here, so cheaper prices and maybe an incentive to sell higher quality stuff? If the purity is a fair way less than 50% (like it is here) there's not much incentive for people to sell it very pure. *shrug*

Makes sense that we get a fair bit of stuff from asia (I wouldn't know personally) but its a fair distance for it to come, we don't have as much goods coming in by boat compared to the US, and our customs seem to be pretty good. Sharing a huge border with a country that has the producing power of mexico is a whole nother kettle of fish, but I don't think anyone is denying that.

Just from a quick scan of reports - US meth purity average: 70%, Street purity per gram: 35% -

Can't remember where I got the Australian info from, but I remember it being around 20%, which included larger seisures and street deals together.

I realize it depends who you know but I find this kind of thing interesting ;)

World Drug Report 2010 By United Nations Chapter 1.4 - http://www.unodc.org/documents/wdr/WDR_2010/1.4_The_global_ATS_market.pdf
 
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There's also at least a couple more cuts going around with a very similar chemical structure to isop, but none of which are as bad as imo.
 
if u read a few posts up, Mexico is mentioned ^^

they have super super labs in mexico and floods the market with cheap high grade stuff yo. which is why a point here buys a gram there.

becareful stato. starting to smoke meth on your own is the verry first steps to become a meth addiction ^^
i my self is on the long long road of recovering from a meth addiction.
 
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